In reply to Post #15
You should have a go at the big one in the river, see how you get on with that with the tide in full flow.
You should have a go at the big one in the river, see how you get on with that with the tide in full flow.
In reply to Post #10
Pretty sure those techs only have 1kg more drag pressure than a 5500 xtd, neither are really made for powerful fish.
Pretty sure those techs only have 1kg more drag pressure than a 5500 xtd, neither are really made for powerful fish.
In reply to Post #14
Take a look at the sellers on eBay selling new xtractors and insurgents great deals on there see what comes up at a good price that will make you decide as they sell more deals come on
Take a look at the sellers on eBay selling new xtractors and insurgents great deals on there see what comes up at a good price that will make you decide as they sell more deals come on
New ESP rods worth a look, I'd take a Drennan approved blank over anything Sonik any day.
For me the Dwarf were much more fun to play a fish on than on the Soniks, was also amazed by the accurate casting characteristics, the 7 guides on the Dwarfs is also a good choice from Nash, can't believe more manufacturers don't use 7 guides as standard
When I had the Dwarfs (3 lb) with a Daiwa black widow 25A I was able to cast around 104 yards.
When I had the Dwarfs (3 lb) with a Daiwa black widow 25A I was able to cast around 104 yards.
In reply to Post #20
I have the dwarfs for marker and spod rod, paired with sonik reels.
I have the dwarfs for marker and spod rod, paired with sonik reels.
I bought a set of Sonik Extractor and although Im no rod expert they totally undwerwhelmed me. I really dont get the rave reviews on them. They might be ok for £50-£60ea but in essence felt a are a very basic blank to me.
i know its a packdown size thing to go for extending rods but I would go for non retractable myself .... Opens up far more options of better quality rods.
i know its a packdown size thing to go for extending rods but I would go for non retractable myself .... Opens up far more options of better quality rods.
In reply to Post #22
No one is saying they are expensive rods hence the price £50 £60 but that's what there worth others are charging £160 £180 for rods that are worth £80 to £100 it's the oldest trick in the book put a Fuji reel seat on a cheap rod which some did in the 90s and make it look a quality rod and put the price up
No one is saying they are expensive rods hence the price £50 £60 but that's what there worth others are charging £160 £180 for rods that are worth £80 to £100 it's the oldest trick in the book put a Fuji reel seat on a cheap rod which some did in the 90s and make it look a quality rod and put the price up
In reply to Post #23
That's not strictly true. The blanks aren't the same, nobody but Nash and aqua (costswold and chiltern rods too I guess) charge those higher prices. Nash had the es dwarf which are on par with the cheap daiwa things and xtractors, is there any evidence to suggest the insurgent is technically better than a £70 odd regular dwarf? They look the same? Like a £500 high end rod looks the same as most other rods..
From what I've personally seen scopes lead the market in performance, terrible vfm they may be, but the best range and performance of these telescopic models. Good luck to them, I'd charge a premium too if my range and product were not only superior but my idea in the first place.
I'm not really sure how they're justifying £500+ rods these days, no way is there that much difference in raw material cost
That's not strictly true. The blanks aren't the same, nobody but Nash and aqua (costswold and chiltern rods too I guess) charge those higher prices. Nash had the es dwarf which are on par with the cheap daiwa things and xtractors, is there any evidence to suggest the insurgent is technically better than a £70 odd regular dwarf? They look the same? Like a £500 high end rod looks the same as most other rods..
From what I've personally seen scopes lead the market in performance, terrible vfm they may be, but the best range and performance of these telescopic models. Good luck to them, I'd charge a premium too if my range and product were not only superior but my idea in the first place.
I'm not really sure how they're justifying £500+ rods these days, no way is there that much difference in raw material cost
In reply to Post #24
I don't understand this £500 a rod either in a word GREED but they didn't all together
invent the retractable rod it's the same principle as a telescopic rod and the only reason they where leading the market is because there was no competition till recently now there's a lot more choice I still don't get this superior rod idea terrible vfm ?
I don't understand this £500 a rod either in a word GREED but they didn't all together
invent the retractable rod it's the same principle as a telescopic rod and the only reason they where leading the market is because there was no competition till recently now there's a lot more choice I still don't get this superior rod idea terrible vfm ?
In reply to Post #25
Scope knocker, I've got got 2.25tc and they are are far nicer rod to use than the budget sonic which I've also had and got rid of. Same with most things there is always a cheaper alternative like I buy free range corn fed chicken but could buy a battery farmed one for half the price but I can tell the difference while you would probably say the price isn't justified. Each to there own.
Scope knocker, I've got got 2.25tc and they are are far nicer rod to use than the budget sonic which I've also had and got rid of. Same with most things there is always a cheaper alternative like I buy free range corn fed chicken but could buy a battery farmed one for half the price but I can tell the difference while you would probably say the price isn't justified. Each to there own.
In reply to Post #26
Your missing the point I am not saying that xtractor is as good as scopes I am saying about price xtractor are a cheap rod at a cheap price scopes are not a top quality rod so at £160 a £180 there way overpriced if they where £100 tops £120 that's about right imo
Your missing the point I am not saying that xtractor is as good as scopes I am saying about price xtractor are a cheap rod at a cheap price scopes are not a top quality rod so at £160 a £180 there way overpriced if they where £100 tops £120 that's about right imo
In reply to Post #27
Paid £150 a peice for mine and thought it was fair but I have rods from from £70 to over £500 each and I'm more than happy with them all. In fact when I look at how versatile my old mk1 scopes were and what I caught on them they are probably good value compared to the more expensive ones which are purely for distance fishing even though I could use them close in I choose not too.
Paid £150 a peice for mine and thought it was fair but I have rods from from £70 to over £500 each and I'm more than happy with them all. In fact when I look at how versatile my old mk1 scopes were and what I caught on them they are probably good value compared to the more expensive ones which are purely for distance fishing even though I could use them close in I choose not too.
Next year I will buy retractable rods again and the scopes are a serious candidate, although I will start with 1 if i don't like it I will buy a pair off Dwarfs again, sorry to say but even if the soniks are 50% cheaper i still will buy the Nash retractable rods, the Soniks extractor felt completely different then the Dwarf ( not tried tbe insurgents) the dwarf felt more stable in the butt and less wobbly in the tip.
Price to high? lol have seen bedchairs in the store that normally go for 500 that were offered for 200 with promotions and the still make money on it, it's all a steal, and in the end you decide for yourself as what you pay, a scope of 160/180 if it is good I have no problem with it.
Price to high? lol have seen bedchairs in the store that normally go for 500 that were offered for 200 with promotions and the still make money on it, it's all a steal, and in the end you decide for yourself as what you pay, a scope of 160/180 if it is good I have no problem with it.
I've had Nash Scopes in various lengths and TC's over the years including 10ft 3.5 - I now have Sonik Insurgents in 10ft 3.5tc and actually prefer them to the Nash rods (personal preference) I found them better to cast with and better to play fish and have been really happy since I switched last year.