I fish a lake full of zebra mussel covered rocks and am thinking about using a float ledgering set up to keep as much line out of the water as possible but am concerned about the vertical line running from the float to the lead will spook the carp. Also, I am concerned this set up will reduce the bite indication allowing the carp to drag the line into the mussels. Any thoughts on or experience with this type of set up?
In reply to Post #1
Zigs work bottom to top with a vertical line and some have a sunKen float attached to them
Don't think the fish are that worried.
Zigs work bottom to top with a vertical line and some have a sunKen float attached to them
Don't think the fish are that worried.
In reply to Post #1
a bottle rig type of set up, and you can tighten down to it to semi submerge a smaller bottle, or fully submerge a smaller float.
a bottle rig type of set up, and you can tighten down to it to semi submerge a smaller bottle, or fully submerge a smaller float.
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Watch some of the vids of lads fishing rainbow, they do exactly that kind of thing. Sometimes using banksticks to go round and over islands too. You'll need a boat to do it , a d probably need to go out in it to play fish if it's that bad
Watch some of the vids of lads fishing rainbow, they do exactly that kind of thing. Sometimes using banksticks to go round and over islands too. You'll need a boat to do it , a d probably need to go out in it to play fish if it's that bad
All fair points guys, thanks for replying.
Polaris floats still work too
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Used this set up a fair bit on a few lakes in France, have a small Evian bottle with a swivel in the top glued in & set a stop knot (tag ends long enough to catch in the eye of the swivel to hold it but the bottle can still go over if needed when pressure is applied) on the line at the depth needed. Heavy lead & relatively long leadcore to fluro leader & set the stop knot about 20ft from the spot - these lakes had some savage bars between me and the spot so was more aimed at keeping the line up off these).
Never had any issues with getting bites or fish dragging everything into the snags with this set up, fiddly to get right but well worth it
Avid also a sell a float for this type of fishing if you didn't want to make your own.
Used this set up a fair bit on a few lakes in France, have a small Evian bottle with a swivel in the top glued in & set a stop knot (tag ends long enough to catch in the eye of the swivel to hold it but the bottle can still go over if needed when pressure is applied) on the line at the depth needed. Heavy lead & relatively long leadcore to fluro leader & set the stop knot about 20ft from the spot - these lakes had some savage bars between me and the spot so was more aimed at keeping the line up off these).
Never had any issues with getting bites or fish dragging everything into the snags with this set up, fiddly to get right but well worth it
Avid also a sell a float for this type of fishing if you didn't want to make your own.
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Solar's Line Biter Indicators were designed for exactly this.
Solar's Line Biter Indicators were designed for exactly this.
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Following on from this comment... also worth looking at the double lead arrangement used by a fair few at rainbow to managed the line straight down issue and also help with trying to direct fish in a certain direction on the take. (ive explained the latter poorly, but cant think how to describe better)
One of the Kevin Ellis or Mozza video describes the set up well.
Following on from this comment... also worth looking at the double lead arrangement used by a fair few at rainbow to managed the line straight down issue and also help with trying to direct fish in a certain direction on the take. (ive explained the latter poorly, but cant think how to describe better)
One of the Kevin Ellis or Mozza video describes the set up well.
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Frank Warwick has also mentioned this before in numerous articles.
Also gives a mark to bait to.
Frank Warwick has also mentioned this before in numerous articles.
Also gives a mark to bait to.
The lake I fish has submerged rocks covered with mussels, in some swim you can only fish with a float if you want to land a fish.
I use a polyball whit a stop in a way that the float can reach the surface, after the cast (boat isn't allowed) the float work as a marker for baiting, then tighten the line just to get the float raised over the rocks in a safety position.
There's no problem with the carp takes, the problem is with the nuisance fish, a Rudd or roach can nibble your baits without a single indication.
I use a polyball whit a stop in a way that the float can reach the surface, after the cast (boat isn't allowed) the float work as a marker for baiting, then tighten the line just to get the float raised over the rocks in a safety position.
There's no problem with the carp takes, the problem is with the nuisance fish, a Rudd or roach can nibble your baits without a single indication.
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This is exactly the method I was going to mention. I remember seeing it detailed in Carpworld way, way back by a Dutch angler (I think) for fishing amongst the tree stumps at Cassien.
Over the years I done a lot of float fishing for carp and I'm convinced that a vertical line scares them less than a line cutting through the water at an angle.
This is exactly the method I was going to mention. I remember seeing it detailed in Carpworld way, way back by a Dutch angler (I think) for fishing amongst the tree stumps at Cassien.
Over the years I done a lot of float fishing for carp and I'm convinced that a vertical line scares them less than a line cutting through the water at an angle.
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Could try frank Warwick's Plumb-Ezee method sure l've seen a video on YouTube of him using it and remember thinking it's looks a decent idea
Could try frank Warwick's Plumb-Ezee method sure l've seen a video on YouTube of him using it and remember thinking it's looks a decent idea
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Enterprise tackle sell them
https://enterprisetackle.co.uk/product/et86-plumb-ezee
Enterprise tackle sell them
https://enterprisetackle.co.uk/product/et86-plumb-ezee
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Anyone used these in a beachcaster set up? Are they buoyant enough to help suspend the line?
Anyone used these in a beachcaster set up? Are they buoyant enough to help suspend the line?
In reply to Post #15
I haven't
I haven't
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ZEBRA MUSSELS. Personally I wouldn't bother with a float ledgering set up, especially if you are fishing big lakes or rivers in the USA, the undertow & flow will play havoc with presentation.
Just use normal simple, strong and tangle free rigs and tubing ( if needed ) NOTHING FANCY!
Don't worry about the spooking off it aspect, they are relatively unpressured fish.
After many years experience fishing in Canada, and experiencing many cut off, after cut off on 50lb thick, wiry, mono line straight through, in a particular area that was flat bottomed. Decent quality thick braided main line was the answer.
Just fish with AT LEAST 80lb, or higher breaking strain Powerpro braid straight through, obviously this depends on range you are fishing at.
Fish with your rods butts on the floor, or as low as your buzz bar or pod rod rests will allow, rod tips high up in the air, baitrunner reel or drag set lightly to eliminate early cuts offs before you get to the rod.
Pick up rod, let it take line, then Gently play & tighten down to carp once you can feel direct contact - no grating ( off the bottom or shelf ) then apply more pressure to ease it up higher in the water.
Good luck
ZEBRA MUSSELS. Personally I wouldn't bother with a float ledgering set up, especially if you are fishing big lakes or rivers in the USA, the undertow & flow will play havoc with presentation.
Just use normal simple, strong and tangle free rigs and tubing ( if needed ) NOTHING FANCY!
Don't worry about the spooking off it aspect, they are relatively unpressured fish.
After many years experience fishing in Canada, and experiencing many cut off, after cut off on 50lb thick, wiry, mono line straight through, in a particular area that was flat bottomed. Decent quality thick braided main line was the answer.
Just fish with AT LEAST 80lb, or higher breaking strain Powerpro braid straight through, obviously this depends on range you are fishing at.
Fish with your rods butts on the floor, or as low as your buzz bar or pod rod rests will allow, rod tips high up in the air, baitrunner reel or drag set lightly to eliminate early cuts offs before you get to the rod.
Pick up rod, let it take line, then Gently play & tighten down to carp once you can feel direct contact - no grating ( off the bottom or shelf ) then apply more pressure to ease it up higher in the water.
Good luck
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