In reply to Post #8
But take into account the postage and the bottle it's supplied in...
As has been said below, it works out much better to buy these in smaller bottles for things like Hookbaits or a bit of paste, than to buy a large bottle and end up wasting it.
I think it's a great idea.
But take into account the postage and the bottle it's supplied in...
As has been said below, it works out much better to buy these in smaller bottles for things like Hookbaits or a bit of paste, than to buy a large bottle and end up wasting it.
I think it's a great idea.
In reply to Post #16
Postage is another £3.85
Postage is another £3.85
In reply to Post #17
Ouch. That's a lot for a jiffy envelope.
Ouch. That's a lot for a jiffy envelope.
In reply to Post #17
Beat me to it, Boo!
Ok, firstly before anyone throws their toys out the pram - Johns flavours are amongst the best available, and the idea of doing 'samples' is a good idea.
But the cost of his products are ridiculous. Putting aside the issue of postage here on the samples...look at the other products. His base mixes, even at the 5kg bags, are a minimum of £11 per kilo, for example.
The worst example of profiteering is the Shrimp extract - which is EXACTLY the same as Bacarel's. If you wanted to buy a litre of John's, including postage, you would pay £27.83.
Bacarel's is £38 for 5 litres, equating to £7.60 per litre, as it is post free.
To quote Mr Lydon "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"........
Beat me to it, Boo!
Ok, firstly before anyone throws their toys out the pram - Johns flavours are amongst the best available, and the idea of doing 'samples' is a good idea.
But the cost of his products are ridiculous. Putting aside the issue of postage here on the samples...look at the other products. His base mixes, even at the 5kg bags, are a minimum of £11 per kilo, for example.
The worst example of profiteering is the Shrimp extract - which is EXACTLY the same as Bacarel's. If you wanted to buy a litre of John's, including postage, you would pay £27.83.
Bacarel's is £38 for 5 litres, equating to £7.60 per litre, as it is post free.
To quote Mr Lydon "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"........
In reply to Post #19
Quality products. Lots of carp tax.
Quality products. Lots of carp tax.
In reply to Post #19
100% agree on this sorry. They may be good but that's overly expensive. Catchit labs flavours don't boil out and catch fish at 20£ a litre.
100% agree on this sorry. They may be good but that's overly expensive. Catchit labs flavours don't boil out and catch fish at 20£ a litre.
In reply to Post #19
I'm not sure it's profiteering,
On the volumes he sells he may need to charge a high mark up to make the business work.
Also, he has put decades of experience into sourcing the right ingredients. I can use Google or Alibaba to find cheaper options but are they as good? Some almost certainly will be, but with limited time and experience I can be sure by buying from him.
Obviously if you know that what he sells is identical to X at a fraction of the price, then it makes sense to buy the identical cheaper product. But many of us have no idea which is the right plum flavour to buy from a wholesaler and when we buy from John we are buying his product and his knowledge.
I'm not sure it's profiteering,
On the volumes he sells he may need to charge a high mark up to make the business work.
Also, he has put decades of experience into sourcing the right ingredients. I can use Google or Alibaba to find cheaper options but are they as good? Some almost certainly will be, but with limited time and experience I can be sure by buying from him.
Obviously if you know that what he sells is identical to X at a fraction of the price, then it makes sense to buy the identical cheaper product. But many of us have no idea which is the right plum flavour to buy from a wholesaler and when we buy from John we are buying his product and his knowledge.
Do you think it's too dear? Well don't buy it then.
'Blatant profiteering'? It's not the bloody Covid vaccine. It's stuff to make your bait smell. There are cheaper alternatives.
Lets not pretend the hundreds of little envelopes of plastic rig bits for 3 or 4 quid a go represent value for money.
'Blatant profiteering'? It's not the bloody Covid vaccine. It's stuff to make your bait smell. There are cheaper alternatives.
Lets not pretend the hundreds of little envelopes of plastic rig bits for 3 or 4 quid a go represent value for money.
In reply to Post #23
Or the £80 distance sticks, or the £1000 bivvies, or the bait or the camo buckets 🤫
Or the £80 distance sticks, or the £1000 bivvies, or the bait or the camo buckets 🤫
In reply to Post #24
Now you are just being silly. Everyone knows that if you use a white bucket for spodding then the fish will see it and refuse to get caught.
Now you are just being silly. Everyone knows that if you use a white bucket for spodding then the fish will see it and refuse to get caught.
In reply to Post #23
Catch it labs prices: 50ml for £4.95 (cost per litre of £99) or buy 1 litre for £19 are they profiteering also?
Buy smaller quantities and pay a premium its the same in any walk of life. I bought the mrs 50ml of perfume for xmas it cost £60 i could buy 100ml for £75, some costs remain consistent regardless of quantity sold.
Seems to me someone has a beef with JB baits in general, if not why single out them when every bait and tackle company on the market has extortionately high margins., At least with JB you know you are getting quality for the price unlike many others i could mention....
Catch it labs prices: 50ml for £4.95 (cost per litre of £99) or buy 1 litre for £19 are they profiteering also?
Buy smaller quantities and pay a premium its the same in any walk of life. I bought the mrs 50ml of perfume for xmas it cost £60 i could buy 100ml for £75, some costs remain consistent regardless of quantity sold.
Seems to me someone has a beef with JB baits in general, if not why single out them when every bait and tackle company on the market has extortionately high margins., At least with JB you know you are getting quality for the price unlike many others i could mention....
In reply to Post #26
Exactly.
I'd rather get a couple of these smaller bottles to use in my expensive milk protein winter bait, which I don't use a lot of, then buy fresh again next year. Better than having a selection of barely used old flavours in your fridge .. like I have.
Exactly.
I'd rather get a couple of these smaller bottles to use in my expensive milk protein winter bait, which I don't use a lot of, then buy fresh again next year. Better than having a selection of barely used old flavours in your fridge .. like I have.
In reply to Post #19
Will that be the same shrimp extract that bacarel are selling for £10.95 for 600g? Granted it gets cheaper if you buy more (sound familiar) but 600g is not so different to the 11.99 JB charges for 500g.
Another company in your eyes ''profiteering'' and its the very same company you chose to compare to JB in evidence of over pricing
Will that be the same shrimp extract that bacarel are selling for £10.95 for 600g? Granted it gets cheaper if you buy more (sound familiar) but 600g is not so different to the 11.99 JB charges for 500g.
Another company in your eyes ''profiteering'' and its the very same company you chose to compare to JB in evidence of over pricing
In reply to Post #28
It is yes, but it's post free, so still over a fiver cheaper once the JB postage is added. It's a shame that John doesn't do larger bottles, so I've used one comparison, that's all. 500ml of the stuff isn't going to last long anyway.
What did I say about people throwing their toys out of the pram?
As I said earlier, his flavours, in my view, are excellent. Just overpriced.
And as regards Jon's comment about 4 quid for a bit of plastic I am in total agreement. The problem is that carp anglers are gullible. They get told they have to drop their lead (by a lead manufacturer), that they need to change their hook after every fish (by a hook supplier), and that hook has to be sharpened out of the packet, as even at 50p each hook, its still not adequate, then because the point is so thin, after it touches a lump of gravel and burrs over, it has to be thrown away, and the whole stupid process is repeated. Etc etc etc.
It is yes, but it's post free, so still over a fiver cheaper once the JB postage is added. It's a shame that John doesn't do larger bottles, so I've used one comparison, that's all. 500ml of the stuff isn't going to last long anyway.
What did I say about people throwing their toys out of the pram?
As I said earlier, his flavours, in my view, are excellent. Just overpriced.
And as regards Jon's comment about 4 quid for a bit of plastic I am in total agreement. The problem is that carp anglers are gullible. They get told they have to drop their lead (by a lead manufacturer), that they need to change their hook after every fish (by a hook supplier), and that hook has to be sharpened out of the packet, as even at 50p each hook, its still not adequate, then because the point is so thin, after it touches a lump of gravel and burrs over, it has to be thrown away, and the whole stupid process is repeated. Etc etc etc.
In reply to Post #29
No toy chucking here just trying to add some balance to your claims as they are clearly bias judging by the examples you have given.
You cant call out solely JB for over pricing when Bacarel a company you imply offer good value charge around the same for a similar amount of liquid.
No toy chucking here just trying to add some balance to your claims as they are clearly bias judging by the examples you have given.
You cant call out solely JB for over pricing when Bacarel a company you imply offer good value charge around the same for a similar amount of liquid.