Hi All,
I have just found out that a prominent carp from one of my local club waters has ended up in a 'puddle' down the road.
The fish in question is a 25lb+ orange linear Koi, that has been in the club water for over 20 years and is easily recognisable.
The puddle it has been illegally moved to is now run by a new 'club', with a 'secret' Facebook page only (wonder why?).
The question is, what can we legally do to get this fish back where it belongs?
I have just found out that a prominent carp from one of my local club waters has ended up in a 'puddle' down the road.
The fish in question is a 25lb+ orange linear Koi, that has been in the club water for over 20 years and is easily recognisable.
The puddle it has been illegally moved to is now run by a new 'club', with a 'secret' Facebook page only (wonder why?).
The question is, what can we legally do to get this fish back where it belongs?
In reply to Post #1
Koi are very distinct in their markings so I would guess any photo evidence of where it was and where it now is could be easily passed on to the police. I'd imagine the EA might want to get involved too regarding transportation of fish between waters...
Koi are very distinct in their markings so I would guess any photo evidence of where it was and where it now is could be easily passed on to the police. I'd imagine the EA might want to get involved too regarding transportation of fish between waters...
In reply to Post #2
The police don't give a **** and won't get involved.The EA might,but I very much doubt it
The police don't give a **** and won't get involved.The EA might,but I very much doubt it
In reply to Post #1
Ea will be your best bet. And police/ just sue them. It'll be easy enough to prove as long as you have pictures of it being caught from your lake and then subsequently from theirs.
The actual theft you won't get anywhere with as you don't know who did it and the fishery will say “we didn't, we didn't know anything about it”
Best case scenario, you get your koi back and they have to kill 5 carp for the health check in order to move it.
Ea will be your best bet. And police/ just sue them. It'll be easy enough to prove as long as you have pictures of it being caught from your lake and then subsequently from theirs.
The actual theft you won't get anywhere with as you don't know who did it and the fishery will say “we didn't, we didn't know anything about it”
Best case scenario, you get your koi back and they have to kill 5 carp for the health check in order to move it.
I can't understand why any brain dead moron would steal a fish that is so easy to identify 
In reply to Post #5
I think you covered it with 'brain dead moron' ...
I think you covered it with 'brain dead moron' ...
In reply to Post #1
Find out who owns the puddle, shouldn't be too difficult, pay them a visit to discuss the situation but keep calm and don't make threats. Could be a member of your water is also a puddle member as obviously someone had to catch and move it without being seen.
Find out who owns the puddle, shouldn't be too difficult, pay them a visit to discuss the situation but keep calm and don't make threats. Could be a member of your water is also a puddle member as obviously someone had to catch and move it without being seen.
In reply to Post #1
Lots of private lakes don't allow publicity , so a secret fb page is pretty normal
Fish theft isn't acceptable
Adding fish to a lake would usually lead to ban , with bio security etc
I wouldn't approach the puddle owners , you may get yourself into trouble
I'd gather as much evidence as possible, and take it to the police
If this dosnt work then maybe contact them via email with your evidence
and see where this take you
Lots of private lakes don't allow publicity , so a secret fb page is pretty normal
Fish theft isn't acceptable
Adding fish to a lake would usually lead to ban , with bio security etc
I wouldn't approach the puddle owners , you may get yourself into trouble
I'd gather as much evidence as possible, and take it to the police
If this dosnt work then maybe contact them via email with your evidence
and see where this take you
In reply to Post #8
Must be quite difficult this surely as can anyone prove ownership? If a big expensive car parks outside my house every day and night for years it don't mean I own it........
Must be quite difficult this surely as can anyone prove ownership? If a big expensive car parks outside my house every day and night for years it don't mean I own it........
In reply to Post #1
If the club has insurance through the AT then get Fish legal involved. If you can show it's in there via pics and the new club won't play ball, they should be able to assist
If the club has insurance through the AT then get Fish legal involved. If you can show it's in there via pics and the new club won't play ball, they should be able to assist
In reply to Post #1
spoke to an ea bailiff years ago whilst having licence checked about fish on the lake i used to fish going in the day ticket lake next door ,his reply was unless you have it on film they dont want to know
spoke to an ea bailiff years ago whilst having licence checked about fish on the lake i used to fish going in the day ticket lake next door ,his reply was unless you have it on film they dont want to know
In reply to Post #1
Go do a few "guest sessions" on the puddle and borrow it back
Go do a few "guest sessions" on the puddle and borrow it back
In reply to Post #12
If you can prove that the carp originally lived in lake A, with photographic evidence and a statement from the owners, and the same proof of it being moved to the other lake without Consent to move fish then the EA will be very interested! I'm sure there was a case in Cambridgeshire where the fish were returned and people were fined!
If you can prove that the carp originally lived in lake A, with photographic evidence and a statement from the owners, and the same proof of it being moved to the other lake without Consent to move fish then the EA will be very interested! I'm sure there was a case in Cambridgeshire where the fish were returned and people were fined!
Thanks for the replies guys.
The club are following this through, after a bit more investigation and evidence gathering.
The club are following this through, after a bit more investigation and evidence gathering.
In reply to Post #1
Of all things to steal why an orange ornamental?!?!?!
Of all things to steal why an orange ornamental?!?!?!