In reply to Post #14
Confidence is the key
Confidence is the key
In reply to Post #15
I wouldnt call that evolving they just suss it out... Change what everyone is doing on the lake and you start catching them again... Than do it again... Been going on in circles for the whole carp fishing hiatory...
I wouldnt call that evolving they just suss it out... Change what everyone is doing on the lake and you start catching them again... Than do it again... Been going on in circles for the whole carp fishing hiatory...
In reply to Post #13
In tune with its environment. They know everything what is going off
They would eat boilie all day and forever if they wanted it without one bit of caution if they didn't get dragged to the bank by their mouths now and again. I have said before, fish for naive fish, once they know what a boilie is, they will have it. Start giiving them a bad experience and they will associate quickly
If I put some food in my dogs bowl and kicked it in the teeth every time it went to eat it he would soon be cautious, he would probably refuse to eat it, or may just risk eating it when he really, really had to or the temptation overcame his resistance
In the right circumstances, no nuisance species a simple worm takes some beating for me, au natural, number 1 stalking bait
In tune with its environment. They know everything what is going off
They would eat boilie all day and forever if they wanted it without one bit of caution if they didn't get dragged to the bank by their mouths now and again. I have said before, fish for naive fish, once they know what a boilie is, they will have it. Start giiving them a bad experience and they will associate quickly
If I put some food in my dogs bowl and kicked it in the teeth every time it went to eat it he would soon be cautious, he would probably refuse to eat it, or may just risk eating it when he really, really had to or the temptation overcame his resistance
In the right circumstances, no nuisance species a simple worm takes some beating for me, au natural, number 1 stalking bait
Like all animals much of their behaviour is instinctive, we try and tap into this with our watercraft, pre-baiting, etc.
The HNV baits because of the ingredients will release very good signals into the water over a prolonged period and offer the carp something in a very easy package, no wonder they take advantage.
Bait is a strange one, very hard to prove somethings one way or another and must be very confusing for many.
The HNV baits because of the ingredients will release very good signals into the water over a prolonged period and offer the carp something in a very easy package, no wonder they take advantage.
Bait is a strange one, very hard to prove somethings one way or another and must be very confusing for many.
I look at it this way. If my life depended on someone picking up an item from a buffet. Would it be wise for me to just put bacon on every counter? I'm gonna be in trouble if they turn out to be a vegan aren't I. I see carp baits as the same. I want my baits to contain a broad spectrum of ingredients. That way I think that gives me the greatest chance of catching.
It might not be that HNV baits are more successful because they are “healthier” to carp. It might be that they just contain a greater more diverse set of ingredients. So one carp is attracted due to protein from milk fractions, another gets triggered by the aminos from a liquid, maybe another is a sucker for an alcohol flavour, perhaps one picks it up due the fish meal or trace vitamins.
The net result is you catch more carp on the HNV compared to say a basic mix because the basic mix simply has less ingredients and therefore less chance of attracting a wide range of carp.
If you wanted to rack up the most amount of placed horses in a season, you'd place an each way bet on every race. Not just try to pick the winner every race.
It might not be that HNV baits are more successful because they are “healthier” to carp. It might be that they just contain a greater more diverse set of ingredients. So one carp is attracted due to protein from milk fractions, another gets triggered by the aminos from a liquid, maybe another is a sucker for an alcohol flavour, perhaps one picks it up due the fish meal or trace vitamins.
The net result is you catch more carp on the HNV compared to say a basic mix because the basic mix simply has less ingredients and therefore less chance of attracting a wide range of carp.
If you wanted to rack up the most amount of placed horses in a season, you'd place an each way bet on every race. Not just try to pick the winner every race.
In reply to Post #18
In response to the dog comment, my dog will refuse to eat food that she has had bad experience with with. Baker's Complete has given her an upset stomach, now she won't eat it at all.
Carp have different nutrional requirements at different times, and always the first requirement is energy, which can often be supplied by particles and 'crap' baits.
They also like dogs, and humans, have the ability to learn. Keep getting caught on a bait, most baits, they will start to test and eventually avoid it, (hence rig development). Humans don't always learn that high fat MaccyD's (or others) will make them obese if they live on it solely.
Carp have to eat, Survival comes first, over health, or they don't recognise that a particular food like peanuts are not good for them long term.
Baits can work together! Feed Vitalin, a food that provides protein, fats and carbs, and a boilie over the top, then add in the bloodworm, snails etc. that they eat naturally, nature and you could be providing everything they need.
Then we have ease of feeding. A patch of boilies in the winter could provide everything, it is in their face, whereas a bloodworm bed may need to be dug out; energy vs consumption. Digging and eating bloodworm may provide 100calories (example), but use up 50. Eating 5 18mm boilie may provide 150 but only use up 20calories.
Going to Smurf's original post, HNV vs High Protein, I don't think the 2 are the same. I even think of HNV as balanced food source, a mix of protein, fats, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates.
High protein is just protein, and with a binder, carbs, although eggs will provide some fats. The protein content is far higher than the balanced bait or HNV
In response to the dog comment, my dog will refuse to eat food that she has had bad experience with with. Baker's Complete has given her an upset stomach, now she won't eat it at all.
Carp have different nutrional requirements at different times, and always the first requirement is energy, which can often be supplied by particles and 'crap' baits.
They also like dogs, and humans, have the ability to learn. Keep getting caught on a bait, most baits, they will start to test and eventually avoid it, (hence rig development). Humans don't always learn that high fat MaccyD's (or others) will make them obese if they live on it solely.
Carp have to eat, Survival comes first, over health, or they don't recognise that a particular food like peanuts are not good for them long term.
Baits can work together! Feed Vitalin, a food that provides protein, fats and carbs, and a boilie over the top, then add in the bloodworm, snails etc. that they eat naturally, nature and you could be providing everything they need.
Then we have ease of feeding. A patch of boilies in the winter could provide everything, it is in their face, whereas a bloodworm bed may need to be dug out; energy vs consumption. Digging and eating bloodworm may provide 100calories (example), but use up 50. Eating 5 18mm boilie may provide 150 but only use up 20calories.
Going to Smurf's original post, HNV vs High Protein, I don't think the 2 are the same. I even think of HNV as balanced food source, a mix of protein, fats, vitamins and minerals and carbohydrates.
High protein is just protein, and with a binder, carbs, although eggs will provide some fats. The protein content is far higher than the balanced bait or HNV
In reply to Post #21
Just as an example , I use pellets to feed my koi
The company that supplied them have changed their ingredients under pressure
to reduce the inclusion of fishmeal
The overall protein content is still the same , but my koi won't eat it
So maybe koi or carp would first have to enjoy eating it
And then maybe the HNV theory could come into play
I myself believe there is some mileage in HNV baits
As already said “ most bait these days are quality” isn't anymore true
Than it was twenty years ago , and before everyone jumps down my throat lol
In twenty years time we will laugh at our current baits
And putting it in the right place , like any other fishing theory is dependant on this same
common get out clause 😂
Just as an example , I use pellets to feed my koi
The company that supplied them have changed their ingredients under pressure
to reduce the inclusion of fishmeal
The overall protein content is still the same , but my koi won't eat it
So maybe koi or carp would first have to enjoy eating it
And then maybe the HNV theory could come into play
I myself believe there is some mileage in HNV baits
As already said “ most bait these days are quality” isn't anymore true
Than it was twenty years ago , and before everyone jumps down my throat lol
In twenty years time we will laugh at our current baits
And putting it in the right place , like any other fishing theory is dependant on this same
common get out clause 😂