In reply to Post #15
And made worse by too much bait going in, not getting eaten, so it goes rotten and the water quality gets worse, so no body catches anything, so some noddy thinks they'll get the lake going by putting loads of bait in, and the circle starts all over again
And made worse by too much bait going in, not getting eaten, so it goes rotten and the water quality gets worse, so no body catches anything, so some noddy thinks they'll get the lake going by putting loads of bait in, and the circle starts all over again
In reply to Post #13
Good man that man
This isn't aimed at you mate but I very rarely see any advice re margins and deoxygenation at this time of year, ie, hot temps. I was given the riot act turning up to a French water early 0's as the previous U.K guys had sacked mid am and not woken until lunch, result dead Carp to upper 30s across 3 double pegs :-(
Good man that man
This isn't aimed at you mate but I very rarely see any advice re margins and deoxygenation at this time of year, ie, hot temps. I was given the riot act turning up to a French water early 0's as the previous U.K guys had sacked mid am and not woken until lunch, result dead Carp to upper 30s across 3 double pegs :-(
In reply to Post #1
Just got to take time to nurse them back to health. Barbel turn belly up almost every time as they give absolutely everything during a fight. It sometimes takes 10 minutes to get their strength back.
Carp are different, usually a lot more hardy and I'm not having a go because you've done nothing different to pretty much everyone else, but I've always cringed at the amount of time they're kept out of water when watching videos etc.
Just got to take time to nurse them back to health. Barbel turn belly up almost every time as they give absolutely everything during a fight. It sometimes takes 10 minutes to get their strength back.
Carp are different, usually a lot more hardy and I'm not having a go because you've done nothing different to pretty much everyone else, but I've always cringed at the amount of time they're kept out of water when watching videos etc.
In reply to Post #18
I rigged up a live bait pump I could clip to a landing net pole for my barbel fishing, a lot of the time you can't get down to water level and this makes a huge difference to recovery times in summer. I can also fit it to my carp recovery sling. Particularly helpful in shallow weedy margins where the oxygen levels plummet at night
I think chub make a sling with a pump built in, not seen it advertised for a while tho
I rigged up a live bait pump I could clip to a landing net pole for my barbel fishing, a lot of the time you can't get down to water level and this makes a huge difference to recovery times in summer. I can also fit it to my carp recovery sling. Particularly helpful in shallow weedy margins where the oxygen levels plummet at night
I think chub make a sling with a pump built in, not seen it advertised for a while tho
In reply to Post #16
Yes m8,totally agree with that😡
Yes m8,totally agree with that😡
In reply to Post #16
Used to go for a week at a time. Incredible that one turns up to fish for a day/night and puts in kilos and kilos of bait. He leaves and in moves the next person doing exactly the same. Repeat to fade. Got sick n tired of seeing it but considering they were breaking no rules nothing could be said. Personally I think it's sickening to see.
Used to go for a week at a time. Incredible that one turns up to fish for a day/night and puts in kilos and kilos of bait. He leaves and in moves the next person doing exactly the same. Repeat to fade. Got sick n tired of seeing it but considering they were breaking no rules nothing could be said. Personally I think it's sickening to see.
In reply to Post #21
Having kept koi and learnt a lot about water quality, I appreciate how much potential harm can be done by over feeding this time of year, when oxygen levels are low.
So I always err on the cautious side and just put a little in for a start then take it from there. I always remember the point that once it's in the lake you can't take it out again.
Having kept koi and learnt a lot about water quality, I appreciate how much potential harm can be done by over feeding this time of year, when oxygen levels are low.
So I always err on the cautious side and just put a little in for a start then take it from there. I always remember the point that once it's in the lake you can't take it out again.
In reply to Post #19
Good idea that mate.
In my experience the biggest problem with barbel comes from people using light gear and playing the poor things for half an hour or so. I've not had too much trouble with barbel going back, but I use quite strong gear...but I always give them a rest in the net before unhooking and before returning, I think the rest before unhooking is crucial with barbel but don't see many doing it.
Good idea that mate.
In my experience the biggest problem with barbel comes from people using light gear and playing the poor things for half an hour or so. I've not had too much trouble with barbel going back, but I use quite strong gear...but I always give them a rest in the net before unhooking and before returning, I think the rest before unhooking is crucial with barbel but don't see many doing it.
In reply to Post #23
Very true that, I had a run of catching them while trotting pellets tp pick out the better roach/chub, then on another stretch fishing for them, all of the safe returning spots were in slack water separated from the flow by big clumps of weed in summer. A few long releases later it was either find a better way or avoid the river at the most productive time of year. It works a bit too well during the rest period before unhooking, they can recover a bit too much and scrap on the bank, I've kind of learned to guage it now how long to give them so there strong but not going mental on the bank
I've not spoken much about using it for carp, among the first few people I told one lad asked "so you can leave them in there for a few hours then mate", that made me wonder a bit about people leaving fish in slings for extended periods because they think its fine with the extra oxygen
Very true that, I had a run of catching them while trotting pellets tp pick out the better roach/chub, then on another stretch fishing for them, all of the safe returning spots were in slack water separated from the flow by big clumps of weed in summer. A few long releases later it was either find a better way or avoid the river at the most productive time of year. It works a bit too well during the rest period before unhooking, they can recover a bit too much and scrap on the bank, I've kind of learned to guage it now how long to give them so there strong but not going mental on the bank
I've not spoken much about using it for carp, among the first few people I told one lad asked "so you can leave them in there for a few hours then mate", that made me wonder a bit about people leaving fish in slings for extended periods because they think its fine with the extra oxygen
In reply to Post #24
Fair point.
Incidentally I always rest carp as well after la ding them, 5 mi utes in the net before I u hook them and put them in the Retainer.
Fair point.
Incidentally I always rest carp as well after la ding them, 5 mi utes in the net before I u hook them and put them in the Retainer.
In reply to Post #23
Heavy Barbel gear (12lb line, 2.25 rods), always rest them in the net before unhooking and I don't keep them out long (2 photos and that's it). It's just down to the time of year and water temps, any warmer than now and I won't fish for them until it cools.
Heavy Barbel gear (12lb line, 2.25 rods), always rest them in the net before unhooking and I don't keep them out long (2 photos and that's it). It's just down to the time of year and water temps, any warmer than now and I won't fish for them until it cools.
In reply to Post #26
I caught a carp few years ago... during the fight, a good scrap indeed, at least until I got the carp to the surface and it take the first breath of air. After that moment the fish wasn't able to dive properly under water and fought trashing the surface. After netted and take some pics, when I release it, the carp swam only to the surface, when i pushed it underwater it come up and floating like a buoy. Apparently a bladder issue. I managed to solve the problem moving the fish in the water, trying to oxygenate it, pushing gently the belly in an attempt to get the bladder release the air, nothing, it continue to float. After 45 minutes the carp swam away in open water always showing the back and the tail out of the water swimming back and forth in front of my swim for at least 20 minutes then disappeared down, when it released the air trapped in its swim bladder.
It was a strange experience and was afraid the fish could had died.
I heard grass carp often suffer bladder issue when they rest too much out of the water.
It was a strange experience and was afraid the fish could had died.
I heard grass carp often suffer bladder issue when they rest too much out of the water.
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