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Patshull park mix catch reports (53 posts / 8,024 views)
LeeAnderson LeeAnderson
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Post #16 4 Mar 2020 07:49
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In reply to Post #15
You already have a good liquid food using the liver
HG_CARPING HG_CARPING
Posts: 133
Post #17 4 Mar 2020 15:57
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Might try 15ml molasses and 15ml liquid liver.
Boycie Boycie
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Post #18 4 Mar 2020 16:46
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I'd go a lot higher than 30ml of liquid food personally.
Spike Spike
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Post #19 4 Mar 2020 19:08
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In reply to Post #17
Aim for around 50-60ml of liquid food enough to replace an egg
Butterbean35
Posts: 765
Post #20 4 Mar 2020 20:44
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Hi HG,

If I were you, I would drop the liver and add 50mls of hydrolysed salmon extract from Bacarel, 50gms of whey protein hydrolysate from either My Protein or Bulk Powders when on discount and finally, 6gms of citric acid. I don't use flavours.

BB.
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #21 5 Mar 2020 14:23
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That's a lot of Citric, BB. I use 1g/kilo...
Butterbean35
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Post #22 5 Mar 2020 15:09
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Hi Ken,

Everything I've read re the dose rate of citric acid in a standard 1kg dry mix has recommended 6gms per kg.
Apparently, for high attract hookbaits, up to 15gms per kg is ok.
Here's what Mysty M wrote on another thread, apparently from his own research.


Actual concentration of anhydrous citric acid depends on composition of the mix and the porosity ( leak rate) of the final boilie.

Figures given are % of final mix
High attract single hook bait mix 1.5 %
Normal base mix 0.5 % to 0.7 %

Anything approaching or over 1.5 % can adversely effect palatability.

Apparently, organic acid preference to fish species is specific and fixed, and in the case of carp is citric acid.
According to Kasumyan's taste sensitivity of classical taste substances, citric acid came out well on top in palatability index.

BB.
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #23 5 Mar 2020 15:20
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Mmmmm. Very interesting, BB. Just off to make a batch of paste for the warmer months...Will give it a try. (Cannot argue with MM, that's for sure!)
activeviii activeviii
Posts: 345
Post #24 5 Mar 2020 23:57
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I had a lot of fish on the squid and orange about 25 years ago. I used them again last year and found then a little soft for my liking and the shelf life went green in the bag after 2 weeks sitting in the cupboard. I have not bothered with them since then, found a company in Bristol making something very similar that worked for my needs
Mr-Bean-Laden Mr-Bean-Laden
Posts: 2,243
Post #25 8 Mar 2020 17:43
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Has malic acid been evaluated - the acid that gives sweets a sour tast (just that we use T's of it at work)
Butterbean35
Posts: 765
Post #26 8 Mar 2020 20:45
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Hi Mr Bean,

I've been led to believe that malic acid has little or no effect on carp chemoreception.

BB.
Gaius_Bell
Posts: 208
Post #27 8 Mar 2020 23:06
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I've just realised now that I've completely misread your post about the 15gr/kg for high attract baits......

I thought it was per egg. Doh!

Oh well, least I only made a couple of 2 egg mixes! It did seem rather a lot to put in at the time, but in for a penny in for a pound.

That's what happens when your partially dyslexic!
bluebeat13
Posts: 2,168
Post #28 8 Mar 2020 23:19
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15g per egg would be very zingy

But, in a hook bait would it be an investigate trigger for a single hook bait? Or too much?
Gaius_Bell
Posts: 208
Post #29 9 Mar 2020 00:34
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In reply to Post #28
Hopefully BB can enlighten us. The batch I made were going to be hard hook baits anyway.
Butterbean35
Posts: 765
Post #30 9 Mar 2020 10:55
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Hi all,

It's not me enlightening you it is MM.

Read his posts on the Citric thread on page 14 and on the pH Trigger by Nash thread on page 23.

GB, 15gms of citric per egg equates to about 90gms per kg of mix, which is a dose rate of 9% rather than the rmaximum recommendation of 1-5% for high attract hookbaits.

I would imagine that if a carp picked that up it would spit it straight out.

BB.
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