In reply to Post #15
If you read the contents on the back of the bag most of them are loaded with Rice Flour which has virtually NO nutritional value at all and is VERY cheap to buy in bulk
If you read the contents on the back of the bag most of them are loaded with Rice Flour which has virtually NO nutritional value at all and is VERY cheap to buy in bulk
In reply to Post #15
simple. Cost and margin. If he upgraded the baits to the sort of ingredients in say ABS's Hydra K, he'ld have to charge £12 - 15 a kilo to make the same margin as they can make making them from sub standard ingredients at the current selling price.
simple. Cost and margin. If he upgraded the baits to the sort of ingredients in say ABS's Hydra K, he'ld have to charge £12 - 15 a kilo to make the same margin as they can make making them from sub standard ingredients at the current selling price.
In reply to Post #17
Don't you think that we as consumers have a part to play?
Don't you think that we as consumers have a part to play?
We are talking about the instant action range, it's not meant to be of great nutritional value, surely it is relying on the attractors in the bait to do the work. Never used these baits as I make my own including high attract baits but what I have found is that Nash attractors are very good and I have used several of them over the years very successfully.
If these attractors are in the instant attraction range I would expect them to do what they say on the label.
If these attractors are in the instant attraction range I would expect them to do what they say on the label.
In reply to Post #19
thing is anyone with any knowledge of bait at all knows that a decent attractor on its own isn't that great a fish catcher. A decent attractor on a decent base - different gravy. Even if fishing singles.
thing is anyone with any knowledge of bait at all knows that a decent attractor on its own isn't that great a fish catcher. A decent attractor on a decent base - different gravy. Even if fishing singles.
In reply to Post #20
If your talking about a quick day session, especially this time of year then I'll disagree with you. For a quick few bites a good attractor package, powders and liquids are all you need in freebies and hook bait.
Completely different if your on a longer session and different answer again if you are on a campaign but for quick hits attraction will suffice.
And I've been experimenting and making baits longer than I care to admit...
If your talking about a quick day session, especially this time of year then I'll disagree with you. For a quick few bites a good attractor package, powders and liquids are all you need in freebies and hook bait.
Completely different if your on a longer session and different answer again if you are on a campaign but for quick hits attraction will suffice.
And I've been experimenting and making baits longer than I care to admit...
In reply to Post #21
But even at £9 a kilo, he must be producing it for less than £2 a kg. For the fishes welfare surely For the sake of a few Ingrediants and a £1 more it could be improved massively. The ones I've seen were like bullets. I don't mind a firm bait that breaks down quick but these things would penetrate a tank.
But even at £9 a kilo, he must be producing it for less than £2 a kg. For the fishes welfare surely For the sake of a few Ingrediants and a £1 more it could be improved massively. The ones I've seen were like bullets. I don't mind a firm bait that breaks down quick but these things would penetrate a tank.
In reply to Post #22
decent powders and liquids Christian - I sort of agree.
decent powders and liquids in these baits?
decent powders and liquids Christian - I sort of agree.
decent powders and liquids in these baits?
In reply to Post #21
I thought that. surely a bait containing the squid extract, krill and shellfish sense appeal would be ok as an attractor bait thats why i bought it. Sadly it really didnt work for me and would most definitely not buy again.
I thought that. surely a bait containing the squid extract, krill and shellfish sense appeal would be ok as an attractor bait thats why i bought it. Sadly it really didnt work for me and would most definitely not buy again.
In reply to Post #24
see that's what i am getting at - put those three in a decent fishmeal mix and you're on a winner. Put it on a load of rice / semo "crap" and it just doesn't work.
see that's what i am getting at - put those three in a decent fishmeal mix and you're on a winner. Put it on a load of rice / semo "crap" and it just doesn't work.
In reply to Post #23
Agree possibly skimping on the important ingredients. Haven't looked at any labels recently but the tangerine dream and the strawberry crush looked to have reasonable attraction package, although cannot comment on the others... or if the levels are high enough
Agree possibly skimping on the important ingredients. Haven't looked at any labels recently but the tangerine dream and the strawberry crush looked to have reasonable attraction package, although cannot comment on the others... or if the levels are high enough
In reply to Post #20
Couldn't agree more matt, a well balanced bait with decent attractors will out fish a crap mix with decent attractors every time
Couldn't agree more matt, a well balanced bait with decent attractors will out fish a crap mix with decent attractors every time
In reply to Post #20
Spot on.
Spot on.
Interesting reading this thread. Couple of years ago now I bought 40kg, perfect for where I was fishing, a nature reserve. Had 2 fish and lost 2 in just over a month from a virtually un fished water that I suspected had carp in it. I was fishing it every Sunday morning or Wednesday evening once a week pending where else I was fishing, put a bit in though 
Bought it because it was cheap, nice and visual and the fish have never seen much bait, Nash bait works for me and Gary Baynes knows more about bait than me. Nope, it's not a super nutritional bait compared with others, it's an attractor for some instant action lol
Use with confidence
Bought it because it was cheap, nice and visual and the fish have never seen much bait, Nash bait works for me and Gary Baynes knows more about bait than me. Nope, it's not a super nutritional bait compared with others, it's an attractor for some instant action lol
Use with confidence
In reply to Post #29
I strongly suspect that you would have caught more with a better bait. Good angling though, sounds like fun.
I strongly suspect that you would have caught more with a better bait. Good angling though, sounds like fun.