My favourite reel of all time isnt a carp reel its a abu suveran 4000.
In reply to Post #10
Had those and it are very good reels. Switched to daiwa emblem z a couple of years ago.
These are just perfect. Same quality, little bit less weight and much smoother.
Had those and it are very good reels. Switched to daiwa emblem z a couple of years ago.
These are just perfect. Same quality, little bit less weight and much smoother.
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At the moment:
Daiwa basia sld or shimano aero technium 14000 mgs XTD,
price quality wise: shimano ultegra 14000 XTE, Improbable quality
At the moment:
Daiwa basia sld or shimano aero technium 14000 mgs XTD,
price quality wise: shimano ultegra 14000 XTE, Improbable quality
In reply to Post #15
5000ts, the best all rounder for the money? They do a job. But they can't be considered in the best bracket for anything, other than being able to treat them a bit rougher and they don't break as easily. But who buys tackle to throw it around? Oh, and making you look ‘old skool'. Plenty of cheaper modern day reels that can and will do the same job.
I had a set, for a long time, and whenever I used them, when I went back to my slds, or original basias before that, and for the life of me couldn't understand it. My slds have had a hard couple of years, getting covered in dusty water everytime it rains, which has been a lot for me, and being submerged in silty water, on several occasions when I wasn't concentrating. And they are still going as well as they were new.
5000t is a top end reel from 20 years ago. Still commanding a fair wack from the tackle shop. Now put that in terms of, for example. A 20 year old tv may still work, but technology has moved on for the better, and the price of old technology drops. Way too much money for what they are now. The emblem range for example, when I've handled them, weight aside, feel very smooth and modern, and solid.
And I know basias are over priced aswell. It's all plastic, made in China, built to the lowest cost possible. But they are better reels to use.
5000ts, the best all rounder for the money? They do a job. But they can't be considered in the best bracket for anything, other than being able to treat them a bit rougher and they don't break as easily. But who buys tackle to throw it around? Oh, and making you look ‘old skool'. Plenty of cheaper modern day reels that can and will do the same job.
I had a set, for a long time, and whenever I used them, when I went back to my slds, or original basias before that, and for the life of me couldn't understand it. My slds have had a hard couple of years, getting covered in dusty water everytime it rains, which has been a lot for me, and being submerged in silty water, on several occasions when I wasn't concentrating. And they are still going as well as they were new.
5000t is a top end reel from 20 years ago. Still commanding a fair wack from the tackle shop. Now put that in terms of, for example. A 20 year old tv may still work, but technology has moved on for the better, and the price of old technology drops. Way too much money for what they are now. The emblem range for example, when I've handled them, weight aside, feel very smooth and modern, and solid.
And I know basias are over priced aswell. It's all plastic, made in China, built to the lowest cost possible. But they are better reels to use.
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But how do you quantify 'better' reels to use? Other than looks / weight and perhaps a perceived 'smoother' retrieve what's ACTUALLY better about a more modern reel compared to a Tourney?
Line lay? - not really; super slow oscillation is meh - and my Tournies have wormdrives
Clutch? - not really; mine have carbon washers and are QD - smooth as you like
Retrieve - marginal if any realworld difference - my Emblem 5000A have a much longer ratio and can crank in trees
Casting distance - absolute rubbish - reels make little if fa difference - 6000Ts can be smashed to infinity
I'd rather use gear that's stood the test of time and won't let you down - irrespective of the 20yr old plus design! Daiwa ISOs are prob the more modern equivalent and their now classed as oldishskool ffs
But how do you quantify 'better' reels to use? Other than looks / weight and perhaps a perceived 'smoother' retrieve what's ACTUALLY better about a more modern reel compared to a Tourney?
Line lay? - not really; super slow oscillation is meh - and my Tournies have wormdrives
Clutch? - not really; mine have carbon washers and are QD - smooth as you like
Retrieve - marginal if any realworld difference - my Emblem 5000A have a much longer ratio and can crank in trees
Casting distance - absolute rubbish - reels make little if fa difference - 6000Ts can be smashed to infinity
I'd rather use gear that's stood the test of time and won't let you down - irrespective of the 20yr old plus design! Daiwa ISOs are prob the more modern equivalent and their now classed as oldishskool ffs
In reply to Post #21
Other than looks, weight and smoothness? Doesnt leave many areas
And youve modified yours to make the drag better and line lay better? Like triggers broom.
So £300 a reel now, what do your reels do better than a more modern emblem. Standing the test of time is hardly a valid argument, as whats to say the new emblems wont last just as long?
I had basia qds, for 11 years, and i got them second hand. And they were never once serviced. Imagine thats a lot longer than most people who own tournies have had them, and potentially fished for. Does that qualify as standing the test of time, as most people who havent ysed them, put them down as fragile.
I have no doubt a 6000t can be smashed as far as a more modern reel, but the weight counts against it, it takes more effort to move more weight. The lighter more modern reels are better designed for it. Its basic physics. So weight is imprtant to casting distance
Out of interest, have you ever used more modern reels, like a basia or tech alongside your tournies? As i have, and i can say, with experience, there is no comparison to how they feel in hand
Other than looks, weight and smoothness? Doesnt leave many areas
And youve modified yours to make the drag better and line lay better? Like triggers broom.
So £300 a reel now, what do your reels do better than a more modern emblem. Standing the test of time is hardly a valid argument, as whats to say the new emblems wont last just as long?
I had basia qds, for 11 years, and i got them second hand. And they were never once serviced. Imagine thats a lot longer than most people who own tournies have had them, and potentially fished for. Does that qualify as standing the test of time, as most people who havent ysed them, put them down as fragile.
I have no doubt a 6000t can be smashed as far as a more modern reel, but the weight counts against it, it takes more effort to move more weight. The lighter more modern reels are better designed for it. Its basic physics. So weight is imprtant to casting distance
Out of interest, have you ever used more modern reels, like a basia or tech alongside your tournies? As i have, and i can say, with experience, there is no comparison to how they feel in hand
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For what? I use different reels for different situations, e.g. margin fishing or smaller waters = Shimano 5000 baitrunners, close to medium range = Daiwa Castizm QD, long to extreme range = Shimano Aero Technium MGS or Shimano Big Baitrunner Ci4 1400. For stalking and floater fishing I use Shimano Vanfords in 4000 size.
If I was forced to use one reel? The Castizm. Best reel Daiwa have made in a long time, shame they discontinued it.
For what? I use different reels for different situations, e.g. margin fishing or smaller waters = Shimano 5000 baitrunners, close to medium range = Daiwa Castizm QD, long to extreme range = Shimano Aero Technium MGS or Shimano Big Baitrunner Ci4 1400. For stalking and floater fishing I use Shimano Vanfords in 4000 size.
If I was forced to use one reel? The Castizm. Best reel Daiwa have made in a long time, shame they discontinued it.
In reply to Post #24
I thought you had issues and got rid of your castizms after your mate at Daiwa got them repaired for you
I thought you had issues and got rid of your castizms after your mate at Daiwa got them repaired for you
In reply to Post #22
Unless your a tournament caster; all big pits will cast pretty much the same distance give or take a yard or two - fact
So really what this boils down to is looks and smoothness; as stated I've never had Basias (perhaps regrettably based on your experience) but I have had ISOs and whilst they were a step up in smoothness (my modern plasticy Emblem BR25As that I use for Barbel are waay smoother than my Tournies) I still perferred my Tournies; I suppose it boils down to what you have most faith in - spending £000's or 00's - unlike rods I think the performance benefits are negligible and I'd rather have reliable workhorse than a preened stallion when dragging in the fish of a lifetime . . .
Unless your a tournament caster; all big pits will cast pretty much the same distance give or take a yard or two - fact
So really what this boils down to is looks and smoothness; as stated I've never had Basias (perhaps regrettably based on your experience) but I have had ISOs and whilst they were a step up in smoothness (my modern plasticy Emblem BR25As that I use for Barbel are waay smoother than my Tournies) I still perferred my Tournies; I suppose it boils down to what you have most faith in - spending £000's or 00's - unlike rods I think the performance benefits are negligible and I'd rather have reliable workhorse than a preened stallion when dragging in the fish of a lifetime . . .
In reply to Post #17
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Pure Swiss quality, none of your modern Reels come close.
I have a pair on my Barbel Rods
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Pure Swiss quality, none of your modern Reels come close.I have a pair on my Barbel Rods
I don't think despite what others may say, that current models from Daiwa or Shimano are as good as reels from years ago.
The build quality feels tacky, not as strong, not as durable and cheap.
Technology has moved on
That may be, but modern technology is not always as effective as older technology, and sometimes we go round from long spools to deep spools, to coned spools, back to long spools.
I have had the choice of reels for years, as in if I wanted it I could save up for it, but at the same time, I want to look and feel an item before I buy it.
Shimano Reels from the 1990's I would still be using Aerlex or Biomasters, quite happily. A 1/2 turn of the clutch and from 'freespool' to tight, and I'm positive on that as I used them myself.
I actually wish I hadn't sold 3 of mine when I decided I didn't need a 'Big Pit' reel on my water and dropped down to DL10000's. The DL's were nice, but most definitely not as durable.
When I went back to a big lake I went back to a Big Pit, and chose after trying various reels, the Beastmaster XTA's. They are still going, and I think are better than the C14's. Bear in mind I worked in a tackle shop, so could play and get a discount on the RRP.
The build quality feels tacky, not as strong, not as durable and cheap.
Technology has moved on
That may be, but modern technology is not always as effective as older technology, and sometimes we go round from long spools to deep spools, to coned spools, back to long spools.
I have had the choice of reels for years, as in if I wanted it I could save up for it, but at the same time, I want to look and feel an item before I buy it.
Shimano Reels from the 1990's I would still be using Aerlex or Biomasters, quite happily. A 1/2 turn of the clutch and from 'freespool' to tight, and I'm positive on that as I used them myself.
I actually wish I hadn't sold 3 of mine when I decided I didn't need a 'Big Pit' reel on my water and dropped down to DL10000's. The DL's were nice, but most definitely not as durable.
When I went back to a big lake I went back to a Big Pit, and chose after trying various reels, the Beastmaster XTA's. They are still going, and I think are better than the C14's. Bear in mind I worked in a tackle shop, so could play and get a discount on the RRP.
In reply to Post #26
You can take that same approach with everything in life, and still be driving a 90s toyota previa, nice and reliable them, last forever. Newer lighter reels will assist you in casting. They make not, due to size etc give any more yards to a cast, but you cannot claim that the weight does not aid distance casting and make the whole process easier.
Your bias towards the tournies seems to be based purely on reliability by the sounds of it. But im not sure you can use reliabilty as a negative when comparing them against more modern reels, that havent been around as long. As whats to say they wont last that long.
Im not a tournie hater, i had some, im just not caught up enough in the hype to believe they are as good as modern alternatives. People like what they like, and thats all good. But they have no place in a “best reels” conversation.
You can take that same approach with everything in life, and still be driving a 90s toyota previa, nice and reliable them, last forever. Newer lighter reels will assist you in casting. They make not, due to size etc give any more yards to a cast, but you cannot claim that the weight does not aid distance casting and make the whole process easier.
Your bias towards the tournies seems to be based purely on reliability by the sounds of it. But im not sure you can use reliabilty as a negative when comparing them against more modern reels, that havent been around as long. As whats to say they wont last that long.
Im not a tournie hater, i had some, im just not caught up enough in the hype to believe they are as good as modern alternatives. People like what they like, and thats all good. But they have no place in a “best reels” conversation.
In reply to Post #28
The build quality feels tacky, not as strong, durable and cheap?
For example, you hold an sld basia, then a tournie, then an old aerlex, one turn of the handle and youre still walking away with the tournie or aerlex.
I have an old aerlex in the cupboard, and its awful in comparison, to even a tournie. You can buy it if you like.
The build quality feels tacky, not as strong, durable and cheap?
For example, you hold an sld basia, then a tournie, then an old aerlex, one turn of the handle and youre still walking away with the tournie or aerlex.
I have an old aerlex in the cupboard, and its awful in comparison, to even a tournie. You can buy it if you like.
I think most people feel that weight means strength and reliability. Material technology has moved on. I mean just how strong does a carp reel have to be?
I love my 20 year old Techniums xt's btw
Tournaments are so so so poor. Look bloody cool though. If that's your thing.
As previously said most big pits there won't be a big difference in casting ability. But I like it to feel nice to reel
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Why they don't rerelease the tournament with new internals and materials I don't know. It'd fly off the shelves.
I love my 20 year old Techniums xt's btw
Tournaments are so so so poor. Look bloody cool though. If that's your thing.
As previously said most big pits there won't be a big difference in casting ability. But I like it to feel nice to reel
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Why they don't rerelease the tournament with new internals and materials I don't know. It'd fly off the shelves.