In reply to Post #1
Indeed. I fish a 30 feet deep pit, surface fishing not allowed, and there you are in the midst of a warm day, with fish at the surface for as far as you can see. 30 ft zigs, no tx.
I haven't been this year, maybe in the winter, but that kinda says it all.
Rules everywhere, obey!
Indeed. I fish a 30 feet deep pit, surface fishing not allowed, and there you are in the midst of a warm day, with fish at the surface for as far as you can see. 30 ft zigs, no tx.
I haven't been this year, maybe in the winter, but that kinda says it all.
Rules everywhere, obey!
In reply to Post #16
I am lucky to be able to fish in the week now but I can definately see some merit in well organized swim booking system if the lake is going to be busy, especially if the system allows you to move. I remember the stress on a fri afternoon till you can get to the lake and see whats free.
It does make me wonder if it will be sustainable in the long term as I'm sure at least some people will tire of fishing the permitted way, but then everyone is different. There are quite a few crappy things around that I don't really understand why people put up with, yet society seems to constantly churn out a conveyor belt of people who are fine with whatever.
I think a lot of the problems are rooted in the commercialisation of carp fishing. Looking round, some of these new, lets call them "members waters" really are commies on steroids. Less than 5 years old, no cover, no trees, new stock, funny rules, £500-600-700pa and a waiting list closed until 2024!
I am very thankful to still have a haven or 2, where I can disappear back to 1990. I do like variety and new challenges but sometimes it makes you realise what you got aint bad either!
Just thinking, I got a solution for the rigid documentation fans: RH MK2 flyweights! "I'll weigh it 3 times mr bailiff and you can average out all the different numbers we get"
I am lucky to be able to fish in the week now but I can definately see some merit in well organized swim booking system if the lake is going to be busy, especially if the system allows you to move. I remember the stress on a fri afternoon till you can get to the lake and see whats free.
It does make me wonder if it will be sustainable in the long term as I'm sure at least some people will tire of fishing the permitted way, but then everyone is different. There are quite a few crappy things around that I don't really understand why people put up with, yet society seems to constantly churn out a conveyor belt of people who are fine with whatever.
I think a lot of the problems are rooted in the commercialisation of carp fishing. Looking round, some of these new, lets call them "members waters" really are commies on steroids. Less than 5 years old, no cover, no trees, new stock, funny rules, £500-600-700pa and a waiting list closed until 2024!
I am very thankful to still have a haven or 2, where I can disappear back to 1990. I do like variety and new challenges but sometimes it makes you realise what you got aint bad either!
Just thinking, I got a solution for the rigid documentation fans: RH MK2 flyweights! "I'll weigh it 3 times mr bailiff and you can average out all the different numbers we get"
Thanks for the thread O.P 👍
There's so many variables in all of this. For me it's a case of finding sensible people running a water imposing sensible rules. Luckily enough I've found a syndicate where every box is ticked and not mental money. Couldn't wish for better.
I have had the misfortune of fishing places with draconian rules. Man, those kinds of places are just the pits; it's as if you're shackled. The not moving swim is a mind blower, especially so when you see fish crashing out where no-one is yet still have to stay where you are, desperately hoping by some miracle they'll swim over to your carefully placed traps; never happens does it?...sad face.
The rig check rule has always tripped me out. You know when you're on a role and you've had a few, next thing, bailiff type chap and his chum come mincing over and "check your rigs mate, just to make sure you're not breaking any rules mate" yeah, course you are, not like you've come over to suss out what I'm upto then do the very same thing yourself ya halfwits, totally ignoring the fact I've only pinged out 10 baits spread over two rods as they're well spooky over big beds of bait, yet there they are, wanging in the spombs, one after another, what's that, 20kg now and still blanking?
Sometimes you can strike it lucky even if there's nutty rules. Like you come across this real stickler of a bailiff for 'ze rulez' and when he realises you're not a knobber, are respectful of other anglers and the place in general, slyly whispers in your ear "mate, I can see you know what you're doing, I always use tigers, they love um, you didn't hear that from me though, you know?" Me going "I was using them anyway" and laughing
There's so many variables in all of this. For me it's a case of finding sensible people running a water imposing sensible rules. Luckily enough I've found a syndicate where every box is ticked and not mental money. Couldn't wish for better.
I have had the misfortune of fishing places with draconian rules. Man, those kinds of places are just the pits; it's as if you're shackled. The not moving swim is a mind blower, especially so when you see fish crashing out where no-one is yet still have to stay where you are, desperately hoping by some miracle they'll swim over to your carefully placed traps; never happens does it?...sad face.
The rig check rule has always tripped me out. You know when you're on a role and you've had a few, next thing, bailiff type chap and his chum come mincing over and "check your rigs mate, just to make sure you're not breaking any rules mate" yeah, course you are, not like you've come over to suss out what I'm upto then do the very same thing yourself ya halfwits, totally ignoring the fact I've only pinged out 10 baits spread over two rods as they're well spooky over big beds of bait, yet there they are, wanging in the spombs, one after another, what's that, 20kg now and still blanking?
Sometimes you can strike it lucky even if there's nutty rules. Like you come across this real stickler of a bailiff for 'ze rulez' and when he realises you're not a knobber, are respectful of other anglers and the place in general, slyly whispers in your ear "mate, I can see you know what you're doing, I always use tigers, they love um, you didn't hear that from me though, you know?" Me going "I was using them anyway" and laughing
In reply to Post #15
"For whatever reason, the worst type of anglers don't like to make such a great commitment and making a booking is a step too far for them."
You couldn't be further from the truth, I know of two very well known waters in the SW that are swim booking only and they are rammed week in week out, nothing more than ponds. Park your car behind wood chipped swims, bait boats for forty yard chucks.
More rules than you can shake a stick at and they still have to ban people on a regular basis because of the type of person they attract.
"For whatever reason, the worst type of anglers don't like to make such a great commitment and making a booking is a step too far for them."
You couldn't be further from the truth, I know of two very well known waters in the SW that are swim booking only and they are rammed week in week out, nothing more than ponds. Park your car behind wood chipped swims, bait boats for forty yard chucks.
More rules than you can shake a stick at and they still have to ban people on a regular basis because of the type of person they attract.
In reply to Post #20
Can you get me on as a guesty, sounds the nuts
Can you get me on as a guesty, sounds the nuts
In reply to Post #21
I wouldn't be coming with you never set foot in the places and never will. 
I wouldn't be coming with you
never set foot in the places and never will.
In reply to Post #22
I've got quite a few of those places near me.
One of my mates was banging on about a place saying I was mad not to fish it seeing how close it was, and that there was a 'mythical' 30lb mirror in there. One day, I thought sod it, take one of my dogs with me, a small kit and have a lovely day of it.
Rocks up, a little island which must have been 3, maybe 4 rod lengths away had little Cyps crusing up and down behind - my side - of the island. A quick lead about, 15 mins or so later a ripping take; goody gum drops, yay. Mate, this poor little carp, most of its bottom lip was missing. I'm sitting there like a scene out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest where they steal the boat and Danny DeVito's character is poking the fishes eye, I'm trying to work out the physics of how this fish took my bait. Out of nowhere, fooomp! Nearly jumped in the air! Silly bolloxs from the other side cast 70yds right onto my spot.
I shouts over, "mate, you're right on top of me" I get back, "you fugging want some c..t?" with his 3 herbert mates egging him on with one of them barely holding on to what looked like two savage Pitbull types. I sat there for a moment thinking, what a load of old fugging cobblers, what is wrong with some people. Thought I'd have a nice day out, sitting in the sun catching some rays.with my dog, instead ruined by a total helmet. Never been back since.
I've got quite a few of those places near me.
One of my mates was banging on about a place saying I was mad not to fish it seeing how close it was, and that there was a 'mythical' 30lb mirror in there. One day, I thought sod it, take one of my dogs with me, a small kit and have a lovely day of it.
Rocks up, a little island which must have been 3, maybe 4 rod lengths away had little Cyps crusing up and down behind - my side - of the island. A quick lead about, 15 mins or so later a ripping take; goody gum drops, yay. Mate, this poor little carp, most of its bottom lip was missing. I'm sitting there like a scene out of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest where they steal the boat and Danny DeVito's character is poking the fishes eye, I'm trying to work out the physics of how this fish took my bait. Out of nowhere, fooomp! Nearly jumped in the air! Silly bolloxs from the other side cast 70yds right onto my spot.
I shouts over, "mate, you're right on top of me" I get back, "you fugging want some c..t?" with his 3 herbert mates egging him on with one of them barely holding on to what looked like two savage Pitbull types. I sat there for a moment thinking, what a load of old fugging cobblers, what is wrong with some people. Thought I'd have a nice day out, sitting in the sun catching some rays.with my dog, instead ruined by a total helmet. Never been back since.
Certainly not my type of waters. Carp lottery, beaten before you cast out 
For a working man who wants to do a bit of fishing at the weekend and guarantee a place on a pond or for a social with a group of mates, probably not a better place for me. Couple this with shower blocks, tackle shops and cafes I can see the appeal, I guess there is a place for them?
Fishing them on a serious basis must be an absolute nightmare!!!
Down side is that you should be prepared to take the **** that comes with it I suppose, popular places attract lots of people, from all walks of life, the nice genuine folk right through to utter mongs!
Ultimately they are a business though and that dictates the prices and rules which are usually put in pace to control the mongs, the overkill
For a working man who wants to do a bit of fishing at the weekend and guarantee a place on a pond or for a social with a group of mates, probably not a better place for me. Couple this with shower blocks, tackle shops and cafes I can see the appeal, I guess there is a place for them?
Fishing them on a serious basis must be an absolute nightmare!!!
Down side is that you should be prepared to take the **** that comes with it I suppose, popular places attract lots of people, from all walks of life, the nice genuine folk right through to utter mongs!
Ultimately they are a business though and that dictates the prices and rules which are usually put in pace to control the mongs, the overkill
Thing is though this swim booking etc does suit a lot of anglers. Especially the guys who go with mates and want to guarantee they get 2 or 3 or 4 or however many swims together so they can have a nice social. And the type of lakes that do that tend to be the ones that are in the owners garden so to speak. If I had people fishing my garden pond I think I would probably end up with some, seemingly, daft rules too. A lot of venues cater exclusively to these holiday / lads weekend away type of anglers now and the rules that go with that have become so normalised that venues (especially new ones) seem to just to go with those kind of rules as standard.
A lot of newer venues have also sunk a lot of money into their lakes, again if that was me I would want rules in place to protect my investment. I think that is the root of these rules. People protecting an investment.
A lot of newer venues have also sunk a lot of money into their lakes, again if that was me I would want rules in place to protect my investment. I think that is the root of these rules. People protecting an investment.
There's one place I know of...you have to use their bait,nothing else,which is more expensive than ,say what you would make or bring yourself...I lost interest straight away ..
In reply to Post #26
Lots of places are like that. Can only use their pellets etc.
Lots of places are like that. Can only use their pellets etc.
I know a water, it's vast. There's are no rules or boundaries as such, unknown stock, secluded bays, expanses of water, features.... you name it 🐋🦈🦭
Sometimes you have to admit defeat, try as you might the current and future generations don't live in an episode of passion for angling. These kids are having a different type of cheese on their crackers 😏
Sometimes you have to admit defeat, try as you might the current and future generations don't live in an episode of passion for angling. These kids are having a different type of cheese on their crackers 😏
In reply to Post #28
Swap ya a bag of Krill and a packet of ready tied Korda Ronnie rigs for the inside baseball?
Swap ya a bag of Krill and a packet of ready tied Korda Ronnie rigs for the inside baseball?
In reply to Post #28
Yeah I know that one too.
It's called the sea
There's a pub near me. One of those chain type places. Rubbish food, you have to drink the beer they have on tap ( no bringing your own), awful set up with tables too close to each other. Attracts some real inconsiderate types....
So I don't go there
Yeah I know that one too.
It's called the sea
There's a pub near me. One of those chain type places. Rubbish food, you have to drink the beer they have on tap ( no bringing your own), awful set up with tables too close to each other. Attracts some real inconsiderate types....
So I don't go there
In reply to Post #28
Yep,I know that lake...moody ,vast and dangerous,like a woman scorned, turn ye back and it be paying you back..!!
Your right though,different times,aspirations and outlook on life,the old skool ,if you will a dying breed ..for the better or worse of it....I don't like what's happening to angling,I don't like what's going on in the world..
But...(...I just wish the young people would wake de fcuk up and see how the lies are being sold to them ..)
There is sweet nothing I can do about it,we are all merely little ants in a ants nest,ready to be stamped on..!
Thing is..those quiet ,un hitlerised venues are as rare as the battle of Cam allen
Yep,I know that lake...moody ,vast and dangerous,like a woman scorned, turn ye back and it be paying you back..!!
Your right though,different times,aspirations and outlook on life,the old skool ,if you will a dying breed ..for the better or worse of it....I don't like what's happening to angling,I don't like what's going on in the world..
But...(...I just wish the young people would wake de fcuk up and see how the lies are being sold to them ..)
There is sweet nothing I can do about it,we are all merely little ants in a ants nest,ready to be stamped on..!
Thing is..those quiet ,un hitlerised venues are as rare as the battle of Cam allen