I Just got a 30 day ban for using it on my club lake. It's my own fault for not reading the rules and have no problem about receiving the punishment. I was just wondering if maize is that bad for the carp that fisheries would ban it. I understand if it is not prepared properly it might cause them some problems. I've been preparing it for years I think it's great but does it offer anything nutritional for the carp. I can use sweetcorn and hemp on the lake but not maize, is hemp and sweetcorn better for the carp than maize. 
This is more than likely a hangover from when multi species and specialist clubs were trying to keep carp anglers out.
Maize is not bad for fish when prepared correctly, no worse than corn but the match and specialist guys want their corn.
Do they ban boilies too?
Maize is not bad for fish when prepared correctly, no worse than corn but the match and specialist guys want their corn.
Do they ban boilies too?
In reply to Post #1
Considering its used as a feed bait by fish farmers on the continent, I'd say its ok.
Considering its used as a feed bait by fish farmers on the continent, I'd say its ok.
In reply to Post #2
This is a carp lake, there are a few tench in there and some perch and eels . Boilies, sweetcorn and hemp all fine to use in there.
This is a carp lake, there are a few tench in there and some perch and eels . Boilies, sweetcorn and hemp all fine to use in there.
In reply to Post #3
Dry as well most of the time. Which I don't see the benefit of.
Seems like it's a rule that got put in by some jealousy at some point. Seen it before, a particle working really well and someone outfishing everyone, when they were finally rumbled as to what it was the following week it was banned. Turns out the jealous angler who saw the particle went to the management (who aren't anglers and have little knowledge) and told them the particle kills fish, etc and they blindly listened.
The particle was of course peanuts. Being used a handful at a time by one angler out of 30. Hardly going to destroy the fishery.
Dry as well most of the time. Which I don't see the benefit of.
Seems like it's a rule that got put in by some jealousy at some point. Seen it before, a particle working really well and someone outfishing everyone, when they were finally rumbled as to what it was the following week it was banned. Turns out the jealous angler who saw the particle went to the management (who aren't anglers and have little knowledge) and told them the particle kills fish, etc and they blindly listened.
The particle was of course peanuts. Being used a handful at a time by one angler out of 30. Hardly going to destroy the fishery.
Its probably more to do with the risk of someone not prepping it properly so its easier to blanket ban it, been used as a reason many a time and if it were my stock at risk I'd probably do the same unless I could control the situation some other way.
One of the reasons some lakes say to use only maize prepped by them or named prepped, Dynamite etc. I have found in the past exceptions are sometimes made once your known to know your stuff. Bit difficult in a club though, he's using it so why can't I sort of thing.
One of the reasons some lakes say to use only maize prepped by them or named prepped, Dynamite etc. I have found in the past exceptions are sometimes made once your known to know your stuff. Bit difficult in a club though, he's using it so why can't I sort of thing.
In reply to Post #5
Saves on prep time. It can prep itself in the lake lol.
Saves on prep time. It can prep itself in the lake lol.
Maize doesn't need to be boiled to be safe for the carp to eat, it will however be more nutritious for them once boiled.
I thought getting a 30 day ban was a little harsh a warning would of done. It's the first place ive ever fished where there is a maize ban especially on a carp lake.
In reply to Post #9
Well you could have just had a total ban, so not the worst.
Well you could have just had a total ban, so not the worst.
In reply to Post #10
Yes that I suppose, I was not trying to pull a stroke it was a genuine mistake. I would have happily used hemp and sweetcorn instead of maize.
Yes that I suppose, I was not trying to pull a stroke it was a genuine mistake. I would have happily used hemp and sweetcorn instead of maize.
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Would it be worth attending the AGM and suggesting a change to the rules? Possibly allowing maize and other particles supplied ready prepared from bait companies?
Would it be worth attending the AGM and suggesting a change to the rules? Possibly allowing maize and other particles supplied ready prepared from bait companies?
In reply to Post #8
Maize doesn't need to be boiled to be safe for the carp to eat, it will however be more nutritious for them once boiled.
True but it must however be fully rehydrated otherwise it can swell in their stomach and could kill them, soaking and then boiling makes sure that it is fully prepared properly and is a lot quicker and saves the risk of mold before it is fully rehydrated as it can take quite a few days to rehydrate without boiling.
I can understand lake owners wanting to totally remove the risk of carp death due to particles not being prepared properly but these days most people know the process pretty well as well as the risks if they don't do it right. I guess allowing people to use corn from a tin gives the angler an option that is similar to maize albeit a lot more expensive. The problem with allowing maize that is prepared by someone like Dynamite etc. still gives the stroke pullers an option to just buy a few jars of dynamite baits, use them and then just fill them up with their home prepared maize, how would you police this?
Maize doesn't need to be boiled to be safe for the carp to eat, it will however be more nutritious for them once boiled.
True but it must however be fully rehydrated otherwise it can swell in their stomach and could kill them, soaking and then boiling makes sure that it is fully prepared properly and is a lot quicker and saves the risk of mold before it is fully rehydrated as it can take quite a few days to rehydrate without boiling.
I can understand lake owners wanting to totally remove the risk of carp death due to particles not being prepared properly but these days most people know the process pretty well as well as the risks if they don't do it right. I guess allowing people to use corn from a tin gives the angler an option that is similar to maize albeit a lot more expensive. The problem with allowing maize that is prepared by someone like Dynamite etc. still gives the stroke pullers an option to just buy a few jars of dynamite baits, use them and then just fill them up with their home prepared maize, how would you police this?
In reply to Post #13
If it was prepared maize then what's the issue? It would be safe wouldnt it?
If it was prepared maize then what's the issue? It would be safe wouldnt it?
In reply to Post #14
absolutely, I guess the lake owners just doesn't/cant trust everyone to prepare it correctly.
I mean in theory he could go around the lake and check everyone's bait and do some sort of squeeze test to see if its fully rehydrated but I can't see that happening as it would be way to time consuming.
absolutely, I guess the lake owners just doesn't/cant trust everyone to prepare it correctly.
I mean in theory he could go around the lake and check everyone's bait and do some sort of squeeze test to see if its fully rehydrated but I can't see that happening as it would be way to time consuming.
In reply to Post #13
Fish farmers on the continent feed their stock dry maize in a lot of instances so I'm not sure that's true about swelling and killing them? Maize isn't like things like pigeon conditioner, that swell up massively when soaked?
Fish farmers on the continent feed their stock dry maize in a lot of instances so I'm not sure that's true about swelling and killing them? Maize isn't like things like pigeon conditioner, that swell up massively when soaked?
In reply to Post #16
It's a myth. I was asking a fish farmer near my home town in Austria about this, and he was literally laughing at me.
It's a myth. I was asking a fish farmer near my home town in Austria about this, and he was literally laughing at me.
In reply to Post #17
well I stand corrected, you learn something new every day.
well I stand corrected, you learn something new every day.
In reply to Post #16
Yep, I got talking to a chap called Pascal who runs a fish farm business in France. He raised Carp for the food industry and often supplemented their feed with maize. He looked puzzled at my prepared maize but was nice about it.
Yep, I got talking to a chap called Pascal who runs a fish farm business in France. He raised Carp for the food industry and often supplemented their feed with maize. He looked puzzled at my prepared maize but was nice about it.
In reply to Post #1
Just as a side note in Tom Bankes latest book he used maize on a massive scale on Savay, 2.5 tonnes in 6 months I believe.
Here's a quote from the book, bearing in mind the guy owns the place he definitely saw it as having a positive effect on the carp.
“ FINE LINE TO LUNACY”
“Conclusion
Over the remainder of that year, the Cottage Bay provided the last of the sightings, although not many carp were caught at all. Nevertheless, I continued fishing up to the first week in November, before the enthusiasm said 'enough'. Over this time, the maize spot died with the cooling temperatures, and the obvious pressure of forty captures from the area had taken its toll.
If there is a conclusion to my one episode of mass baiting and trying to recreate the pyramid at Savay, the finding was as follows: one long-term benefit of this effort that I couldn't have realised was that over the next two seasons, many of the carp captured off the maize were then found to have a spurt in growth. This happened when several pushed over the forty-pound mark for the first time. Whether this was coincidental, due to some other factor, I wouldn't know, but these individuals had been settled in weight for some years previous to my effort, and I became certain that by heavily baiting such a tight area with a food source they were unquestionably in want of, this prompted the lake's 'Top Set' to have to come face to face again, for a proper barge and shove about the ring.
This, I believe caused competitive nature to be rekindled, in comparison to the random spread of boiled bait, the proximity of which doesn't force the stock into the confined space of feeding head-to-head. This whole effect of one certain 'addition' I found a learner. Times since, I have tried maize elsewhere in mass and have had similar effects, but what I would say is that when it comes to maize, there is a vital tilt point that needs to be met should you give it a real go, otherwise, if half-hearted, its potential as a bait will remain unrealised.”
Just as a side note in Tom Bankes latest book he used maize on a massive scale on Savay, 2.5 tonnes in 6 months I believe.
Here's a quote from the book, bearing in mind the guy owns the place he definitely saw it as having a positive effect on the carp.
“ FINE LINE TO LUNACY”
“Conclusion
Over the remainder of that year, the Cottage Bay provided the last of the sightings, although not many carp were caught at all. Nevertheless, I continued fishing up to the first week in November, before the enthusiasm said 'enough'. Over this time, the maize spot died with the cooling temperatures, and the obvious pressure of forty captures from the area had taken its toll.
If there is a conclusion to my one episode of mass baiting and trying to recreate the pyramid at Savay, the finding was as follows: one long-term benefit of this effort that I couldn't have realised was that over the next two seasons, many of the carp captured off the maize were then found to have a spurt in growth. This happened when several pushed over the forty-pound mark for the first time. Whether this was coincidental, due to some other factor, I wouldn't know, but these individuals had been settled in weight for some years previous to my effort, and I became certain that by heavily baiting such a tight area with a food source they were unquestionably in want of, this prompted the lake's 'Top Set' to have to come face to face again, for a proper barge and shove about the ring.
This, I believe caused competitive nature to be rekindled, in comparison to the random spread of boiled bait, the proximity of which doesn't force the stock into the confined space of feeding head-to-head. This whole effect of one certain 'addition' I found a learner. Times since, I have tried maize elsewhere in mass and have had similar effects, but what I would say is that when it comes to maize, there is a vital tilt point that needs to be met should you give it a real go, otherwise, if half-hearted, its potential as a bait will remain unrealised.”
In reply to Post #20
Maize and tiger nuts both go out as they come in so they cannot be much good to carp , saying this Euro aqua feeds maize by the tonne and the fish certainly put lots of weight on there.
Maize and tiger nuts both go out as they come in so they cannot be much good to carp , saying this Euro aqua feeds maize by the tonne and the fish certainly put lots of weight on there.
In reply to Post #16
Where do you live in Austria , I lived there for eight years and loved every minute of it.
Where do you live in Austria , I lived there for eight years and loved every minute of it.
In reply to Post #22
I used to live north of Salzburg, but moved to Croatia a couple of years ago.
I used to live north of Salzburg, but moved to Croatia a couple of years ago.
In reply to Post #21
Cooked maize is massively more digestable/nutritious. Add garlic powder to it.
Cooked maize is massively more digestable/nutritious. Add garlic powder to it.
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