.. what are people's thoughts.
https://www.zsl.org/news-and-events/news/uk-sturgeon-action-plan
A drive to bring sturgeon numbers up in UK waters.
What are your thoughts?
A new breed of 'instant sturgeon hunters' with armour grey bivvies?
Effect on existing fish?
Otters nightmare?
For me I'm happy to see any animal on the cusp of extinction being given a chance
https://www.zsl.org/news-and-events/news/uk-sturgeon-action-plan
A drive to bring sturgeon numbers up in UK waters.
What are your thoughts?
A new breed of 'instant sturgeon hunters' with armour grey bivvies?
Effect on existing fish?
Otters nightmare?
For me I'm happy to see any animal on the cusp of extinction being given a chance
In reply to Post #1
They are mug fish who are a pain in the arse for going through lines in the margins. Used to float fish for them in France to pass the time
They are mug fish who are a pain in the arse for going through lines in the margins. Used to float fish for them in France to pass the time
In reply to Post #1
I'd be happy to see them return to our rivers but unfortunately there's not too much chance of success while the water companies and pumping 5hit into them on a regular basis.
I'd be happy to see them return to our rivers but unfortunately there's not too much chance of success while the water companies and pumping 5hit into them on a regular basis.
In reply to Post #1
I HATE THEM WITH A VENGEANCE Completely ruin fisheries ZERO skill in catching them they are just a stupid eating machine
I have often been plagued with them in France often catching the same fish several times during the trip god forbid they get a hold on our rivers it will ruin the barbel and chub fishing
I HATE THEM WITH A VENGEANCE Completely ruin fisheries ZERO skill in catching them they are just a stupid eating machine
I have often been plagued with them in France often catching the same fish several times during the trip god forbid they get a hold on our rivers it will ruin the barbel and chub fishing
In reply to Post #4
Stupid eating machine
Similar to Carp then
Stupid eating machine
Similar to Carp then
In reply to Post #5
And teenage lads....
And teenage lads....
In reply to Post #1
Would be nice of course, but having read the link you posted i can see a lot of problems with the conditions needed for it to be a real success, like migration, gl with that. In russia and the usa conditions are way better, and it kinda annoys me how "conservationalists" in western europe think they can recreate nature while at the same time overpopulate that same area. It simply doesn't work like that.
But they are a great animal, and i always felt sorry for them catching them day in/day out on closed off waters.
Would be nice of course, but having read the link you posted i can see a lot of problems with the conditions needed for it to be a real success, like migration, gl with that. In russia and the usa conditions are way better, and it kinda annoys me how "conservationalists" in western europe think they can recreate nature while at the same time overpopulate that same area. It simply doesn't work like that.
But they are a great animal, and i always felt sorry for them catching them day in/day out on closed off waters.
In reply to Post #4
Agree with Gerry, pain in the arse fish.. like bream on steroids 😂😂
Agree with Gerry, pain in the arse fish.. like bream on steroids 😂😂
In reply to Post #7
I am a bit surprised by how strong some feelings are against them. But then again carp anglers....
I've never seen one or fished for one. Just seen the majestic creatures on various fishing programmes from the likes of Jeremy Wade et al.
I've heard rumours of a big one in an old mill lake in Lancashire but it could be an urban legend
I am a bit surprised by how strong some feelings are against them. But then again carp anglers....
I've never seen one or fished for one. Just seen the majestic creatures on various fishing programmes from the likes of Jeremy Wade et al.
I've heard rumours of a big one in an old mill lake in Lancashire but it could be an urban legend
In reply to Post #9
I am a bit surprised by how strong some feelings are against them. But then again carp anglers..
sadly that the trouble with people like you !
that havent seen the way some waters are completely ruined by this species
( bit like the people that advocate Otters ) seeing them as an unusual fish and maybe good to catch
they cant and dont see how it can badly effect waters
and I AM NOT just a Carp angler I more concerned about our rivers and this and catfish getting a hold and completely upsetting the Balance the Barbel and chub have already started to decline
I am a bit surprised by how strong some feelings are against them. But then again carp anglers..
sadly that the trouble with people like you !
that havent seen the way some waters are completely ruined by this species
( bit like the people that advocate Otters ) seeing them as an unusual fish and maybe good to catch
they cant and dont see how it can badly effect waters
and I AM NOT just a Carp angler I more concerned about our rivers and this and catfish getting a hold and completely upsetting the Balance the Barbel and chub have already started to decline
In reply to Post #10
Bloody hell. Calm down gerry.
'People like me' just asked for some views on a fishing forum.
Bloody hell. Calm down gerry.
'People like me' just asked for some views on a fishing forum.
In reply to Post #11
and I gave you an honest view ?
if you dont like the answer ? dont ask the question mate
(But then again carp anglers..) !!!!!!
and I gave you an honest view ?
if you dont like the answer ? dont ask the question mate
(But then again carp anglers..) !!!!!!
In reply to Post #9
Yeah me too. Well i understand it for closed off waters, and i understand the worry about balance in certain waters, but when we are talking about big delta's it could work. I mean, catfish population has exploded over europe (almost 2 meter long species literally 300 meters from my home in freaking holland) and it still has a excellent coarse population for both carp and match anglers. But now i see topstaryoutubecarpanglingprofessionals screaming like little bitches when they hook a small catfish, eeew not going to touch that, they might put slime on my white sneakers, ghegehg
Yeah me too. Well i understand it for closed off waters, and i understand the worry about balance in certain waters, but when we are talking about big delta's it could work. I mean, catfish population has exploded over europe (almost 2 meter long species literally 300 meters from my home in freaking holland) and it still has a excellent coarse population for both carp and match anglers. But now i see topstaryoutubecarpanglingprofessionals screaming like little bitches when they hook a small catfish, eeew not going to touch that, they might put slime on my white sneakers, ghegehg
In reply to Post #10
Think you need to chill out a bit bud. It doesn't say it explicitly in the article but it's about reintroducing them to rivers. Not shoving them in lakes.
One sad outcome of this sort of thing is that it shows that carp will never be considered a native species in the UK. Sturgeon have been missing from our native ecosystems for stupidly long. They have evolved without them. Yet they are still classed as a native species. Sad reminder that NE are idiots.
Think you need to chill out a bit bud. It doesn't say it explicitly in the article but it's about reintroducing them to rivers. Not shoving them in lakes.
One sad outcome of this sort of thing is that it shows that carp will never be considered a native species in the UK. Sturgeon have been missing from our native ecosystems for stupidly long. They have evolved without them. Yet they are still classed as a native species. Sad reminder that NE are idiots.
In reply to Post #10
So wasn't the Sturgeon a native UK species that got overfished/polluted, whereas Barbel were stocked/invasive in west flowing rivers? And mainly for matches? And the report is on about rivers, not stillwater. And carp are massively invasive.
Maybe a few 500lb sturgeon will give the otters something to munch on 🤷🏻♀️
So wasn't the Sturgeon a native UK species that got overfished/polluted, whereas Barbel were stocked/invasive in west flowing rivers? And mainly for matches? And the report is on about rivers, not stillwater. And carp are massively invasive.
Maybe a few 500lb sturgeon will give the otters something to munch on 🤷🏻♀️
I remember having a chat with an EA regional boss a few years ago on the bank, and Sturgeon came up in the conversation – plan was to remove all none native varieties of Sturgeon and re-locate them into 5 regional land locked still waters , as they apparently carry parasites and diseases native Atlantic Sturgeon can't cope with. It was then hoped that Atlantic Sturgeon would naturally and with a bit of help re-populate British Rivers (Which was actually starting to happen)
It was 4-5 years ago, not heard much about any progress to date, other than Mal's post.
Ps, Wels Catfish were once actually native to the British Isles, when excavations have been being carried out on the British side of “Doggerland” (The area between Britain and continental Europe that was once dry land) fish bones that were found in Neolithic village sites when tested – happened to be Wels Catfish bones!
It was 4-5 years ago, not heard much about any progress to date, other than Mal's post.
Ps, Wels Catfish were once actually native to the British Isles, when excavations have been being carried out on the British side of “Doggerland” (The area between Britain and continental Europe that was once dry land) fish bones that were found in Neolithic village sites when tested – happened to be Wels Catfish bones!
Last one caught in the Wye by all accounts was in the 19th century in 1846 at 182lb which is setup in the Hereford Museum, but I seem to remember reading an article once that I'm sure one of between 60 to 80lb was caught around the time of the 2nd World War.
I have to admit I've caught loads abroad to 114lb and they are an annoyance when not the intended species also some lakes as mentioned when theres only a few they do and I have caught the same fish more than once in the same week.
As a native species to the rivers which is what the article is about "reintroduction of said species" your not going to get anywhere with convincing arguments not to introduce them if the decisions been made, I doubt it will be a success anyway the rivers are a different landscape to what they were a century or more ago hence the reason they died out.
I've still yet to see the devastation that was predicted around 2007 when a lake that the dam wall collapsed on spewing catfish into the Lugg of over 100lb along with hundreds of baby kittens, I though by now there would be reports regularly of them getting caught in the Lugg as well as the Wye which the Lugg feeds into, the EA electro fished the river for weeks locally to the area they entered and only ever caught one small kitten, now they thrive in the **** and the rivers full of it, hopefully they never do populate in the numbers that they can as that would be the kiss of death on the Lugg and the Wye and a fish I detest catching more than a sturgeon.
I have to admit I've caught loads abroad to 114lb and they are an annoyance when not the intended species also some lakes as mentioned when theres only a few they do and I have caught the same fish more than once in the same week.
As a native species to the rivers which is what the article is about "reintroduction of said species" your not going to get anywhere with convincing arguments not to introduce them if the decisions been made, I doubt it will be a success anyway the rivers are a different landscape to what they were a century or more ago hence the reason they died out.
I've still yet to see the devastation that was predicted around 2007 when a lake that the dam wall collapsed on spewing catfish into the Lugg of over 100lb along with hundreds of baby kittens, I though by now there would be reports regularly of them getting caught in the Lugg as well as the Wye which the Lugg feeds into, the EA electro fished the river for weeks locally to the area they entered and only ever caught one small kitten, now they thrive in the **** and the rivers full of it, hopefully they never do populate in the numbers that they can as that would be the kiss of death on the Lugg and the Wye and a fish I detest catching more than a sturgeon.
In reply to Post #1
They are not on the cusp of extinction, there are millions of them in the Pacific Northwest of the USA.
They are not on the cusp of extinction, there are millions of them in the Pacific Northwest of the USA.
In reply to Post #18
Not as many as there used to be, they tag and release Sturgeon in Canada to monitor numbers.
LINK
Not as many as there used to be, they tag and release Sturgeon in Canada to monitor numbers.
LINK
In reply to Post #18
Are they the same species though?
Are they the same species though?
In reply to Post #20
The one in North America and Canada are a different species to the European and Atlantic Sturgeon.
The ones over there are white sturgeon.
The one in North America and Canada are a different species to the European and Atlantic Sturgeon.
The ones over there are white sturgeon.
Horrid things - I know they replaced Salmon in Scotland but recently extinct after the husband bought a caravan with party funds...
In reply to Post #16
, Wels Catfish were once actually native to the British Isles, when excavations have been being carried out on the British side of “Doggerland” (The area between Britain and continental Europe that was once dry land) fish bones that were found in Neolithic village sites when tested – happened to be Wels Catfish bones!
Wow!
I knew barbel were limited to the East Coast, Thames to Trent, everything in the West is stocked by mankind, so Severn and Wye are not indigenous fish.
, Wels Catfish were once actually native to the British Isles, when excavations have been being carried out on the British side of “Doggerland” (The area between Britain and continental Europe that was once dry land) fish bones that were found in Neolithic village sites when tested – happened to be Wels Catfish bones!
Wow!
I knew barbel were limited to the East Coast, Thames to Trent, everything in the West is stocked by mankind, so Severn and Wye are not indigenous fish.
In reply to Post #23
Everything in the west? Really? Surely there must be some species that are indigenous?
Or do you just mean the barbel in the west?
Everything in the west? Really? Surely there must be some species that are indigenous?
Or do you just mean the barbel in the west?
In reply to Post #23
The Thames and trent were once tributaries of the danube.
The Thames and trent were once tributaries of the danube.
In reply to Post #24
Barbel.
Barbel.
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