In reply to Post #13
So how does 25kg become 50kg? simple answer without maths just common sense is the water content you've added if that's all you've added, what you've got is 50kg in weight not 50kg in actual maize which is my point the water has to account for the extra weight, the maize kernels might expand/enlarge but their doing that by taking on water it is still just water not maize.
I agree math is for the elite but common sense is for the stupid.
So how does 25kg become 50kg? simple answer without maths just common sense is the water content you've added if that's all you've added, what you've got is 50kg in weight not 50kg in actual maize which is my point the water has to account for the extra weight, the maize kernels might expand/enlarge but their doing that by taking on water it is still just water not maize.
I agree math is for the elite but common sense is for the stupid.
Factor in gas costs or electric costs for cooking
Even Time to do it etc
Bet it will actually cost more to prep it yourself than buy it nowadays.
Even Time to do it etc
Bet it will actually cost more to prep it yourself than buy it nowadays.
Buying Frozen bags of sweetcorn is cheaper than tins if you have the freezer space, last time i looked Asda were cheaper than Aldi.
In reply to Post #16
So how many kilos of sweetcorn do you get if you dry out a 2 kg tin ?
So how many kilos of sweetcorn do you get if you dry out a 2 kg tin ?
In reply to Post #17
So how does a business, with all the associated running costs, do it at the price they do?
I agree there is a bit of economy of scale, but there's no way buying prepared will be cheaper
So how does a business, with all the associated running costs, do it at the price they do?
I agree there is a bit of economy of scale, but there's no way buying prepared will be cheaper
In reply to Post #20
Agreed.
I buy a 25kg sack of pigeon mix for £13, a calor gas bottle (small one) is roughly around £30 to refill and it'll last a couple of sacks worth if not longer. Camping burner was £10 and a big stock pot was £12 but these items last years so cost is irrelevant really on those.
Half the gas costs (at a minimum) and you're looking at around 56p per kilo (using the dry:wet ratio of 1:2, so a 25kg sack produces 50kg prepared) throw in the cost of freezer bags and you're probably at 60p/kilo. But you know it's fresh and prepared how you want it.
In regards to time, well I have mine on the patio cooking up whilst working from home or in the evening, stir it a few times and it's fine.
Agreed.
I buy a 25kg sack of pigeon mix for £13, a calor gas bottle (small one) is roughly around £30 to refill and it'll last a couple of sacks worth if not longer. Camping burner was £10 and a big stock pot was £12 but these items last years so cost is irrelevant really on those.
Half the gas costs (at a minimum) and you're looking at around 56p per kilo (using the dry:wet ratio of 1:2, so a 25kg sack produces 50kg prepared) throw in the cost of freezer bags and you're probably at 60p/kilo. But you know it's fresh and prepared how you want it.
In regards to time, well I have mine on the patio cooking up whilst working from home or in the evening, stir it a few times and it's fine.
In reply to Post #21
Where do you get the pigeon mix that cheap please..
Where do you get the pigeon mix that cheap please..
In reply to Post #22
local feed supplier called Gladwells, I believe there is a few dotted around the East of the country. It is an econ mix so has chickpeas, maize, tic beans in it as well.
local feed supplier called Gladwells, I believe there is a few dotted around the East of the country. It is an econ mix so has chickpeas, maize, tic beans in it as well.
In reply to Post #22
Look for farm supplies like mole valley farmers, they're all over the country.
Even cheaper if you join them. Some bait CO's buy lamlac, provimi, equivite, etc from them. Worth the £10 joining fee
Look for farm supplies like mole valley farmers, they're all over the country.
Even cheaper if you join them. Some bait CO's buy lamlac, provimi, equivite, etc from them. Worth the £10 joining fee
In reply to Post #16
So how does 25kg become 50kg? simple answer without maths just common sense is the water content you've added if that's all you've added, what you've got is 50kg in weight not 50kg in actual maize which is my point the water has to account for the extra weight, the maize kernels might expand/enlarge but their doing that by taking on water it is still just water not maize.
I agree math is for the elite but common sense is for the stupid.
I guess maybe reading comes hard to some people too... I believe I said "once prepared you get 50kg of maize"
and yes lets talk about common sense, firstly when you talk about corn you are talking about prepared corn that has been cooked in water and has a high water content just like prepared maize, so common sense would dictate that we talk about similar state particles when doing a price comparison... if you pick a fresh grain of maize from the cob you have "Maize" you then dehydrate it so that it weighs half the weight because it has lost its original water content and it becomes "dehydrated maize". You then rehydrate it so that it has approximately its original water content again and hey presto you have what we have originally established as "maize" at twice the weight of the dehydrated maize and a grain that is similar to sweetcorn and in the same prepared state. It's not doing magic and suddenly making more of the solid content but just reintroducing what was originally removed and producing something very close to what was originally fresh "maize."
So how does 25kg become 50kg? simple answer without maths just common sense is the water content you've added if that's all you've added, what you've got is 50kg in weight not 50kg in actual maize which is my point the water has to account for the extra weight, the maize kernels might expand/enlarge but their doing that by taking on water it is still just water not maize.
I agree math is for the elite but common sense is for the stupid.
I guess maybe reading comes hard to some people too... I believe I said "once prepared you get 50kg of maize"
and yes lets talk about common sense, firstly when you talk about corn you are talking about prepared corn that has been cooked in water and has a high water content just like prepared maize, so common sense would dictate that we talk about similar state particles when doing a price comparison... if you pick a fresh grain of maize from the cob you have "Maize" you then dehydrate it so that it weighs half the weight because it has lost its original water content and it becomes "dehydrated maize". You then rehydrate it so that it has approximately its original water content again and hey presto you have what we have originally established as "maize" at twice the weight of the dehydrated maize and a grain that is similar to sweetcorn and in the same prepared state. It's not doing magic and suddenly making more of the solid content but just reintroducing what was originally removed and producing something very close to what was originally fresh "maize."
In reply to Post #25
I'd say when cooked up maize (or any particle for that matter) has a much higher water content than “fresh” when picked. You load it up massively. On that note I'm pretty sure you more than double the weight of the particle when it's cooked.
Just remember that when companies sell you prepared particle the weight includes the liquid it's sitting in, unless they vacuum pack it. So paying for a 10kg bucket you don't get 10kg of particle.
It's miles cheaper to prepare yourself. Less convenient if you don't have time spare but for 5 mins to put some in a bucket to soak for a day or two and then 30-45mins to cook it and another 15 maybe to package up in to session sized freezer bags is not a lot of time really.
I'd say when cooked up maize (or any particle for that matter) has a much higher water content than “fresh” when picked. You load it up massively. On that note I'm pretty sure you more than double the weight of the particle when it's cooked.
Just remember that when companies sell you prepared particle the weight includes the liquid it's sitting in, unless they vacuum pack it. So paying for a 10kg bucket you don't get 10kg of particle.
It's miles cheaper to prepare yourself. Less convenient if you don't have time spare but for 5 mins to put some in a bucket to soak for a day or two and then 30-45mins to cook it and another 15 maybe to package up in to session sized freezer bags is not a lot of time really.
In reply to Post #16
simply add water
simply add water
In reply to Post #7
I was pretty much with you on this until I read this thread. Firstly I am a corn snob and think the proper JGG are so much better than frozen and then anything tinned is better than frozen and that frozen is better than maize - but - after reading this I'm not so sure. I think it may be that whenever I have used maize it has been as a bulk out feed, so I fish them in different ways due to cost and some inbuilt conditioning.
I just wouldn't use a handful of maize - reading this I'm thinking I may actually change my approach slightly and get some proper sugars into maize and see how that works. Even though I don't actually like sweet corn, tasting particles is much nicer and for winter I think (absolutely no proof) they love the sugary hit!
I was pretty much with you on this until I read this thread. Firstly I am a corn snob and think the proper JGG are so much better than frozen and then anything tinned is better than frozen and that frozen is better than maize - but - after reading this I'm not so sure. I think it may be that whenever I have used maize it has been as a bulk out feed, so I fish them in different ways due to cost and some inbuilt conditioning.
I just wouldn't use a handful of maize - reading this I'm thinking I may actually change my approach slightly and get some proper sugars into maize and see how that works. Even though I don't actually like sweet corn, tasting particles is much nicer and for winter I think (absolutely no proof) they love the sugary hit!
In reply to Post #28
if you are looking to add sugars to your maize one of the additives that has been well documented to be a great attractor with maize is molasses.
if you are looking to add sugars to your maize one of the additives that has been well documented to be a great attractor with maize is molasses.
In reply to Post #29
And corn syrup
And corn syrup