In reply to Post #15
But all of these high profile projects start with a massive but 'just about' acceptable budget. However, they all rise and we are drip fed the additional costs. Eventually the public realises it's way too expensive but, by then, it's gone far enough to make sense (to politicians) to push it forward.
Look at the Millennium Dome - Tony Blairs great edifice for humanity. They should have put a trunk and tusks on it.
It's long been said that government is way too important to be run by politicians and as long as the money they spend is ours and not theirs, it shall remain ever thus.
But all of these high profile projects start with a massive but 'just about' acceptable budget. However, they all rise and we are drip fed the additional costs. Eventually the public realises it's way too expensive but, by then, it's gone far enough to make sense (to politicians) to push it forward.
Look at the Millennium Dome - Tony Blairs great edifice for humanity. They should have put a trunk and tusks on it.
It's long been said that government is way too important to be run by politicians and as long as the money they spend is ours and not theirs, it shall remain ever thus.
Hopefully it'll be right in the path of my daughters home............... 
I work for a company that is in a JV with two other companies and they were awarded Lot C1 which is for the Chilterns Tunnels and Colne Valley Viaduct......
I was asked if I would like to join that project as I've got experience on the Railways/Underground.
I told them I would rather quit than work on that project.
Never fished the Valley, never lived there either just don't agree with it. I've worked on bypass's/new road builds in the past and the devastation to the surrounding land put me off working on any project like that ever again.
I was asked if I would like to join that project as I've got experience on the Railways/Underground.
I told them I would rather quit than work on that project.
Never fished the Valley, never lived there either just don't agree with it. I've worked on bypass's/new road builds in the past and the devastation to the surrounding land put me off working on any project like that ever again.
In reply to Post #18
Good on you mate.
Good on you mate.
In reply to Post #18
if only they were all like you mate.
if only they were all like you mate.
In reply to Post #8
Heritage is made, as this will be.
I used to be against HS2, mainly for reasons repeated below. Get it done now is my view. Boris can surely come up with somekind of catchy "Get HS2 done" and you'll all forget the issues and start chanting the mantra
Heritage is made, as this will be.
I used to be against HS2, mainly for reasons repeated below. Get it done now is my view. Boris can surely come up with somekind of catchy "Get HS2 done" and you'll all forget the issues and start chanting the mantra
In reply to Post #18
Regarding the devastation,I travel North Via the A1 /A14 corridor a few times a year... what a hideous blot/scar on the landscape it is now..from gently undulating land to a flat and desolate fieldscape. Yes something needed to be done but at what cost? I appreciate nature is / will to a degree slowly reclaim what was lost but even so its not pretty..
Regarding the devastation,I travel North Via the A1 /A14 corridor a few times a year... what a hideous blot/scar on the landscape it is now..from gently undulating land to a flat and desolate fieldscape. Yes something needed to be done but at what cost? I appreciate nature is / will to a degree slowly reclaim what was lost but even so its not pretty..
In reply to Post #22
Nothing needed to be done regarding train travel between the north and London. As things stand, it only takes two hours to London from Runcorn or Warrington, three hours from Newcastle, and most of us only make that journey once in a while, or a blue moon. What really ought to be happening is to spend the equivalent budget on many, many small and local transport projects, plus sort out the busiest commuter routes, as well as the ridiculous pricing system in place for when people do travel between the north and south. That would serve the population far, far better than this utter farce. I'd love to know who is benefitting along the way, in what manner, and on what basis, because it ain't us lot, and it certainly ain't any flora and fauna.
Nothing needed to be done regarding train travel between the north and London. As things stand, it only takes two hours to London from Runcorn or Warrington, three hours from Newcastle, and most of us only make that journey once in a while, or a blue moon. What really ought to be happening is to spend the equivalent budget on many, many small and local transport projects, plus sort out the busiest commuter routes, as well as the ridiculous pricing system in place for when people do travel between the north and south. That would serve the population far, far better than this utter farce. I'd love to know who is benefitting along the way, in what manner, and on what basis, because it ain't us lot, and it certainly ain't any flora and fauna.
In reply to Post #21
Awww still so salty 😂
Awww still so salty 😂
Someone needs to ask what sort of timescale is envisaged for this sack of **** to be profitable and if given an estimation you may just be able to work out the ticket cost.
I'm reckoning about 200 quid per journey.
So, people will drive or fly.
Waste of money and a vanity project to allow a few to make a fortune at the little peoples expense.
Load of arse.
I'm reckoning about 200 quid per journey.
So, people will drive or fly.
Waste of money and a vanity project to allow a few to make a fortune at the little peoples expense.
Load of arse.
In reply to Post #23
I know what you're saying Toddy and completely understand. It's not the time the journey takes its the frequency of the trains and capacity. 14 trains an hour out of Manchester to the overcrowded awful south and 14 from Euston to our mersey paradise. 1100 space's per train if demand is high enough for extra coaches.
Everyone knows the problems that upgraded regional roads make when they hit the M6/M1. Huge congestion until they make the Motorway wider. That's effectively what they are doing with HS2. Time will tell if they also sort the regional routes out cause without those it is all pointless.
Mainly because most goods come across the channel then need to move up the country. Conversely most UK goods are manufactured in the Midlands/North and move to southern ports. Perhaps Brexit will alter where goods come through and other ports regionally will take over from the south.
I know what you're saying Toddy and completely understand. It's not the time the journey takes its the frequency of the trains and capacity. 14 trains an hour out of Manchester to the overcrowded awful south and 14 from Euston to our mersey paradise. 1100 space's per train if demand is high enough for extra coaches.
Everyone knows the problems that upgraded regional roads make when they hit the M6/M1. Huge congestion until they make the Motorway wider. That's effectively what they are doing with HS2. Time will tell if they also sort the regional routes out cause without those it is all pointless.
Mainly because most goods come across the channel then need to move up the country. Conversely most UK goods are manufactured in the Midlands/North and move to southern ports. Perhaps Brexit will alter where goods come through and other ports regionally will take over from the south.
In reply to Post #17
In reply to Post #24
Get onboard, let's get it done, all pull together, it's in the national interest, the government's been democratically elected and all that...
Get onboard, let's get it done, all pull together, it's in the national interest, the government's been democratically elected and all that...
In reply to Post #28
I detect a slight hint of RemAnus in your obviously sarcastic reply 😂
I detect a slight hint of RemAnus in your obviously sarcastic reply 😂
In reply to Post #29
Do I detect a large dollop of Brexit virus in your obviously pointless reply? Get onboard Clanger. We're all in it together, rough with the smooth, there'll be a few bumps in the road for some with HS2. But I'm now a firm believer in the prevalent fcuk em mentality. So let's get it done.
Do I detect a large dollop of Brexit virus in your obviously pointless reply? Get onboard Clanger. We're all in it together, rough with the smooth, there'll be a few bumps in the road for some with HS2. But I'm now a firm believer in the prevalent fcuk em mentality. So let's get it done.