How do they make a rod differ apart from size ?
Much weight difference , and can they make a rod softer or stiffer or no difference.
Will be looking to have guides replaced on some free spirit rods next year. Not bought for range work. 100 yards max
Much weight difference , and can they make a rod softer or stiffer or no difference.
Will be looking to have guides replaced on some free spirit rods next year. Not bought for range work. 100 yards max
In reply to Post #1
As a general rule of thumb, larger or heavier rings will make a blank softer.
The other thing to consider is single or triple leg. I've had rods rebuilt from triple to single and completely changed the feel to me (for the better.)
As a general rule of thumb, larger or heavier rings will make a blank softer.
The other thing to consider is single or triple leg. I've had rods rebuilt from triple to single and completely changed the feel to me (for the better.)
In reply to Post #1
I've recently had some 2 3/4tc rods rebuilt with ten guides plus the tip.
Starting with a 25mm butt guide, they're bloody lovely and the line absolutely whistles out. I opted for the ridiculously expensive Fuji Titanium Torzite K Guides, all ten guides weigh less than a standard 50mm guide. Search Fuji New Guide Concept.
I've recently had some 2 3/4tc rods rebuilt with ten guides plus the tip.
Starting with a 25mm butt guide, they're bloody lovely and the line absolutely whistles out. I opted for the ridiculously expensive Fuji Titanium Torzite K Guides, all ten guides weigh less than a standard 50mm guide. Search Fuji New Guide Concept.
In reply to Post #1
A lot!
Pick a 12 foot HiS rod up with 40s on and then a 50. Completely different feel, 50s feel nice, 40s pokerish
A lot!
Pick a 12 foot HiS rod up with 40s on and then a 50. Completely different feel, 50s feel nice, 40s pokerish
This was my worry. Got a set of S lite SL Ives in 3.5lb 12ft.
Was looking down the like to have a set of 40s put on but didn't want them becoming too stiff. Interesting read on that Fuji guide page thank you
Was looking down the like to have a set of 40s put on but didn't want them becoming too stiff. Interesting read on that Fuji guide page thank you
In reply to Post #5
The rod won't change and become stiffer, as the blank is the blank...
It will feel more responsive and less floppy as there is less weight towards the tip so more zippiness.
The extra weight of a 50 won't matter, but it's the other intermediates adding bulk to the tip and deadening the action a fraction.
The rod won't change and become stiffer, as the blank is the blank...
It will feel more responsive and less floppy as there is less weight towards the tip so more zippiness.
The extra weight of a 50 won't matter, but it's the other intermediates adding bulk to the tip and deadening the action a fraction.
In reply to Post #6
Agh ok thank you. Makes sense
Agh ok thank you. Makes sense
In reply to Post #7
Wait for jeffire to reply chap, he will set you straight.
Wait for jeffire to reply chap, he will set you straight.
In reply to Post #1
Over the winter I had my Torrix TE's rebuilt and moved from Kigan 3d rings to the American tackle TI forged rings... Still both 50mm ringing but was a massive difference in the weight of the rod and also how they feel on the cast.
Over the winter I had my Torrix TE's rebuilt and moved from Kigan 3d rings to the American tackle TI forged rings... Still both 50mm ringing but was a massive difference in the weight of the rod and also how they feel on the cast.
My experience of rods with 40mm and 50mm rings are, the weight of the rings make them tip heavy and not pleasant to hold.
Plus, if you have limited bank space to set up, and you need your butt ring behind the alarm etc especially when you are snag fishing etc or just for comfort of mind as a preventive measure to stop the rod being dragged in, because the butt ring is that far up the blank near the spigot, it can be hard to get your rodd butt far enough back to get the butt ring behind the alarm.
I have never found playing fish a pleasant experience as the line cuts across the arc of the curvature of the rod and I always get that "Jag Jagging" feeling as the line goes through the rings.
So, I only have 30mm butt rings on the rods that I use and are far more pleasant to use. I can hold them for ages if I am stalking as they are balanced with the weight of the reel, do not need much room to get the rod butt back to get the ring behind the alarm nd playing fish is a pleasant experience as the line follows the arc of the rod.
Basically these big ringed rods are just specialist tools for long distance fishing, sadly though every manufacturer thinks all carp rods need them when they don't. I can fish happily up to 100 metres with 30mm butt rings.
Plus, if you have limited bank space to set up, and you need your butt ring behind the alarm etc especially when you are snag fishing etc or just for comfort of mind as a preventive measure to stop the rod being dragged in, because the butt ring is that far up the blank near the spigot, it can be hard to get your rodd butt far enough back to get the butt ring behind the alarm.
I have never found playing fish a pleasant experience as the line cuts across the arc of the curvature of the rod and I always get that "Jag Jagging" feeling as the line goes through the rings.
So, I only have 30mm butt rings on the rods that I use and are far more pleasant to use. I can hold them for ages if I am stalking as they are balanced with the weight of the reel, do not need much room to get the rod butt back to get the ring behind the alarm nd playing fish is a pleasant experience as the line follows the arc of the rod.
Basically these big ringed rods are just specialist tools for long distance fishing, sadly though every manufacturer thinks all carp rods need them when they don't. I can fish happily up to 100 metres with 30mm butt rings.
In reply to Post #3
All my own personal rods are built on the fuji guide concept which is what kev baynes had been doing for years Dave lumb also similar. I have just built myself 3 Anglers workshop 2.25 t.c 12ft (baby snipers) with 30ml butt guide 25 ml dbl leg on butt section and 8 single leg guides plus tip on tip section. Cast on field this morning 2 3/4 oz lead with single boilie . Put a hula hoop( not the snack ) and out of 10 casts 8 went in at 125 yds . The thing with only a few guides on a blank is the line slapping the blank hindering and more chance of frapping. with lots of guides this cant happen. Also with more guides the cast is far more accurate . Of course the likes of Terry edmonds etc will whack a lead out of sight with any configuration but for a fishing rod i prefer smaller and more guides .
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Also i have 12ft 6 aviators with the same ringing pattern which perform for me so much better than the 40ml standard harrison factory rods .
All my own personal rods are built on the fuji guide concept which is what kev baynes had been doing for years Dave lumb also similar. I have just built myself 3 Anglers workshop 2.25 t.c 12ft (baby snipers) with 30ml butt guide 25 ml dbl leg on butt section and 8 single leg guides plus tip on tip section. Cast on field this morning 2 3/4 oz lead with single boilie . Put a hula hoop( not the snack ) and out of 10 casts 8 went in at 125 yds . The thing with only a few guides on a blank is the line slapping the blank hindering and more chance of frapping. with lots of guides this cant happen. Also with more guides the cast is far more accurate . Of course the likes of Terry edmonds etc will whack a lead out of sight with any configuration but for a fishing rod i prefer smaller and more guides .
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Also i have 12ft 6 aviators with the same ringing pattern which perform for me so much better than the 40ml standard harrison factory rods .
I've convinced myself I need 50mm rings for heavy flurocarbon, is this just in my head?
Also, did I invent it, or do I remember some time ago there was a butt ring that was really long? Like 25mm and 4 or so Inches long. Like the center off a ticket roll. Maybe beach anglers use them?
Also, did I invent it, or do I remember some time ago there was a butt ring that was really long? Like 25mm and 4 or so Inches long. Like the center off a ticket roll. Maybe beach anglers use them?
Thanks for the reply's all think a set of 40s is the way forward for me
Terry Edmonds once told me
one of the most important rings is the TIP Ring it should be 16mm and not 12
one of the most important rings is the TIP Ring it should be 16mm and not 12
In reply to Post #14
For distance ? He would,nt like mine then . 10s and the line flies through them .Why does everyone want distance rods ? Most of my biggest uk carp have been caught within 20yds of the bank . I get it on continental waters . I have seen blokes using 13ft 4lb rods 50ml rings on leeds liverpool canal !! Ffs
For distance ? He would,nt like mine then . 10s and the line flies through them .Why does everyone want distance rods ? Most of my biggest uk carp have been caught within 20yds of the bank . I get it on continental waters . I have seen blokes using 13ft 4lb rods 50ml rings on leeds liverpool canal !! Ffs
Jeffire what sort of cost are you looking for 3 rods re rung ? Thank you
Will be looking at the American tackle ti forged 40mm's
Will be looking at the American tackle ti forged 40mm's
In reply to Post #16
I no longer do tefurbs or rebuilds im afraid.
I no longer do tefurbs or rebuilds im afraid.
In reply to Post #17
No problem thank you
No problem thank you
In reply to Post #15
It's a long chuck down the left hand margin
It's a long chuck down the left hand margin
In reply to Post #18
I can thoroughly recommend East Coast Rod Building from near Clacton in Essex.
I can thoroughly recommend East Coast Rod Building from near Clacton in Essex.
50mm butt rings look carpy. They where a fantastic marketing tool to get everyone to buy new rods..... bit like the craze with 10fters. You prob dont need em.... but the tackle companies will convince you you do...then once it becomes trendy...the the floodgates open and everyone gets them, then you end up looking at them sat on your buzz bars, those gleeming 3.5tc 50mm butt rings that could cast to the moon.... but your fishing a 3acre pond. .. left thinking..... why the hell did i buy these?
In reply to Post #21
If you're long range fishing, having bigger larger diameter guides is obviously a no brainer.
If you're long range fishing, having bigger larger diameter guides is obviously a no brainer.
Bumping this thread, ive noticed recently (although probably been going on for a while) mark tunley and a few others are using a 50mm butt ring followed by a double 30mm then single 25,20,16 and 16mm tip.
I presume to make the tip lighter and more responsive? what are peoples views on single guides on the tip section are they durable enough?
I ask because i have a set of rods built with double 3d kigans 50,40,30,25,20 16 tip the guides on the tip are certainly overkill and was thinking of doing something with them to reduce the guide size?
I ideally would like to keep the 16mm tip as on the french public lakes and rivers i often use a 0.7mm leader which creates a large leader knot and can pick up bits of weed etc
I have always been a fan of using a guide with a proper liner kigans or fuiji's as i feel they are better with the braid i often use.
What are peoples views on this?
I presume to make the tip lighter and more responsive? what are peoples views on single guides on the tip section are they durable enough?
I ask because i have a set of rods built with double 3d kigans 50,40,30,25,20 16 tip the guides on the tip are certainly overkill and was thinking of doing something with them to reduce the guide size?
I ideally would like to keep the 16mm tip as on the french public lakes and rivers i often use a 0.7mm leader which creates a large leader knot and can pick up bits of weed etc
I have always been a fan of using a guide with a proper liner kigans or fuiji's as i feel they are better with the braid i often use.
What are peoples views on this?
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