Hi everyone.
Maybe someone should think, reading the title of the tread, that it'd be better in other species section, but it's related to carps in a way or another.
Anyway, my question for you is if anyone know if the tench eat the hemp or not?
My doubt about it is because this year, since the beginning of April, I'd prebaited an area of the lake I fish with maize, hemp and boilies in an attempt to attract the carps in the area where I'm fishing.
The results are, at the moment, that only the tenchs are attracted by my efforts. Not bad as it seems that the strategy start to work and the carps will come there sooner or later (at least I'm hoping).
I had nine tenchs in the last few sessions and five of them only the last one, front Saturday evening to sunday morning, all caught on boilies, and only one on boilies topped by a grain of maize (they were there for the boilie). The only rod that don't have any action it's been the one where I fished with the hemp on the rig. These results made me think at the possibilities that the tenchs don't eat the hemp. It seems strange to me, but who knows. I have used very rarely the hemp in the past and I've not a lot of experience with them.
So, does anyone have an answer to my doubt?
The lake is a really big and deep water and the temperature is 15° at the moment
Maybe someone should think, reading the title of the tread, that it'd be better in other species section, but it's related to carps in a way or another.
Anyway, my question for you is if anyone know if the tench eat the hemp or not?
My doubt about it is because this year, since the beginning of April, I'd prebaited an area of the lake I fish with maize, hemp and boilies in an attempt to attract the carps in the area where I'm fishing.
The results are, at the moment, that only the tenchs are attracted by my efforts. Not bad as it seems that the strategy start to work and the carps will come there sooner or later (at least I'm hoping).
I had nine tenchs in the last few sessions and five of them only the last one, front Saturday evening to sunday morning, all caught on boilies, and only one on boilies topped by a grain of maize (they were there for the boilie). The only rod that don't have any action it's been the one where I fished with the hemp on the rig. These results made me think at the possibilities that the tenchs don't eat the hemp. It seems strange to me, but who knows. I have used very rarely the hemp in the past and I've not a lot of experience with them.
So, does anyone have an answer to my doubt?
The lake is a really big and deep water and the temperature is 15° at the moment
In reply to Post #1
Am sure the Tench will be eating the Hempseed, they feed more slow & subtly than Carp and do seem to work around our methods at times quite quick.
Might just be a case of them finding the boilie hook baits easier than a few grains on a rig that could get buried a little?
You have the added attraction of the boilies leaking out which may be easier for them to pick up on?
At times fish go for the biggest mouthful they can, maybe change the hemp rig to something a little different & see if that makes a difference?
Plenty of variables but it's what makes it interesting for me.
Am sure the Tench will be eating the Hempseed, they feed more slow & subtly than Carp and do seem to work around our methods at times quite quick.
Might just be a case of them finding the boilie hook baits easier than a few grains on a rig that could get buried a little?
You have the added attraction of the boilies leaking out which may be easier for them to pick up on?
At times fish go for the biggest mouthful they can, maybe change the hemp rig to something a little different & see if that makes a difference?
Plenty of variables but it's what makes it interesting for me.
In reply to Post #1
(they were there for the boilie).
Not so sure about that from a catching point of view but maybe from a nutritional one.
The only rod that don't have any action it's been the one where I fished with the hemp on the rig
How was it presented would be my 1st Q? This goes back to why you caught on boilie, ease of presenting effectively, off setting the hook weight etc.
From my experience fish get pre occupied on small particles and root up the bottom, especially with hemp, they certainlly don't pick and choose at suction, most definately in the mouth though. if you can get your hook/hemp hook bait to act in a way similar to the loose offerings you'll be in with a much better chance, imo, or not if trying to avoid, as you may be finding.
(they were there for the boilie).
Not so sure about that from a catching point of view but maybe from a nutritional one.
The only rod that don't have any action it's been the one where I fished with the hemp on the rig
How was it presented would be my 1st Q? This goes back to why you caught on boilie, ease of presenting effectively, off setting the hook weight etc.
From my experience fish get pre occupied on small particles and root up the bottom, especially with hemp, they certainlly don't pick and choose at suction, most definately in the mouth though. if you can get your hook/hemp hook bait to act in a way similar to the loose offerings you'll be in with a much better chance, imo, or not if trying to avoid, as you may be finding.
In reply to Post #2
That's my thought indeed.
The tench arrived in the area first and they are feasting on my prebait, what happened Saturday night it's been nothing I'd witnessed before, from evening to dawn the tench were jumping all over in front of me like excited, and they feed as well, 6 takes 5 thencs all around 6 lbs. It'd be very pleasant to get them with lighter gear.
What I'm thinking at the moment is to fish with biggest boilies, 24 mm on the rig or Double 24 it will be the choice for the next sessions in the hope that the carps will arrive in front of my swim.
But on one rod I want to continue to fish with the hemp and see what it brings
That's my thought indeed.
The tench arrived in the area first and they are feasting on my prebait, what happened Saturday night it's been nothing I'd witnessed before, from evening to dawn the tench were jumping all over in front of me like excited, and they feed as well, 6 takes 5 thencs all around 6 lbs. It'd be very pleasant to get them with lighter gear.
What I'm thinking at the moment is to fish with biggest boilies, 24 mm on the rig or Double 24 it will be the choice for the next sessions in the hope that the carps will arrive in front of my swim.
But on one rod I want to continue to fish with the hemp and see what it brings
In reply to Post #3
The hemp is meshed and tied on a ring, fished in that way on one rod the last four sessions and not a single beep comes from this rod.
If the tench don't eat the hempseed is more a wish, I hope that they don't eat it, so maybe something remains on the bottom after the nuisance fish has passed.
I'm pretty sure that at the end of Sunday there weren't any boilies remained, and I can get there only during the week end, so if there something that remains more days on the bottom the better, maybe it can attract some carp.
The hemp is meshed and tied on a ring, fished in that way on one rod the last four sessions and not a single beep comes from this rod.
If the tench don't eat the hempseed is more a wish, I hope that they don't eat it, so maybe something remains on the bottom after the nuisance fish has passed.
I'm pretty sure that at the end of Sunday there weren't any boilies remained, and I can get there only during the week end, so if there something that remains more days on the bottom the better, maybe it can attract some carp.
In reply to Post #4
I don't think your wrong uping the size of the boilies, it will work. I used to fish a water with lovely Tench to over 10lb, they hammered Crab & Mussel boilies in 15mm, you'd cast in late of a summer night and you could see the fish moving the weed from meters away homing in on the bait. Change that to double 15mm and the bites from Tench dropped right off, same with 20mm's.
I'm sure the hemp is putting out a desirable food signal, maybe a tweek of the rig, a little piece of foam on the hook to counter balance it's weight, maybe check the weight of 1 of your meshed bags and compare to the boilies. Are the mesh bag and boilie the same size?
I don't think your wrong uping the size of the boilies, it will work. I used to fish a water with lovely Tench to over 10lb, they hammered Crab & Mussel boilies in 15mm, you'd cast in late of a summer night and you could see the fish moving the weed from meters away homing in on the bait. Change that to double 15mm and the bites from Tench dropped right off, same with 20mm's.
I'm sure the hemp is putting out a desirable food signal, maybe a tweek of the rig, a little piece of foam on the hook to counter balance it's weight, maybe check the weight of 1 of your meshed bags and compare to the boilies. Are the mesh bag and boilie the same size?
I've never been a fan of hemp as a hook bait. Whatever you try do, it will never mimic the other hemp as a free offering. I think the issue is more so the rig/presentation, rather than the hemp.
In reply to Post #7
You could try the old Rod Hutchinson method, superglue several grains of Hemp on to a wide section of Rubber band, then nick that onto the hook.
You could try the old Rod Hutchinson method, superglue several grains of Hemp on to a wide section of Rubber band, then nick that onto the hook.
In reply to Post #6
The meshed hemp is lighter than the 18 mms bait I used the size is quite the same 16/18 mms. Maybe some foam or a fake maize on top can work better and aid, but I think that it's not the rig mechanic the issue, I'm quite sure the fish doesn't go to the meshed hemp, if that's for the difference between the free offering and the rigged bait or something other I don't know.
Switch to bigger baits is something I always do, fish with 18 mms during the winter time, from November to June and with 24 mms the summer to the autumn. This year I will change a bit earlier than usual due to the tench activity.
Saturday morning is already planned a 60 eggs mix
The meshed hemp is lighter than the 18 mms bait I used the size is quite the same 16/18 mms. Maybe some foam or a fake maize on top can work better and aid, but I think that it's not the rig mechanic the issue, I'm quite sure the fish doesn't go to the meshed hemp, if that's for the difference between the free offering and the rigged bait or something other I don't know.
Switch to bigger baits is something I always do, fish with 18 mms during the winter time, from November to June and with 24 mms the summer to the autumn. This year I will change a bit earlier than usual due to the tench activity.
Saturday morning is already planned a 60 eggs mix
Saturday session I caught all the tench with a double 18 mms in two different boilies one, a classic birdfood banana and maple flavoured, and the other a birdfood bait without any flavour, only spices and others things as attractant.
Never heard of the hutchy method, he hooked the rubber band or he tied it in other ways?
Never heard of the hutchy method, he hooked the rubber band or he tied it in other ways?
In reply to Post #10
Double 18s, 6lb Tench
they are keen!
I suppose to rule out the mesh you could try meshing a boilie see if that has a reaction.
If the mesh bags lighter than the boilie you'd imagine it'd enter the mouth more easily with less effort from the fish, odd, maybe they don't like Hemp, very odd.
Alternative ways to rig hemp, pat dry and superglue to the hair/shank of hook, cork ball for pop up. Kryston used to do a product called bogey, like a very thick none setting glue, it was great for particles but a real pita on the hands
I'd imagine if you were really careful you could thread hemp onto a maggot clip, or use fake hemp (much easier).
Double 18s, 6lb Tench
they are keen!I suppose to rule out the mesh you could try meshing a boilie see if that has a reaction.
If the mesh bags lighter than the boilie you'd imagine it'd enter the mouth more easily with less effort from the fish, odd, maybe they don't like Hemp, very odd.
Alternative ways to rig hemp, pat dry and superglue to the hair/shank of hook, cork ball for pop up. Kryston used to do a product called bogey, like a very thick none setting glue, it was great for particles but a real pita on the hands
I'd imagine if you were really careful you could thread hemp onto a maggot clip, or use fake hemp (much easier).
In reply to Post #11
If the mesh bags lighter than the boilie you'd imagine it'd enter the mouth more easily with less effort from the fish, odd, maybe they don't like Hemp, very odd.
That's odds to me, as well, but it's what makes me think about they don't like Hemp. Well, if they don't like it isn't a bad thing for me, at all. Maybe the seeds are there in wait for the passing Carps. Or, the tench are attracted by the boilies and eat them first and when they don't find it anymore they eat the particles. This is the worst scenario, indeed.
I will continue to baits the area waiting for the carps to come and hoping when they'd arrive they homing there and I'll be able to catch few of them. We'll see
If the mesh bags lighter than the boilie you'd imagine it'd enter the mouth more easily with less effort from the fish, odd, maybe they don't like Hemp, very odd.
That's odds to me, as well, but it's what makes me think about they don't like Hemp. Well, if they don't like it isn't a bad thing for me, at all. Maybe the seeds are there in wait for the passing Carps. Or, the tench are attracted by the boilies and eat them first and when they don't find it anymore they eat the particles. This is the worst scenario, indeed.
I will continue to baits the area waiting for the carps to come and hoping when they'd arrive they homing there and I'll be able to catch few of them. We'll see
In reply to Post #12
Good luck, let us know how you get on
Good luck, let us know how you get on
In reply to Post #1
Tench definitely eat hemp. It does seem odd that you aren't getting them on a rod fishing hemp though. As for not catching the caro, maybe they don't want to feed on that particular spot?
Tench definitely eat hemp. It does seem odd that you aren't getting them on a rod fishing hemp though. As for not catching the caro, maybe they don't want to feed on that particular spot?
In reply to Post #13
Thanks mate, for sure.
Thanks mate, for sure.