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Milky B (45 posts / 6,950 views)
2ndChance 2ndChance
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Post #1 31 Mar 2022 17:04
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Who actually came up with the very first version of Milk B+ back in the 70s/80s, and what was it primarily used as, in a bait, other than powdered flavour or palatant enhancer/feeding stimulant ? Anyone know the actual composition used way back then? Lactose + vanillin + ???
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #2 31 Mar 2022 17:33
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There's actually lots of them, appetite stimulators for pigs
viking
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Post #3 31 Mar 2022 17:37
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I am pretty sure it is originally a palatant for feed, cattle and/or pigs.
Also pretty sure it is vanillin and some lactones in the mix.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #4 31 Mar 2022 17:38
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iv'e never seen a pig that needs stimulating to eat
viking
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Post #5 31 Mar 2022 17:47
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Some say it is mainly added because a farmer is more stimulated to buy a feed that smells sweet and vanilla-ish than a more bland one
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #6 31 Mar 2022 17:57
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Perhaps not, but I can count three brochures infront of me selling it as such lol.

Maybe it's to ween them off the mother's milk? Can't say I ever kept pigs but I can say, with conviction, then I know what I pay for 🤣
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Post #7 31 Mar 2022 18:39
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Damn pigs don´t need stimulating at all, so that´s a BIG myth. Greedy hogs can do away with a cadaver in no time at all.
The "mothers milk" sustenance theory is a plausible one. Might be the Holy Grail of bait ingredients, lactating milk straight from her breasts. Several natural lactones, ethyl vanillin and gamma-Nonanolactone.

Was Milky B available when Pruteen did the rounds ?


Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #8 31 Mar 2022 18:42
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I'm sure some pigs are fussier than others, there's a few options in the canteen at selhurst park....
framey framey
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Post #9 31 Mar 2022 18:46
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Could have been used by you know who...
In the you know what thread ....
christian
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Post #10 31 Mar 2022 18:52
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If my memory serves me right it was the original cotswold baits that first started selling it. No idea what's in it, but like others have said it is produced for the pig farming industry.
Ynnek
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Post #11 31 Mar 2022 18:54
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Don't forget that the only goal of pig farming is to sell the 'bacon' as fast as possible and as large as possible.
That's also the reason why numerous researcher are trying to find cure to the intenstial worms that slow the growth of pigs.

(This is what I get straight from the source as I've got 2 friends with a PhD covering that topic)
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #12 31 Mar 2022 18:54
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in all my years in the industry, ive never seen a fussy eating pig

i studied animal science at Bristol uni (Honours degree) and we did tests on the affects on CO2 and pigs behaviour

Perspex box, full of apples with a "cat flap" door in it so the pig could push in and feed

first few days, no Co2 - pig eat all it liked

3 and 4th day - we added 50% Co2 and 50% O2 - pig would gorge itself until it nearly collapsed, took its head out of said box, it then learnt to take deep breaths and recover, then feed

5th and 6th day - 85% anoxic mixture (Co2)+ 15% O2. pig fed, collapsed whilst feeding, dropped onto the floor and recovered soon after, shook its head and went in for round two, Collapsed and repeated

by the 7th day the same pig learnt how to hold its breath, take an apple, get its head out of the box, eat and then repeated

proper impressed with that and how it learnt

AndersonPol
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Post #13 31 Mar 2022 19:00
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It smelt like horlics and cinnamon to me.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #14 31 Mar 2022 19:06
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I don't doubt you haven't seen a fussy pig, but neither do I doubt in a five minute google search you could find a petite stimulants for them. They exist, needed or not thst fact is binary and some of them carp quite like lol
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #15 31 Mar 2022 19:16
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i have seen weak piglets that struggle to feed, therefore yield is low, therefore milks provide "bulking" up nutrition

same with calves that struggle to gain weight, fed on the same stuff.
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