In reply to Post #4
How about if they roll the price back to what Richworth charged in 2014? ... £10.99 a kilo for Frozen Tutti
https://issuu.com/tigerbay/docs/the-tackle-box-catalogue-2014/84
And from I remember in the late 80's they were £5 for 500g!
How about if they roll the price back to what Richworth charged in 2014? ... £10.99 a kilo for Frozen Tutti
https://issuu.com/tigerbay/docs/the-tackle-box-catalogue-2014/84
And from I remember in the late 80's they were £5 for 500g!
In reply to Post #16
It is amazing how the real cost of bait still goes down year on year. I would love to remember what I paid for my first bag of frozen Richworth in about 1988 (a small bag at that)
That bag lasted me a whole summer of fishing with ease 
It is amazing how the real cost of bait still goes down year on year. I would love to remember what I paid for my first bag of frozen Richworth in about 1988 (a small bag at that)
That bag lasted me a whole summer of fishing with ease
In reply to Post #17
From memory, I used to buy Richworth for £5 for a 500g bag in 1988 from Bob Morris Tackle, or "£5.50, £5 for cash" at The Tackle Box
And Premier Fishmix bought from Geoff direct from his van was £4 a kilo for basemix, £5 for 500ml of Fish Feed Inducing Oil, and £10 for 500ml of Nodd Oil. I think that Ni Nu Val was about £10 a kilo for basemix.
I have no idea why everyone now thinks that a decent bait should be £5 rolled with attractors now, especially as the pound is so much weaker today for buying ingredients that are imported.
From memory, I used to buy Richworth for £5 for a 500g bag in 1988 from Bob Morris Tackle, or "£5.50, £5 for cash" at The Tackle Box
And Premier Fishmix bought from Geoff direct from his van was £4 a kilo for basemix, £5 for 500ml of Fish Feed Inducing Oil, and £10 for 500ml of Nodd Oil. I think that Ni Nu Val was about £10 a kilo for basemix.
I have no idea why everyone now thinks that a decent bait should be £5 rolled with attractors now, especially as the pound is so much weaker today for buying ingredients that are imported.
In reply to Post #16
Exactly 👍
Exactly 👍
In reply to Post #18
Exactly
Exactly
In reply to Post #18
So £11 / kg in 1988 (RRP, not counting what cash deals you could get...my local shop didn't do cash deals) is the same as £17 in 2020. Any baits you can think of that cost £17/kg now?
As you say why do people now expect a decent bait for less?
In 1988 I purchased my second carbon carp rod. It was a top of the range Daiwa and cost me £99.99. That's £153 in today's money and yet people will spend well over £200 on a rod no problem
Not saying you shouldn't spend what you want on a rod but if you have to cut you spending somewhere then why on the bait?
So £11 / kg in 1988 (RRP, not counting what cash deals you could get...my local shop didn't do cash deals) is the same as £17 in 2020. Any baits you can think of that cost £17/kg now?
As you say why do people now expect a decent bait for less?
In 1988 I purchased my second carbon carp rod. It was a top of the range Daiwa and cost me £99.99. That's £153 in today's money and yet people will spend well over £200 on a rod no problem
Not saying you shouldn't spend what you want on a rod but if you have to cut you spending somewhere then why on the bait?
In reply to Post #21
Economy of scale and very different markets competition wise
How many tonnes were richworth moving then compared to one of the bigger companies now?
Economy of scale and very different markets competition wise
How many tonnes were richworth moving then compared to one of the bigger companies now?
Why are people comparing a soya/semo bait of years gone by to a new bait containing 13 ingredients, including 5 bird foods, 3 soluble milk proteins, 2 calf milk powders and a culture, just because they are both tutti fruity flavour. 
In reply to Post #23
There was more in tutti than semo and soya
There was more in tutti than semo and soya
In reply to Post #24
Yes. PRUTEEN, and a good sweetener.
But times change, the markets change, and ingredient supply chains change, and the tackle box have brought out their version.
I will have to check it out shortly, next time I'm in there.
Yes. PRUTEEN, and a good sweetener.
But times change, the markets change, and ingredient supply chains change, and the tackle box have brought out their version.
I will have to check it out shortly, next time I'm in there.
In reply to Post #22
Also different ingredients have gone up by much more than inflation. There used to be a massive surplus of milks, for example. Grains are much more expensive due to population growth and failing crops. Fish meals much more in demand due to fish farming........
Also different ingredients have gone up by much more than inflation. There used to be a massive surplus of milks, for example. Grains are much more expensive due to population growth and failing crops. Fish meals much more in demand due to fish farming........
In reply to Post #26
Yep, All these seasonal, and ongoing price changes have to be factored into the end cost of the effective bait, and still make a profit for it the be viable.
Maize, Ground rice used to be so cheap.
Look at the cost of real eggs now, basic egg biscuit birdfoods used to be cheap. Cede varies from £4 - £7 a kilo,
Robin red/ Spanish peppers are now as dear as High end milk proteins.
Years ago The cheese making process farmers with liquid whey, left a by-product, which at that time was almost a waste product, couldn't give it away. Cheese was the goal.
Then some clever wiz discovered you could use it to make a rather useful whey protein, which proved very popular for sports and Fitness, so maximising profits and minimalizing waste.
Yep, All these seasonal, and ongoing price changes have to be factored into the end cost of the effective bait, and still make a profit for it the be viable.
Maize, Ground rice used to be so cheap.
Look at the cost of real eggs now, basic egg biscuit birdfoods used to be cheap. Cede varies from £4 - £7 a kilo,
Robin red/ Spanish peppers are now as dear as High end milk proteins.
Years ago The cheese making process farmers with liquid whey, left a by-product, which at that time was almost a waste product, couldn't give it away. Cheese was the goal.
Then some clever wiz discovered you could use it to make a rather useful whey protein, which proved very popular for sports and Fitness, so maximising profits and minimalizing waste.
In reply to Post #21
With regards to people spending £200 on a rod, reel, tackle etc but wanting to pay £6 a kilo rather than £11 a kilo comes down to the fact when they finish their session they go home with their rod, reel etc but not their £11 a kilo bait
With regards to people spending £200 on a rod, reel, tackle etc but wanting to pay £6 a kilo rather than £11 a kilo comes down to the fact when they finish their session they go home with their rod, reel etc but not their £11 a kilo bait
In reply to Post #28
For me it ain't got anything to do with price of rod reel etc I no that the bait I'm on at 6 pound is a good bait it a lot more if I had to pay postage and didn't buy in bulk but like said before it could beamed at the walk in angler who only want a kilo every now and then and u would pay the same for other baits they could do a deal on bulk has any one asked
For me it ain't got anything to do with price of rod reel etc I no that the bait I'm on at 6 pound is a good bait it a lot more if I had to pay postage and didn't buy in bulk but like said before it could beamed at the walk in angler who only want a kilo every now and then and u would pay the same for other baits they could do a deal on bulk has any one asked
In reply to Post #28
This is a great point
How many bait boilers have coined the the line ‘people will think nothing of spending £200 on the latest rod but won't pay £8 a kilo for bait'
Don't know about you guys but I don't throw a rod in the lake twice a year, but I will spend more than £400 on bait every 12 months
Also a great point on the fact that a mainstream bait was also £10 a kilo 20 years ago, not a chance that the ingredients are still the same price so margins, although still decent with scale, are nowhere near what they were.
This is a great point
How many bait boilers have coined the the line ‘people will think nothing of spending £200 on the latest rod but won't pay £8 a kilo for bait'
Don't know about you guys but I don't throw a rod in the lake twice a year, but I will spend more than £400 on bait every 12 months
Also a great point on the fact that a mainstream bait was also £10 a kilo 20 years ago, not a chance that the ingredients are still the same price so margins, although still decent with scale, are nowhere near what they were.