In reply to Post #15
A terrible thing to happen, and condolences to his friends and family.
We can all knit pick about the reasons why and why not do something as dangerous yet appears to be so harmless, but i for one think it's not appropriate at this sad time
A terrible thing to happen, and condolences to his friends and family.
We can all knit pick about the reasons why and why not do something as dangerous yet appears to be so harmless, but i for one think it's not appropriate at this sad time
So sad, doesn't bare thinking about what his family are going through now.
Am i a hypocrite having used my cheap parabolic heater Friday night, as I have done the last so many winters?
Not sure what the awnser is really. Also kudos to the fella that actually tested the Cobb and heater in the bivvy. Grey area that is rarely addressed.
Am i a hypocrite having used my cheap parabolic heater Friday night, as I have done the last so many winters?
Not sure what the awnser is really. Also kudos to the fella that actually tested the Cobb and heater in the bivvy. Grey area that is rarely addressed.
In reply to Post #16
So sad, a young man with wife and 3 children. Tragic news. RIP stephen.
So sad, a young man with wife and 3 children. Tragic news. RIP stephen.
So sad. Another un necessary and avoidable death caused by a heater. As a previous post said, its too easy to doze off with the warmth provided.. Go equipped accordingly..or stay at home.
My condolences to his friends and family.
My condolences to his friends and family.
We seem to going in cycles with this.
As any of the longtime Forum members will be able to recall we have a story of a death by carbon monoxide in a bivvy every few years. Everyone the states how dangerous stoves, heaters, even BBQ's etc are and don't ever use them, wear correct clothing, water bottles etc etc.
A year passes and we get to another winter and the threads start - “what's the best bivvy heater” or “how to warm a bivvy in winter”. The wiser heads advise against it but as each year passes they are in the minority. More threads “ wanted Black Cat heater” or “new parabolic heater on eBay - any good?” Now anyone who advises against them is judged as old fart or killjoy.
A couple of years ago there was a youtube clip of an angler fishing with a wood burner in his bivvy
I presume he was a ‘known angler' but it goes over my head as I don't watch the cartoons on the tube. I queried this and took a few digs with people saying it's perfectly safe because it had a chimney! If you trawl the web and look at how many deaths there are in normal houses through gas fires being faulty ( fires actually designed for house use)you'd be stunned. So a portable wood burner in a nylon sealed tent, without any certified checks on its chimney joints or door seal is OK!! OK extreme example I grant you but you can get my drift.
I'll guarantee you that this year it will be a hot topic. Next year, year after, then it will start to fade and the queries for a heated bivvy will start again with people recommending ‘safe' devices. We seem to be unable as a group of people to learn.
My heartfelt condolences to this young man's family at what is probably the most tragic time of year for any bereavement.
As any of the longtime Forum members will be able to recall we have a story of a death by carbon monoxide in a bivvy every few years. Everyone the states how dangerous stoves, heaters, even BBQ's etc are and don't ever use them, wear correct clothing, water bottles etc etc.
A year passes and we get to another winter and the threads start - “what's the best bivvy heater” or “how to warm a bivvy in winter”. The wiser heads advise against it but as each year passes they are in the minority. More threads “ wanted Black Cat heater” or “new parabolic heater on eBay - any good?” Now anyone who advises against them is judged as old fart or killjoy.
A couple of years ago there was a youtube clip of an angler fishing with a wood burner in his bivvy
I presume he was a ‘known angler' but it goes over my head as I don't watch the cartoons on the tube. I queried this and took a few digs with people saying it's perfectly safe because it had a chimney! If you trawl the web and look at how many deaths there are in normal houses through gas fires being faulty ( fires actually designed for house use)you'd be stunned. So a portable wood burner in a nylon sealed tent, without any certified checks on its chimney joints or door seal is OK!! OK extreme example I grant you but you can get my drift.I'll guarantee you that this year it will be a hot topic. Next year, year after, then it will start to fade and the queries for a heated bivvy will start again with people recommending ‘safe' devices. We seem to be unable as a group of people to learn.
My heartfelt condolences to this young man's family at what is probably the most tragic time of year for any bereavement.
In reply to Post #16
Joss
I can see where you are coming from re whether commenting on this is appropriate at this time, but I really do think if it is not constantly brought to peoples attention these tragic events will be repeated.
Even today there is a thread by a new member asking about doing his first ever solo night session. Would he know about the danger if not brought to his attention? Maybe, maybe not. But at least if it's out there it could make a difference. We have a few newer members at the moment and from their questions it shows they are new to the hobby so may not know how dangerous these stoves and heaters can be. Not that old hands can't be caught out if they ‘ just use it for a few minutes' even if they know the dangers and risk it ‘ just this once'
Joss
I can see where you are coming from re whether commenting on this is appropriate at this time, but I really do think if it is not constantly brought to peoples attention these tragic events will be repeated.
Even today there is a thread by a new member asking about doing his first ever solo night session. Would he know about the danger if not brought to his attention? Maybe, maybe not. But at least if it's out there it could make a difference. We have a few newer members at the moment and from their questions it shows they are new to the hobby so may not know how dangerous these stoves and heaters can be. Not that old hands can't be caught out if they ‘ just use it for a few minutes' even if they know the dangers and risk it ‘ just this once'
In reply to Post #21
agree mate,
I was more referring to comments all over social media more than i was referring to this thread
agree mate,
I was more referring to comments all over social media more than i was referring to this thread
very sad news .... and as someone who lost a friend in the same way in the 1980s .... banning stoves, heaters isnt and never will be the answer because it isnt practical and therefore isnt the answer. ..... Education on correct way to use them is the way forward
condolences to the family
condolences to the family
RIP Stephen Kitcher
so sad a man in his prime with a wife and kids condolences to his family
so sad a man in his prime with a wife and kids condolences to his family
Wonder if any of these companies have in their description advertised them as bivvy heaters.
R.I.P Stephen
A real tragedy, my thoughts are with Stephen's family and friends.
Agree, this thread is probably not the space to discuss the rights or wrongs of heating a bivvy. Plenty of other threads for that.
Agree, this thread is probably not the space to discuss the rights or wrongs of heating a bivvy. Plenty of other threads for that.
R.I.P condolences to his family and friends
In reply to Post #29
Saw a post yesterday where this chaps friend confirmed it wasn't a heater, he was cooking in his bivvy using a charcoal powered Cobb with the door zipped up.
Madness.
Saw a post yesterday where this chaps friend confirmed it wasn't a heater, he was cooking in his bivvy using a charcoal powered Cobb with the door zipped up.
Madness.
In reply to Post #30
Given the heating or eating situation many people find themselves in, it's only a matter of time before some idiot fires up a Barbie in their living room. With inevitable results.
Given the heating or eating situation many people find themselves in, it's only a matter of time before some idiot fires up a Barbie in their living room. With inevitable results.