In reply to Post #15
Cheese and onion. Fairly safe with that!. Remember its a “best before” 😂
Cheese and onion. Fairly safe with that!. Remember its a “best before” 😂
In reply to Post #13
Ahh, wrong guess it was then:P
Ahh, wrong guess it was then:P
In reply to Post #15
Takes the edge of a bargain I bet, that does, try Primark for the shorts in future lol
I once got one from those rotating vending machines, cheese salad, opened the wrapper, had a bite and thought, that does not taste right, turned it over, the T cake was mouldy, be aware! No discount either ffs
Takes the edge of a bargain I bet, that does, try Primark for the shorts in future lol
I once got one from those rotating vending machines, cheese salad, opened the wrapper, had a bite and thought, that does not taste right, turned it over, the T cake was mouldy, be aware! No discount either ffs
In reply to Post #15
Ha ha ha
Ha ha ha
In reply to Post #19
Like I said on here before, the people who use crap will be found out in the end. The bait industry isn't a fair one. You can be a tiny brand with really good products but left behind by massive brands who produce canary food rolled into little round balls and punt them out as superbaits with heavy marketing. It is why I have always said that everyone must have some basic understanding of bait making to spot the difference and that isn't always easy to do.
Like I said on here before, the people who use crap will be found out in the end. The bait industry isn't a fair one. You can be a tiny brand with really good products but left behind by massive brands who produce canary food rolled into little round balls and punt them out as superbaits with heavy marketing. It is why I have always said that everyone must have some basic understanding of bait making to spot the difference and that isn't always easy to do.
In reply to Post #20
It would be interesting to put the forums BM1 mix thru the process and see what it comes out with.
It would be interesting to put the forums BM1 mix thru the process and see what it comes out with.
In reply to Post #21
Its no secret. BM1 with the Equivite changed to 10g/kg Selenavite E works out as the following (based on the average datasheet values for each ingredient);
54% crude protein
14% oil
20% carbs
Most of the rest is fiber
If you add a few things to it like GLM, liver, squid, krill meal, robin red etc that will change it a little. The mix is very basic to allow some of these things to be added whilst still keeping a high nutritional value.
A 'good' carp diet is normally between 30 and 40% protein depending on the time of year, the paper you are reading and the nature of the lake they are in etc.
When BM1 is put in water the solubles start to leak out. After 10-12 hours they should nearly all be gone (depending how long you cook them for and how big the bait its plus any 'help' from fish nibbling at them). That will drop the remaining protein level to just under 40% as available for digestion.
A big essex bait company lists this information on the packs sent to the EU and they are similar levels to that of the example shown by the OP for some very well known baits.
You can get 'decent' baits like the BM1 from some of the smaller companies if you know what questions to ask they are normally quite obvious.
Its no secret. BM1 with the Equivite changed to 10g/kg Selenavite E works out as the following (based on the average datasheet values for each ingredient);
54% crude protein
14% oil
20% carbs
Most of the rest is fiber
If you add a few things to it like GLM, liver, squid, krill meal, robin red etc that will change it a little. The mix is very basic to allow some of these things to be added whilst still keeping a high nutritional value.
A 'good' carp diet is normally between 30 and 40% protein depending on the time of year, the paper you are reading and the nature of the lake they are in etc.
When BM1 is put in water the solubles start to leak out. After 10-12 hours they should nearly all be gone (depending how long you cook them for and how big the bait its plus any 'help' from fish nibbling at them). That will drop the remaining protein level to just under 40% as available for digestion.
A big essex bait company lists this information on the packs sent to the EU and they are similar levels to that of the example shown by the OP for some very well known baits.
You can get 'decent' baits like the BM1 from some of the smaller companies if you know what questions to ask they are normally quite obvious.
In reply to Post #20
Interesting , tank tested a few super duper wonder cant fail baits against some honest baits and lets just say the super must have crap that's caught carp all over the shop did not perform, read between the lines
Interesting , tank tested a few super duper wonder cant fail baits against some honest baits and lets just say the super must have crap that's caught carp all over the shop did not perform, read between the lines
In reply to Post #23
OH GOTA SAY , shimano boillies what a joke imo
OH GOTA SAY , shimano boillies what a joke imo
I have a customer with a fantastic pond. Lovely little bridge over it to feed the fish from. It's got a nice selection of carp in it. Mirrors and commons up to 30lb and a few upper 20s. These are pond fish and are conditioned to eat what you feed them. They are virtually tame. Last week he said to me once I'd finished the boiler to come and watch something funny. Someone had given him some essential cell. He broke three baits in half with a few pellets. All of the fish bar two completely ignored the ECell. The two that did suck in a half bait ejected them straight away. Not one fish ate even half a bait. And these fish have never seen a rig.
We did chuckle. I did try to film their reaction but the light wasn't right and video isn't great. I will upload it to YouTube later and link to here.
We did chuckle. I did try to film their reaction but the light wasn't right and video isn't great. I will upload it to YouTube later and link to here.
In reply to Post #24
shimano boillies what a joke imo
Got to say, there must be some money in it if Shimano are participating
shimano boillies what a joke imo
Got to say, there must be some money in it if Shimano are participating
In reply to Post #25
My pond carp will eat almost anything. I have not tried loads of commercial boilies on them as I don't have the time or inclination to bother but I have tried a few. A couple of Nash pop-ups they will just not bother even trying, can't remember which ones off the top of my head (they both had squid in the name that much I do remember). I mean they will try a leaf or flower petal if it falls on the water but not these pop-ups!
My pond carp will eat almost anything. I have not tried loads of commercial boilies on them as I don't have the time or inclination to bother but I have tried a few. A couple of Nash pop-ups they will just not bother even trying, can't remember which ones off the top of my head (they both had squid in the name that much I do remember). I mean they will try a leaf or flower petal if it falls on the water but not these pop-ups!
In reply to Post #22
Hi Smurf,
BM1 being a fishmeal is probably a bad comparison. Need to compare a “good” nut mix to theirs.
You cant tell a lot from a base mix just from what's on a packet (apart from when the biggest percentage is breadcrumb!) as so many fishmeal baits are similar to BM1, give or take. It's the quality of the “extra's” that can make the difference.
Another of their baits.
Analytical Analysis Moisture 27.1% Protein 30.3% Fat 7.7% Ash 6.4% Crude Fibre 1.3% Composition CLO, fishmeal, soya flour, GLM, bloodmeal, calf milk, egg products, preservatives and carp attractants
Hi Smurf,
BM1 being a fishmeal is probably a bad comparison. Need to compare a “good” nut mix to theirs.
You cant tell a lot from a base mix just from what's on a packet (apart from when the biggest percentage is breadcrumb!) as so many fishmeal baits are similar to BM1, give or take. It's the quality of the “extra's” that can make the difference.
Another of their baits.
Analytical Analysis Moisture 27.1% Protein 30.3% Fat 7.7% Ash 6.4% Crude Fibre 1.3% Composition CLO, fishmeal, soya flour, GLM, bloodmeal, calf milk, egg products, preservatives and carp attractants
In reply to Post #28
Always amazes me how these baits have been field tested for 3 years and everywhere thay have gone thay were the only baits that caught and have a unique set of attractors in previously never used in boillies, never had it so good, cough
Always amazes me how these baits have been field tested for 3 years and everywhere thay have gone thay were the only baits that caught and have a unique set of attractors in previously never used in boillies,
never had it so good, cough
In reply to Post #26