In reply to Post #1
I fished a syndicate lake in the 90's through early 00's that the bloody things in an adjacent lake and the bloody things were always escaping and coming onto the lake I fished and they were a bloody nightmare for destroying trees and sticking bits of them into the bottom of the lake for some reason.
I woke up feeling uneasy during the night on one occasion and one of them was sat about 18" from my head looking at me, bloody terrifying !
These particular Beavers went onto " escape " completely and went onto populate a local river where they are to this day, ironically enough, in the River Otter !
I fished a syndicate lake in the 90's through early 00's that the bloody things in an adjacent lake and the bloody things were always escaping and coming onto the lake I fished and they were a bloody nightmare for destroying trees and sticking bits of them into the bottom of the lake for some reason.
I woke up feeling uneasy during the night on one occasion and one of them was sat about 18" from my head looking at me, bloody terrifying !
These particular Beavers went onto " escape " completely and went onto populate a local river where they are to this day, ironically enough, in the River Otter !
In reply to Post #1
How about Kodiak bears too... With an appetite for Chris Packham.
How about Kodiak bears too... With an appetite for Chris Packham.
In reply to Post #13
We don't want Wolves. I spent a night in Canada sat in a trench on exercise surrounded by them howling away with my hair standing on end. Later on next day some of the lads asked me if I had seen them as they was almost on top of me. I just said no way was I sticking my head up and let them see me. If they wanted me, they would have to jump into my trench and face my bayonet and rifle butt.
Rats are a pain, but at least they only want to eat my dinner or bait and not me.
We don't want Wolves. I spent a night in Canada sat in a trench on exercise surrounded by them howling away with my hair standing on end. Later on next day some of the lads asked me if I had seen them as they was almost on top of me. I just said no way was I sticking my head up and let them see me. If they wanted me, they would have to jump into my trench and face my bayonet and rifle butt.
Rats are a pain, but at least they only want to eat my dinner or bait and not me.
In reply to Post #3
Elton John.
Elton John.
In reply to Post #20
Will otters go onto a water where there are beavers?
Will otters go onto a water where there are beavers?
In reply to Post #19
You're just being alarmist due to an ingrained fear of the Wolf. Attacks by wolves are extremely rare. If you come across them, their natural instinct is to run away from humans.
People in remote places like in Italy and Romania have lived quite happily side by side for centuries, other than the occasional angry farmer loosing a sheep. They're certainly not the indiscriminate killers they're made out to be that's for sure.
I'd take a wolf over an otter any day of the week. As for beavers being introduced again, I don't know, maybe it'll be a good thing and rebalance some of the rivers?
You're just being alarmist due to an ingrained fear of the Wolf. Attacks by wolves are extremely rare. If you come across them, their natural instinct is to run away from humans.
People in remote places like in Italy and Romania have lived quite happily side by side for centuries, other than the occasional angry farmer loosing a sheep. They're certainly not the indiscriminate killers they're made out to be that's for sure.
I'd take a wolf over an otter any day of the week. As for beavers being introduced again, I don't know, maybe it'll be a good thing and rebalance some of the rivers?
I fished a lake in France in the middle of some woods early hours was woken by what sounded like a cow or horse crashing thru the woods behind me branches snapping scared me to be honest I was the only one on the lake and so thought got to see what the hell it is as I pushed my way thru the dense bushes and woods I caught sight of the biggest Boar I had ever seen ! I was properly scared now heard these things can charge you and break bones ! so ran back grabbed my stove and used it to start a fire with lots of branches
I sat next to it all night with a bank stick next morning an old French guy walked round and despite his lack of english and my lack of French managed to tell him about the boar he got very excited and made the shooting sign next evening just after dark I heard gunfire no more boar
I sat next to it all night with a bank stick next morning an old French guy walked round and despite his lack of english and my lack of French managed to tell him about the boar he got very excited and made the shooting sign next evening just after dark I heard gunfire no more boar
I watch a guy on YouTube sometimes, called Tenkara addict,he fishes these Beaver pools,they don't seem to hold a lot of fish though..
People have to remember one thing..
This country ,is a lot different now ,houses,being built in numbers,are these creatures sustainable,..?
The other issue is damage ,I've seen at first hand the damage just one can do to a pristine valley,I know this as I visit it every day..
Legislation I understand is being done to protect the animal and the dams,now if a beaver dams below your lake ,property etc,the river in flood ,could potentially cause massive issues..you might not be allowed to move said Beaver or dam by law,or if you was it could take a long time to process the order..
Now the Scots, don't want them,and I understanded,sorry Toronto carp that Canadians have a real issue with them..
Like everything,rewilders paint only one side of the canvas,you won't hear about the reality..!
I asked this rewilder,if that Beaver dams the valley,what about the established fishery ,his words...we will build a tunnel..lol
Roses around the porch ,mindset..
People have to remember one thing..
This country ,is a lot different now ,houses,being built in numbers,are these creatures sustainable,..?
The other issue is damage ,I've seen at first hand the damage just one can do to a pristine valley,I know this as I visit it every day..
Legislation I understand is being done to protect the animal and the dams,now if a beaver dams below your lake ,property etc,the river in flood ,could potentially cause massive issues..you might not be allowed to move said Beaver or dam by law,or if you was it could take a long time to process the order..
Now the Scots, don't want them,and I understanded,sorry Toronto carp that Canadians have a real issue with them..
Like everything,rewilders paint only one side of the canvas,you won't hear about the reality..!
I asked this rewilder,if that Beaver dams the valley,what about the established fishery ,his words...we will build a tunnel..lol
Roses around the porch ,mindset..
In reply to Post #24
The answer is a catchment approach with the rivers as always. I would argue in the upper catchment dams and ponds created by beavers should decrease flash flooding lower in the catchment. It is also well documented now that having beavers in the catchment can have benefits for water quality and does increase the plant and invertebrate diversity in the habitats that they create (such as pools and ponds) or manipulate such as woodland. In this sense it can only be a good thing. Just different from what we know.
Like all protected species there will be a licencing process for beavers. You will be able to remove them if you can demonstrate there is no alternative. There obviously needs to be work on how we integrate mass biodiversity recovery within the existing agricultural landscape, but this will be the case regardless, whether it's a beaver, tree planting etc etc its needs to go somewhere and it's normally at a cost to agricultural land. It's interesting that thee NFU are largely on board with this approach as well.
I think Natural England will regulate this one closely.
The facts are we need to do something as the current outlook is not good.
The answer is a catchment approach with the rivers as always. I would argue in the upper catchment dams and ponds created by beavers should decrease flash flooding lower in the catchment. It is also well documented now that having beavers in the catchment can have benefits for water quality and does increase the plant and invertebrate diversity in the habitats that they create (such as pools and ponds) or manipulate such as woodland. In this sense it can only be a good thing. Just different from what we know.
Like all protected species there will be a licencing process for beavers. You will be able to remove them if you can demonstrate there is no alternative. There obviously needs to be work on how we integrate mass biodiversity recovery within the existing agricultural landscape, but this will be the case regardless, whether it's a beaver, tree planting etc etc its needs to go somewhere and it's normally at a cost to agricultural land. It's interesting that thee NFU are largely on board with this approach as well.
I think Natural England will regulate this one closely.
The facts are we need to do something as the current outlook is not good.
In reply to Post #25
Good info thanks..
Another issue I'd like to highlight is eco tourism,now we don't want people traipsing all over private land,leaving gates open and damaging crops,and being where they should not ie private land..agricultural land etc..just to see a creature that's been reintroduced..
Like I said,two prominent ,high profile individuals were found by myself on a stretch of river,totally uninvited,not wanted,this is not right..sadly,no apology was forth coming,just the attitude of God given right to walk on someone else's land without permission..
I have found that rewilding is someone else's dream,and that in turn becomes a lot of peoples problem in the future..
I have seen this beforehand,it's potentially OTTER MK 2..,vi's a vi's legislation on the side of rewilding.....I have done lots of research on this,and all the clever buzz words and eco babble is presented..
I'm not convinced,like I mentioned,in Scotland they have a massive problem with them doing damage..its not a fable it's a truth...
Time will tell if once again the rewilding community...get it all wrong,like they seem to do with alarming regularity..
We will see..
Good info thanks..
Another issue I'd like to highlight is eco tourism,now we don't want people traipsing all over private land,leaving gates open and damaging crops,and being where they should not ie private land..agricultural land etc..just to see a creature that's been reintroduced..
Like I said,two prominent ,high profile individuals were found by myself on a stretch of river,totally uninvited,not wanted,this is not right..sadly,no apology was forth coming,just the attitude of God given right to walk on someone else's land without permission..
I have found that rewilding is someone else's dream,and that in turn becomes a lot of peoples problem in the future..
I have seen this beforehand,it's potentially OTTER MK 2..,vi's a vi's legislation on the side of rewilding.....I have done lots of research on this,and all the clever buzz words and eco babble is presented..
I'm not convinced,like I mentioned,in Scotland they have a massive problem with them doing damage..its not a fable it's a truth...
Time will tell if once again the rewilding community...get it all wrong,like they seem to do with alarming regularity..
We will see..
In reply to Post #22
You're right, the lake I fish regularly is in an area where there are wolves.
Wolves don't get close to humans they are scared about us and we aren't preys for them.
They have a lot of wild animals to choose from than to hunt for humans.
I would like to spot one, up to now it isn't happened, I only heard it howling in the distance few times during the night. Only one time I'm quite sure one of them is gotten pretty close, during the night the water level was dropped a while and, in the morning, over the fresh silt there were some paw prints very close to a rod.
I didn't heard nothing even if I was under a brolly without the front.
Others wild animals very rarely get close to humans, it's not simple to see a wild boar, roe deer
are the simplest to spot and the bellow of the deer is the most exciting experience to be into the wilderness during the night.
You're right, the lake I fish regularly is in an area where there are wolves.
Wolves don't get close to humans they are scared about us and we aren't preys for them.
They have a lot of wild animals to choose from than to hunt for humans.
I would like to spot one, up to now it isn't happened, I only heard it howling in the distance few times during the night. Only one time I'm quite sure one of them is gotten pretty close, during the night the water level was dropped a while and, in the morning, over the fresh silt there were some paw prints very close to a rod.
I didn't heard nothing even if I was under a brolly without the front.
Others wild animals very rarely get close to humans, it's not simple to see a wild boar, roe deer
are the simplest to spot and the bellow of the deer is the most exciting experience to be into the wilderness during the night.
In reply to Post #26
Wandle - as we have discussed before - we have differing opinions on rewilding. However, keen to understand what your view (as a resident of the SW who will be witnessing it first hand) is on the ever expanding growing of maize, which clearly damages the environment, especially rivers, far more than a few beavers ever will?
Wandle - as we have discussed before - we have differing opinions on rewilding. However, keen to understand what your view (as a resident of the SW who will be witnessing it first hand) is on the ever expanding growing of maize, which clearly damages the environment, especially rivers, far more than a few beavers ever will?
In reply to Post #28
Funky I can't give an opinion on Maize as I don't know enough to give an opinion..but,I do know a lot of fields have gone maize,one I noticed had a lovely little copse..the farmer,trashed that lovely little safe haven..such a shame to see it ruined..
That's all I know about it..sorry..
Maybe post it up,let others know..I only write about what I see or experience..personally..
Funky I can't give an opinion on Maize as I don't know enough to give an opinion..but,I do know a lot of fields have gone maize,one I noticed had a lovely little copse..the farmer,trashed that lovely little safe haven..such a shame to see it ruined..
That's all I know about it..sorry..
Maybe post it up,let others know..I only write about what I see or experience..personally..
In reply to Post #30
Toronto, maybe I have misunderstood you,but,I saw on YouTube a film showing the opposite of what your saying,I've no reason to disbelieve you however,this film and don't ask me what it waa called as I wouldn't know ..are saying there are problems with damage from them,....just as what the Scottish river keepers are saying..and I've no reason not to disbelieve them as its well known the beaver has caused immense riverside damage..and they are moving them to other parts of the UK..
Similar story to the Isle of Skye movements ,otters,this never happened of course...
Personally, I was shocked at the damage just one has done in such a short window..but that's my own observation, not on YouTube etc..
Toronto, maybe I have misunderstood you,but,I saw on YouTube a film showing the opposite of what your saying,I've no reason to disbelieve you however,this film and don't ask me what it waa called as I wouldn't know ..are saying there are problems with damage from them,....just as what the Scottish river keepers are saying..and I've no reason not to disbelieve them as its well known the beaver has caused immense riverside damage..and they are moving them to other parts of the UK..
Similar story to the Isle of Skye movements ,otters,this never happened of course...
Personally, I was shocked at the damage just one has done in such a short window..but that's my own observation, not on YouTube etc..
In reply to Post #31
Ha Ha. The beavers are coming and when they do they will be here to stay.
Ha Ha. The beavers are coming and when they do they will be here to stay.