How much importance would you think match the hatch would be in pva bags of pellets or just throw different brands and sizes together and not worry too much about it which is what I'm thinking. I'm using sticky krill boilies I was concentrating on halibut/trout pellet styles mainly.
In reply to Post #1
Just a point of note, trout or halibut pellets are high in oil and not particularly good for carp, especially if they are reliant on them. Trout pellets are designed for trout, halibut for halibut etc.
Ordinary carp pellets are ok, mix them with Sticky Krill pellets
Just a point of note, trout or halibut pellets are high in oil and not particularly good for carp, especially if they are reliant on them. Trout pellets are designed for trout, halibut for halibut etc.
Ordinary carp pellets are ok, mix them with Sticky Krill pellets
In reply to Post #2
Nick I do not doubt you are quite right but would you agree the the afore mentioned pellets are extremely common and provide huge sales for all concerned, right or wrong for carps welfare which is vitally important. Thank you for the reply, points I will take on board.
Nick I do not doubt you are quite right but would you agree the the afore mentioned pellets are extremely common and provide huge sales for all concerned, right or wrong for carps welfare which is vitally important. Thank you for the reply, points I will take on board.
In reply to Post #3
My thoughts are that too many places, tackle shops, bait companies and anglers are selling and buying the incorrect pellets at risk to our fish.
Some anglers don't know, possibly some don't care, and some are influenced by bait companies (by bait company I mean both bait manufacturers and animal feed suppliers).
The bait companies may be irresponsible, influenced by anglers, sales or the need to make money.
It is a really deep subject, with no clear answer.
Our waters are all different, some where fish rely on anglers bait, some naturally rich in food where bait can be ignored or not found. Some fish may be different, some in a natural water may be bait reliant, yet others ignore anglers bait and live on natural food.
I took some pictures years ago how halibut pellets 'killed' a spot. A couple of months after the 20mm pellets were put in, the fish had left them alone, there were traces of pellets on the lakebed, and the weed growth had died. I think the pellets despite being in date, had gone rancid, so were left alone. Given the choice fish will avoid rancid oils, but if immediate survival is needed over long term health, they may take them.
In the 1990's there was the big fishmeal boilies overdosed in fish oils causing fish deaths, then in the 2000's a number of fisheries had fish deaths from trout pellets being fed constantly.
This is the overstocked waters or where the fish have become bait reliant.
The carp feed pellet is a proper carp feed. Bait mix pellets like the Sticky Krill, Cell Response pellet etc, are designed to be used with the bait, (hopefully) incorporating the actual base mix attractors in a more soluble, faster breakdown time than the boilie.
Big subject, sorry for the essay.
My personal choice, I mix carp feed pellets in with my PVA bag or groundbait (spod) mix with chopped and crumbed boilies and some ground Vitalin.
My thoughts are that too many places, tackle shops, bait companies and anglers are selling and buying the incorrect pellets at risk to our fish.
Some anglers don't know, possibly some don't care, and some are influenced by bait companies (by bait company I mean both bait manufacturers and animal feed suppliers).
The bait companies may be irresponsible, influenced by anglers, sales or the need to make money.
It is a really deep subject, with no clear answer.
Our waters are all different, some where fish rely on anglers bait, some naturally rich in food where bait can be ignored or not found. Some fish may be different, some in a natural water may be bait reliant, yet others ignore anglers bait and live on natural food.
I took some pictures years ago how halibut pellets 'killed' a spot. A couple of months after the 20mm pellets were put in, the fish had left them alone, there were traces of pellets on the lakebed, and the weed growth had died. I think the pellets despite being in date, had gone rancid, so were left alone. Given the choice fish will avoid rancid oils, but if immediate survival is needed over long term health, they may take them.
In the 1990's there was the big fishmeal boilies overdosed in fish oils causing fish deaths, then in the 2000's a number of fisheries had fish deaths from trout pellets being fed constantly.
This is the overstocked waters or where the fish have become bait reliant.
The carp feed pellet is a proper carp feed. Bait mix pellets like the Sticky Krill, Cell Response pellet etc, are designed to be used with the bait, (hopefully) incorporating the actual base mix attractors in a more soluble, faster breakdown time than the boilie.
Big subject, sorry for the essay.
My personal choice, I mix carp feed pellets in with my PVA bag or groundbait (spod) mix with chopped and crumbed boilies and some ground Vitalin.
In reply to Post #1
There's far better Feed Pellets now readily available to the Public, specifically formulated for Coarse fish, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the bagged fishing versions.
As an example - take a look at Coppens “Intensive”, 40% protein and only 10% oil. There's one I use a lot for Barbel fishing thats over 50% protein and still very low level oil, I won't go without a few Kg with me.
There's far better Feed Pellets now readily available to the Public, specifically formulated for Coarse fish, and a hell of a lot cheaper than the bagged fishing versions.
As an example - take a look at Coppens “Intensive”, 40% protein and only 10% oil. There's one I use a lot for Barbel fishing thats over 50% protein and still very low level oil, I won't go without a few Kg with me.
Check out https://bulkfishpellets.co.uk/ they stock a wide range of Aller Aqua pellets specifically designed to feed Carp
In reply to Post #2
Oil content is nothing like it was. Back in the day you'd get a sack of Hall'is and there would be a right old load of oil sloshing about in the bottom of the bag, when was the last time you saw that?
Sticky Krill pellets, honestly dont waste your money.
Oil content is nothing like it was. Back in the day you'd get a sack of Hall'is and there would be a right old load of oil sloshing about in the bottom of the bag, when was the last time you saw that?
Sticky Krill pellets, honestly dont waste your money.
In reply to Post #4
Disagree with you there nick, I have been feeding carp with various pellets for about 30 years now and I have never seen a dead carp in a fishery due to any pellets. In fact I'd say the only reason they have grown so well in many venues is due to pellets.
More damage is done by particles
The problem is that some pellets are high in protein and oil and are supposed to be used in less quantities than a low quality low oil cheap pellet or cereals, but good old Humans can't work that out and pile them in!
Higher quality, Less feed, less poo........blaming a pellet for man's inability to understand biomass is not the fault of the pellet is it?
I want to feed my fish the best and smallest amount possible.
Disagree with you there nick, I have been feeding carp with various pellets for about 30 years now and I have never seen a dead carp in a fishery due to any pellets. In fact I'd say the only reason they have grown so well in many venues is due to pellets.
More damage is done by particles
The problem is that some pellets are high in protein and oil and are supposed to be used in less quantities than a low quality low oil cheap pellet or cereals, but good old Humans can't work that out and pile them in!
Higher quality, Less feed, less poo........blaming a pellet for man's inability to understand biomass is not the fault of the pellet is it?
I want to feed my fish the best and smallest amount possible.
In reply to Post #8
Good to see different opinions.
Good to see different opinions.
In reply to Post #8
Not 100% quite where you are coming from, or whether you have been missing things in carp fishing.
Trout pellets used by match anglers contributed to fish deaths at a Norfolk fishery. It was quite simple, you didn't use trout pellets you didn't catch. The lake regularly had fish floating in the margins. The lake owner was recommended by a fishery biologist to stop trout pellets being used.
A certain fish farm owner was stocking fish that had gotten to high weights in a very short time, fed on trout pellets.
Those fish had a very short life span, sometimes no more than 10years maximum. A fishery on the Isle of Wight sent a fish off for post mortem after its death. The report put the blame on heart and liver problems from an original high fat diet.
Not 100% quite where you are coming from, or whether you have been missing things in carp fishing.
Trout pellets used by match anglers contributed to fish deaths at a Norfolk fishery. It was quite simple, you didn't use trout pellets you didn't catch. The lake regularly had fish floating in the margins. The lake owner was recommended by a fishery biologist to stop trout pellets being used.
A certain fish farm owner was stocking fish that had gotten to high weights in a very short time, fed on trout pellets.
Those fish had a very short life span, sometimes no more than 10years maximum. A fishery on the Isle of Wight sent a fish off for post mortem after its death. The report put the blame on heart and liver problems from an original high fat diet.
In reply to Post #10
What lake was that please ?
What lake was that please ?
In reply to Post #10
And the point I was getting at nick, is that only a silly person would feed the carp a single item.
Pellets used for feeding carp can range from a coarse pellet, to a trout pellet to a halibut
All have been shown to make carp grow when used correctly. Most fish breeders use a blend of pellets and cereals to obtain maximum growth. We have used high protein and high oil pellets here for a long time and not one carp has ever known to have died because we are sensible enough to use various feeds at the correct time of year
You talk of a match venue that lost carp......I suppose it's nothing to do with cramming too many in a tiny pond and being overfished?
Your post just sounded bitter towards pellets ruining a spot when pellets actually help carp grow and prosper when used correctly. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you just pointing out that if Pellets were bad for fish, nobody would sell them or buy them!
Lots of fisheries only allow pellet and boilie now for a very good reason
And the point I was getting at nick, is that only a silly person would feed the carp a single item.
Pellets used for feeding carp can range from a coarse pellet, to a trout pellet to a halibut
All have been shown to make carp grow when used correctly. Most fish breeders use a blend of pellets and cereals to obtain maximum growth. We have used high protein and high oil pellets here for a long time and not one carp has ever known to have died because we are sensible enough to use various feeds at the correct time of year
You talk of a match venue that lost carp......I suppose it's nothing to do with cramming too many in a tiny pond and being overfished?
Your post just sounded bitter towards pellets ruining a spot when pellets actually help carp grow and prosper when used correctly. I wasn't trying to pick a fight with you just pointing out that if Pellets were bad for fish, nobody would sell them or buy them!
Lots of fisheries only allow pellet and boilie now for a very good reason
In reply to Post #12
Sorry, I still think you are missing the point.
Anglers, whether as a whole or part of the pursuit, want to catch fish. Bait A catches carp, other baits struggle, so anglers switch to bait A. This is whether bait A is peanuts, tiger nuts, trout or halibut pellets, or maggots.
A pouchful will catch, fire in more and catch more is the often thinking.
I don't think carp or coarse pellets are bad for carp, I do think the higher oil levels in other pellets are though. Trout pellets are for feeding trout, salmon pellets for salmon etc, they are all higher in oil than carp pellets.
Just as an example, I think Coppens trout pellets are something like 20% fat, more than carp need. The additional extra can damage livers, kidneys and increase heart stress.
Fish farms have come on, but there was most definitely one fish farmer producing big fish feeding trout pellets rather than coarse pellets.
I was annoyed at the halibut pellets being dumped in, of course, it ruined one of my stalking spots for months. It never fished the same until I left the club.
Sorry, I still think you are missing the point.
Anglers, whether as a whole or part of the pursuit, want to catch fish. Bait A catches carp, other baits struggle, so anglers switch to bait A. This is whether bait A is peanuts, tiger nuts, trout or halibut pellets, or maggots.
A pouchful will catch, fire in more and catch more is the often thinking.
I don't think carp or coarse pellets are bad for carp, I do think the higher oil levels in other pellets are though. Trout pellets are for feeding trout, salmon pellets for salmon etc, they are all higher in oil than carp pellets.
Just as an example, I think Coppens trout pellets are something like 20% fat, more than carp need. The additional extra can damage livers, kidneys and increase heart stress.
Fish farms have come on, but there was most definitely one fish farmer producing big fish feeding trout pellets rather than coarse pellets.
I was annoyed at the halibut pellets being dumped in, of course, it ruined one of my stalking spots for months. It never fished the same until I left the club.
In reply to Post #1
When I was at gooutdoors I tried to get the dynamite halibut pellets taken off from around September/October due to colder months but they ignored what I said.
When I was at gooutdoors I tried to get the dynamite halibut pellets taken off from around September/October due to colder months but they ignored what I said.
In reply to Post #2
Halibut pellets are made from halibut, they're not designed for going fishing for halibut. Likewise trout pellets are made from trout, tuna boilies are flavoured with tuna, etc..
Halibut pellets are made from halibut, they're not designed for going fishing for halibut. Likewise trout pellets are made from trout, tuna boilies are flavoured with tuna, etc..