In reply to Post #13
Shimano reels from the 1990's to early 2000's are far better than more modern Shimano reels from 2010. Build quality, feel, longevity and materials.
Technology may have moved onwards and modernised, but metal lasts longer than plastic. Even the metal bits don't seem as strong.
I had 3 Baitrunner AeroGTE 4000's from 1995 which took all of my abuse until they were stolen in 2002.
The DL10000's I got in 2015 just didn't last; one a handle broke, another one a bent central pin has bent, they just don't feel as nice.
Strangely, the best quality reels I have found in the Shimano range is actually the budget stuff. My 7000XTA Beastmasters are nicer to use than reels costing twice as much. It MAY be that they use cheaper metal technology, materials that are older, not as modern as the current plastic.
I also think that reel manufacturers have gotten into the 'regular upgrade' or buy new tackle mindset. Your Mitchell's, Abu Cardinals lasted for years, you bought reels for life, whereas now manufacturers WANT you to buy new every few years. It's like your washing machine, 5 year warranty, 2 months after it expires, the machine dies, so you buy a new one.
Shimano reels from the 1990's to early 2000's are far better than more modern Shimano reels from 2010. Build quality, feel, longevity and materials.
Technology may have moved onwards and modernised, but metal lasts longer than plastic. Even the metal bits don't seem as strong.
I had 3 Baitrunner AeroGTE 4000's from 1995 which took all of my abuse until they were stolen in 2002.
The DL10000's I got in 2015 just didn't last; one a handle broke, another one a bent central pin has bent, they just don't feel as nice.
Strangely, the best quality reels I have found in the Shimano range is actually the budget stuff. My 7000XTA Beastmasters are nicer to use than reels costing twice as much. It MAY be that they use cheaper metal technology, materials that are older, not as modern as the current plastic.
I also think that reel manufacturers have gotten into the 'regular upgrade' or buy new tackle mindset. Your Mitchell's, Abu Cardinals lasted for years, you bought reels for life, whereas now manufacturers WANT you to buy new every few years. It's like your washing machine, 5 year warranty, 2 months after it expires, the machine dies, so you buy a new one.
In reply to Post #16
I tend to agree, however; I stand by my previous statement, if we don't buy it ,they will stop making it.
I tend to agree, however; I stand by my previous statement, if we don't buy it ,they will stop making it.
In reply to Post #17
You dont need to tell me, i dont buy new reels other than my daiwa certates but they are in another league altogether. I paid over the odds for a brand new discontinued daiwa castizm a couple of weeks ago as the new version is dog ****.
You dont need to tell me, i dont buy new reels other than my daiwa certates but they are in another league altogether. I paid over the odds for a brand new discontinued daiwa castizm a couple of weeks ago as the new version is dog ****.
In reply to Post #17
Totally agree. The market has become a never ending cycle of new paint jobs and adding/changing a few letters. Look at the number of Basias, Techs and Ultegras that have been released over the past 10 years and some people have tried them all!
The last new set of reels I bought were the Penn Affinity 7000. The titanium shaft sold them to me and approaching 10 years on they have been spot on. I'm up to 6 and use them for spod and marker work too. On my longer rods I have 6000t and on my small water rods I use Aero 8000 GTE bait runners. I don't know if I'll ever buy another set of reels (in all honesty I also have more bait runners, a set of SS2600 and a set of 5000ts), but if I did it would have to be something pretty special to buy something new.
Totally agree. The market has become a never ending cycle of new paint jobs and adding/changing a few letters. Look at the number of Basias, Techs and Ultegras that have been released over the past 10 years and some people have tried them all!
The last new set of reels I bought were the Penn Affinity 7000. The titanium shaft sold them to me and approaching 10 years on they have been spot on. I'm up to 6 and use them for spod and marker work too. On my longer rods I have 6000t and on my small water rods I use Aero 8000 GTE bait runners. I don't know if I'll ever buy another set of reels (in all honesty I also have more bait runners, a set of SS2600 and a set of 5000ts), but if I did it would have to be something pretty special to buy something new.
Interesting thread this ,
I have had numerous reels over the years some very expensive ones also .
I sold my power Aeros and my 5000 tournaments and my shimano mgs and a few others and settled on these 3
Penn the first offering as they cast very good are smooth and have a bail arm lock for the big Chuck .
I have used these for the last 6 years and can't fault them .
For general fishing the shimano baby big pits again no fault whatsoever
For puddle fishing cardinal 57 and 55 again used these the last 30 years , again these are bullit proof .
Why the need to chop and change is beyond me but if it floats your boat why not .
I have had numerous reels over the years some very expensive ones also .
I sold my power Aeros and my 5000 tournaments and my shimano mgs and a few others and settled on these 3
Penn the first offering as they cast very good are smooth and have a bail arm lock for the big Chuck .
I have used these for the last 6 years and can't fault them .
For general fishing the shimano baby big pits again no fault whatsoever
For puddle fishing cardinal 57 and 55 again used these the last 30 years , again these are bullit proof .
Why the need to chop and change is beyond me but if it floats your boat why not .
In reply to Post #18
But the new version is the same reel internally with external cosmetic changes ie folding handle and the original mag seal is flawed allowing water ingress requiring regular service checks .two of the four I had I sold vertualy unused ,the other two were serviced and had water ingress so sold after the service and I bought emcast 25a's at a fraction of the price which have a better drog .
But the new version is the same reel internally with external cosmetic changes ie folding handle and the original mag seal is flawed allowing water ingress requiring regular service checks .two of the four I had I sold vertualy unused ,the other two were serviced and had water ingress so sold after the service and I bought emcast 25a's at a fraction of the price which have a better drog .
In reply to Post #21
They are not the same reels so do your homework first. Open them up put them side by side and you will see they are not the same.
The original castizm has daiwas reel four concept the same as the basiair, original iso, top of the range £1000 exsist and certate models, the rotor is also made of a different material, the new whisker 25qd is nothing like it other than its the same size and shape. Ive had castizms since they came out 5 in total none have ever missed a beat and they were used on a flooded trent with 6oz leads. The 3 i sold are still getting abused now by my mate and guess what they have never missed a beat either and none of them have been serviced. I have 10 daiwa magsealed reels, 4 castizms, 4 certates and 2 of the new tournament 20 match reels and not one has less me down so thats 100% reliability.
They are not the same reels so do your homework first. Open them up put them side by side and you will see they are not the same.
The original castizm has daiwas reel four concept the same as the basiair, original iso, top of the range £1000 exsist and certate models, the rotor is also made of a different material, the new whisker 25qd is nothing like it other than its the same size and shape. Ive had castizms since they came out 5 in total none have ever missed a beat and they were used on a flooded trent with 6oz leads. The 3 i sold are still getting abused now by my mate and guess what they have never missed a beat either and none of them have been serviced. I have 10 daiwa magsealed reels, 4 castizms, 4 certates and 2 of the new tournament 20 match reels and not one has less me down so thats 100% reliability.