With the colder months on there way I am looking at a new shelter,the toss up is between the tempest aquatexx or the aqua pioneer,would appreciate your opinions folks,thanks
In reply to Post #1
Depends which model (size) Tempest / Pioneer and what you want from a bivvy . . . ?
I have a Tempest V2 bivvy and a Pioneer 150 - footprints are similar but seeing that the V2 is discontinued the closest would probably be a Tempest 150 (although the 150 is probably bigger space wise than a Pio 150)
Tempest 150
More versatile (skull cap / full wrap / social cap (to increase size)
Smaller Pack down length
Heavy
Less headroom
More vents / 'active' ventilation
Pioneer 150
Quicker to assemble (IMO!) skull cap is effectively a 'full' wrap and can be left on much more easily than Tempest
Longer & Heavier (thicker fabric)
More headroom
Looks cooler (IMO)
Stronger / more storm proof
Both good bivvies to be fair and Tempest more future proof but less Pios on the bank so therefore its more carpy and on this basis Pio wins (tin hat on)
Depends which model (size) Tempest / Pioneer and what you want from a bivvy . . . ?
I have a Tempest V2 bivvy and a Pioneer 150 - footprints are similar but seeing that the V2 is discontinued the closest would probably be a Tempest 150 (although the 150 is probably bigger space wise than a Pio 150)
Tempest 150
More versatile (skull cap / full wrap / social cap (to increase size)
Smaller Pack down length
Heavy
Less headroom
More vents / 'active' ventilation
Pioneer 150
Quicker to assemble (IMO!) skull cap is effectively a 'full' wrap and can be left on much more easily than Tempest
Longer & Heavier (thicker fabric)
More headroom
Looks cooler (IMO)
Stronger / more storm proof
Both good bivvies to be fair and Tempest more future proof but less Pios on the bank so therefore its more carpy and on this basis Pio wins (tin hat on)
In reply to Post #2
Sorry mate I should of added I'm looking at the tempest 100 or aqua equivalent (size wise).I use the aqua fast and light which is great but just need that little bit more for when it
the weather turns
Sorry mate I should of added I'm looking at the tempest 100 or aqua equivalent (size wise).I use the aqua fast and light which is great but just need that little bit more for when it
the weather turns
In reply to Post #3
The Tempests will drop in price very soon,a new version is soon to be released
The Tempests will drop in price very soon,a new version is soon to be released
In reply to Post #4
It's not really about the money mate,I just want a good bit of kit
It's not really about the money mate,I just want a good bit of kit
In reply to Post #5
The material on my aqua ultralite ev feels alot better than the material on the tempest v2 bivvy I had.It is alot darker inside and is better made,im not sure why as they are owned by the same company.I prefer how my ultralite goes up over the tempest too,I would go for the pioneer out of the two you have mentioned
The material on my aqua ultralite ev feels alot better than the material on the tempest v2 bivvy I had.It is alot darker inside and is better made,im not sure why as they are owned by the same company.I prefer how my ultralite goes up over the tempest too,I would go for the pioneer out of the two you have mentioned
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In reply to Post #9
Belch comments below are pretty accurate and I would concur with most of them
Ive got 4 tempests 2 x air, standard V2 and the XL and have had pioneer ultralite and recently sold my pio 150 so for me its the tempest over the Aqua
I just feel the aqua is over engineered it weighs a ton by comparison to the tempests and while built to last its more than youll ever need in this country - I think the pioneer design with the seperate poles to errect is old tech when compared to the tempest.
Obviously youll see tempests everywhere and with all the versions available you may want to be different/old skool and have the aqua
But I love the tempest - hence I brought a 2nd AIR incase I ever have issues with my other one - the air I use 80% of the time (I had army andy make an infill and i can add a skull cap or full wrap as needed
Full size Tempest I brought for a bargain price of £150 from this forum and the XL I use in france
Dont think youll go wrong with either model though both great bivvys
Belch comments below are pretty accurate and I would concur with most of them
Ive got 4 tempests 2 x air, standard V2 and the XL and have had pioneer ultralite and recently sold my pio 150 so for me its the tempest over the Aqua
I just feel the aqua is over engineered it weighs a ton by comparison to the tempests and while built to last its more than youll ever need in this country - I think the pioneer design with the seperate poles to errect is old tech when compared to the tempest.
Obviously youll see tempests everywhere and with all the versions available you may want to be different/old skool and have the aqua
But I love the tempest - hence I brought a 2nd AIR incase I ever have issues with my other one - the air I use 80% of the time (I had army andy make an infill and i can add a skull cap or full wrap as needed
Full size Tempest I brought for a bargain price of £150 from this forum and the XL I use in france
Dont think youll go wrong with either model though both great bivvys
In reply to Post #10
Thanks mate,just had a look at the v2 and air.
What are the actual difference between them both,I really like the open fronts on them as I have always been a brolly man,don't like the fact I can't see everything tucked up in a bivvy
Thanks mate,just had a look at the v2 and air.
What are the actual difference between them both,I really like the open fronts on them as I have always been a brolly man,don't like the fact I can't see everything tucked up in a bivvy
In reply to Post #3
Don't own the new Aqua version but have been (and remain) an Ultralite user for donkies - The Tempest 100 is slightly smaller in footprint and height than the V2 but the same comparison parameters apply - Tempest is more versatile / Pioneer is stronger and looks cooler.
Personally would not go for a Pio 100 - they are very low / built for hobbits and heavy for the footprint. If my Ultralite ever gives up would go for the Pio 100 Ultralite but compared to the Tempest 100 they are different bivvies - Advanced 100 has more footroom / space and could be turned into a week long France / session bivvy (although it is still a bit low for tall peeps) Ultralite 100 is more of a short session (24-48hrs) shelter with benefits - its much lighter and has improved visibility and way more headroom - you could also just use it like your fast and light as an open brolly but with a permanent twin skin.
If in doubt get both!
Don't own the new Aqua version but have been (and remain) an Ultralite user for donkies - The Tempest 100 is slightly smaller in footprint and height than the V2 but the same comparison parameters apply - Tempest is more versatile / Pioneer is stronger and looks cooler.
Personally would not go for a Pio 100 - they are very low / built for hobbits and heavy for the footprint. If my Ultralite ever gives up would go for the Pio 100 Ultralite but compared to the Tempest 100 they are different bivvies - Advanced 100 has more footroom / space and could be turned into a week long France / session bivvy (although it is still a bit low for tall peeps) Ultralite 100 is more of a short session (24-48hrs) shelter with benefits - its much lighter and has improved visibility and way more headroom - you could also just use it like your fast and light as an open brolly but with a permanent twin skin.
If in doubt get both!
In reply to Post #12
😂😂yeah go for both,that would take some justifying to the mrs.
That's something else I need to factor in is getting in and out,don't need anything too low as it starts to twinge my back after a while. The fast and light I can push the front up which is great,which of the trakker ones would suit best
😂😂yeah go for both,that would take some justifying to the mrs.
That's something else I need to factor in is getting in and out,don't need anything too low as it starts to twinge my back after a while. The fast and light I can push the front up which is great,which of the trakker ones would suit best
In reply to Post #12
Do like the look of the ultralight,but it's a lot of dollar
Do like the look of the ultralight,but it's a lot of dollar
In reply to Post #14
Try Parkfield Angling,they did me a very good deal on mine.I can get my ultralite set up quicker than my mate can do his tempest bivvy.Its seconds to pop up,once fanned out I pop a peg in the back and it holds it in place plus the skullcap is a full wrap unlike the tempest skullcap.I love my ultralite and would not change it for any of the tempests
Try Parkfield Angling,they did me a very good deal on mine.I can get my ultralite set up quicker than my mate can do his tempest bivvy.Its seconds to pop up,once fanned out I pop a peg in the back and it holds it in place plus the skullcap is a full wrap unlike the tempest skullcap.I love my ultralite and would not change it for any of the tempests