In reply to Post #15
That's not exactly a test that's just your opinion (which is fair enough)
Where are the strength tests (bs) for the sensor that you were comparing it to?
That's not exactly a test that's just your opinion (which is fair enough)
Where are the strength tests (bs) for the sensor that you were comparing it to?
In reply to Post #12
can go back to my original thread on the other forum,
What's this ‘other forum' you keep going on about ?
can go back to my original thread on the other forum,
What's this ‘other forum' you keep going on about ?
In reply to Post #1
Syncro xt is pretty abrasion resistant and is my go to mono in weedy conditions. I have in recent years learned to ignore the manufacturers breaking strain claims and go by the actual diameter. I use the .39/.40 diameter.
I have just started to use braid again in snaggy situations ( it's been nearly 25 years since I last used it .... I had stopped using it in the late 90s simply because I didn't like it)
I have been using Hydrosink, and to be honest it is not tough enough in both weed and snags. and after a few uses it seems to lose some knot strength. I have just bit the bullet (cos its expensive) and bought some Thinking Anglers SBX to give it a try.
To be fair... away from snags... syncro xt would be my choice.
Syncro xt is pretty abrasion resistant and is my go to mono in weedy conditions. I have in recent years learned to ignore the manufacturers breaking strain claims and go by the actual diameter. I use the .39/.40 diameter.
I have just started to use braid again in snaggy situations ( it's been nearly 25 years since I last used it .... I had stopped using it in the late 90s simply because I didn't like it)
I have been using Hydrosink, and to be honest it is not tough enough in both weed and snags. and after a few uses it seems to lose some knot strength. I have just bit the bullet (cos its expensive) and bought some Thinking Anglers SBX to give it a try.
To be fair... away from snags... syncro xt would be my choice.
In reply to Post #16
Why did I need to test Sensor?
The Tackle Box line tests for a line already on the market were available on their webpage.
The Gardner Pro was only just being released.
I'd say playing fish that made it to tree roots where the line was rubbing is pretty abrasion resistant, as is playing fish over gravel bars where the bars come up 15feet from the lakebed and you can feel the line grating
Why did I need to test Sensor?
The Tackle Box line tests for a line already on the market were available on their webpage.
The Gardner Pro was only just being released.
I'd say playing fish that made it to tree roots where the line was rubbing is pretty abrasion resistant, as is playing fish over gravel bars where the bars come up 15feet from the lakebed and you can feel the line grating
In reply to Post #19
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
In reply to Post #1
I think Braid is miles better in 90% of situations but what your talking about its perfect and wouldn't use anything else if rules allow. Thinking anglers SBX would be my choice.
I think Braid is miles better in 90% of situations but what your talking about its perfect and wouldn't use anything else if rules allow. Thinking anglers SBX would be my choice.
In reply to Post #20
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
I tested the line, I gave it breaking strain tests. Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
If it wasn't good enough it wouldn't have been used for fishing and Richard Gardner would have been told. I learnt that just because a line might get great reviews, that does not mean it's going to work for me. The Ultima rep learnt that out when I used the first line they released.
I checked how supple it was against the Daiwa Sensor that I had used for years, (over 10), which is a known line and on the Tackle Box charts. I looked and saw a difference in diameter, 0.35mm vs 0.36mm when side by side.
Note that, I'd been using Sensor brown for over 10years, I knew what it was capable of, yet I didn't know how good the Gardner Pro was.
If something is cacke or doesn't work for me, I will say so, I don't do good reviews just to please the manufacturer.
Because you were commenting on it and made Interesting comparisons between the two so would have been interesting to note the test side by side (not going off someones elses report where the conditions and parameters might not be the same)
The point i'm making is your 'review / tests' were poor and tbh it just sounds like a plug for Gardner line.
I tested the line, I gave it breaking strain tests. Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
If it wasn't good enough it wouldn't have been used for fishing and Richard Gardner would have been told. I learnt that just because a line might get great reviews, that does not mean it's going to work for me. The Ultima rep learnt that out when I used the first line they released.
I checked how supple it was against the Daiwa Sensor that I had used for years, (over 10), which is a known line and on the Tackle Box charts. I looked and saw a difference in diameter, 0.35mm vs 0.36mm when side by side.
Note that, I'd been using Sensor brown for over 10years, I knew what it was capable of, yet I didn't know how good the Gardner Pro was.
If something is cacke or doesn't work for me, I will say so, I don't do good reviews just to please the manufacturer.
In reply to Post #22
Do you know Richard Gardner by any chance?
Do you know Richard Gardner by any chance?
In reply to Post #1
Prob with all mono against snags / weedbeds is stretch - I rate Synchro XT in terms of abrasion but it still stretches so even when fished bowstring tight with clutches nailed / rod lockers on / walking backwards on the take you're still giving a decent fish the chance to make a run for the thick stuff . . . on this basis and as braid is allowed its a no brainer
Prob with all mono against snags / weedbeds is stretch - I rate Synchro XT in terms of abrasion but it still stretches so even when fished bowstring tight with clutches nailed / rod lockers on / walking backwards on the take you're still giving a decent fish the chance to make a run for the thick stuff . . . on this basis and as braid is allowed its a no brainer
In reply to Post #23
No not personally.
No not personally.
In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
I once threw away 90 quids worth of braid as i wasn't happy about it.
There is no perfect line for all situations, If casting distance is your thing then you are going to have to accept some limitations with it sinking well or being good with abrasion resistance.
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
I once threw away 90 quids worth of braid as i wasn't happy about it.
There is no perfect line for all situations, If casting distance is your thing then you are going to have to accept some limitations with it sinking well or being good with abrasion resistance.
In reply to Post #26
Reference Thread: 15 February 2023 10:28:00In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
Yes I do.
I've been caught out by lines not being as good as the manufacturers bumpf or reviews.
The original Nash Bullet line from the 1990's was awful, coily, impossible to cast, so I started testing lines before I started actually fishing with them.
Berkeley Big Game did not work for me, it was another line that twisted, and I had some crack-offs where it fractured on casting from being 'over twisted'.
Since then every line is checked, for breaking strain and diameter. The more expensive lines are not necessarily the best. Many are overrated, a 15lb line diameter should be close to 0.35mm, not the 0.38 or 0.40 many are, which are 18 or even 20lb lines overrated to sound good.
If it works for me, as Pro does, I don't change the line brand unless I find I need to change, or as with the Pro, I was given some to test. Even then, on next line change, I don't often go for a more expensive line.
The Gardner Pro is a line I can cast over 100yards when I need to, doesn't suffer with line twist, and is capable of playing fish through the weed.
Reference Thread: 15 February 2023 10:28:00In reply to Post #22
Do you check your line to that extent before using it?
Yes I do.
I've been caught out by lines not being as good as the manufacturers bumpf or reviews.
The original Nash Bullet line from the 1990's was awful, coily, impossible to cast, so I started testing lines before I started actually fishing with them.
Berkeley Big Game did not work for me, it was another line that twisted, and I had some crack-offs where it fractured on casting from being 'over twisted'.
Since then every line is checked, for breaking strain and diameter. The more expensive lines are not necessarily the best. Many are overrated, a 15lb line diameter should be close to 0.35mm, not the 0.38 or 0.40 many are, which are 18 or even 20lb lines overrated to sound good.
If it works for me, as Pro does, I don't change the line brand unless I find I need to change, or as with the Pro, I was given some to test. Even then, on next line change, I don't often go for a more expensive line.
The Gardner Pro is a line I can cast over 100yards when I need to, doesn't suffer with line twist, and is capable of playing fish through the weed.
In reply to Post #27
The ‘twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you ? I've used dozens of different manufacturer's lines over the years and only ever had a couple of occasions where I have experienced line twist , neither were the fault of the line , it was the roller bearings on one particular reel that needed changing out and problem solved .
The line ‘ratings' you keep mentioning e.g. 15lb .....as said in previous threads that diameter has no relationship to these ratings , 1 manufacturers ‘15lb' casting line may be drastically thinner than another well sinking and abrasion resistant line from another manufacturer , it just makes common sense to use the diameter of the line to gauge what you need from it
The ‘twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you ? I've used dozens of different manufacturer's lines over the years and only ever had a couple of occasions where I have experienced line twist , neither were the fault of the line , it was the roller bearings on one particular reel that needed changing out and problem solved .
The line ‘ratings' you keep mentioning e.g. 15lb .....as said in previous threads that diameter has no relationship to these ratings , 1 manufacturers ‘15lb' casting line may be drastically thinner than another well sinking and abrasion resistant line from another manufacturer , it just makes common sense to use the diameter of the line to gauge what you need from it
In reply to Post #28
twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you
Sorry, you are incorrect.
The Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools, and I found that other lines are more prone to twist than some others. Ultima was one of them. It would not even work on a centrepin! It was just awful.
I do know about line twist, playing fish off the clutch, allowing loads of line off the baitrunner on a take can contribute to twist, as can loading a spool back to front.
Because you don't like the angling journalist Henry Gilbey, here is a quote from Keith Arthur:
honestly think we are fed a load of guff about lines. One maker advertised a product as 'the strongest 6lb line available' and another as 'the thinnest 6lb line available'. Now surely that should be the same thing? But no it wasn't because the 'strongest' was 20% thicker, so wasn't 6lb line at all but it said that on the label. We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls. Ditto Berkley Sensation: when the 4lb became an honest 7.7lb it was in the clearance bin!
I want my breaking strain to be honest, note that, the breaking strain for its correct diameter. If I'm good enough to tie decent, carefully tied knots, I want a 15lb line to be around 0.35mm, NOT 0.38 or 0.40, because that will reduce my casting distance.
twist' you can get is user error or bad reel rollers , you don't receive it twisted on the spool do you
Sorry, you are incorrect.
The Berkley line had been incorrectly spooled onto the brand spools, and I found that other lines are more prone to twist than some others. Ultima was one of them. It would not even work on a centrepin! It was just awful.
I do know about line twist, playing fish off the clutch, allowing loads of line off the baitrunner on a take can contribute to twist, as can loading a spool back to front.
Because you don't like the angling journalist Henry Gilbey, here is a quote from Keith Arthur:
honestly think we are fed a load of guff about lines. One maker advertised a product as 'the strongest 6lb line available' and another as 'the thinnest 6lb line available'. Now surely that should be the same thing? But no it wasn't because the 'strongest' was 20% thicker, so wasn't 6lb line at all but it said that on the label. We want to be mugged by line makers, because when the EFTTA labelling code of practice was introduced it destroyed the sales of 'honest' lines. 12lb Berkley Big Game became 18.6lb here and nobody wanted line that heavy...but when it had 12lb on the label it sold in shedfulls. Ditto Berkley Sensation: when the 4lb became an honest 7.7lb it was in the clearance bin!
I want my breaking strain to be honest, note that, the breaking strain for its correct diameter. If I'm good enough to tie decent, carefully tied knots, I want a 15lb line to be around 0.35mm, NOT 0.38 or 0.40, because that will reduce my casting distance.
Some people on this forum seam to know it all 😂😂
There is too many factors that come in to play when it comes to line!
You may think a certain line is the dog danglys someone else may think it's dog 💩
One may have looked after it/ there kit , one may have twisted it when spooling or ever bad knots maybe haven't changed it for awhile. Again to many factors come in to play.
Thinking you lot need to take step back an enjoy your fishing a bit more an learn from the experience if that be the bad or not that's how we progress as anglers.
There is too many factors that come in to play when it comes to line!
You may think a certain line is the dog danglys someone else may think it's dog 💩
One may have looked after it/ there kit , one may have twisted it when spooling or ever bad knots maybe haven't changed it for awhile. Again to many factors come in to play.
Thinking you lot need to take step back an enjoy your fishing a bit more an learn from the experience if that be the bad or not that's how we progress as anglers.