How do i make it so i can drop the lead when reeling in? Im fishing mega distance woth a bait boat in a mega weedy lake, possibly 350-400 yds. Im having to fish 10oz leads and reeling in is almost impossible. How an i drop the lead every time when reeling in yet still keep a very tight line?
You boat them out there , you boat them back in . No unnecessary lost leads and a big tick in the personal responsibility box . Nevertheless the circumstances you described smack of fish at any cost.
In reply to Post #1
IF its almost impossible to wind a lead in how would you land carp?
You say you are dropping rigs with a bait boat, i could maybe understand if you were using a proper boat and could land fish from it and as previous post from ddw says retrieve end tackle with a boat
IF its almost impossible to wind a lead in how would you land carp?
You say you are dropping rigs with a bait boat, i could maybe understand if you were using a proper boat and could land fish from it and as previous post from ddw says retrieve end tackle with a boat
In reply to Post #3
This mirrors my thoughts - if you can't get a relatively small and streamlined lead through then how would you get a decent fish back?
The only time I can think this would be possible is in very low lying weed....?
This mirrors my thoughts - if you can't get a relatively small and streamlined lead through then how would you get a decent fish back?
The only time I can think this would be possible is in very low lying weed....?
Correct weed is low, its very shallow untill you get to the deep part, cant use a real boat only a bait boat, can only fish from the shallow end of pake and bait boat them out, landing a fish is fine as the lead is off and the fish isnt on the deck, however trying to reel in a 10oz lead is a differnt story!
In reply to Post #6
Why do you need a 10oz lead?
Why do you need a 10oz lead?
In reply to Post #7
Agree with this, can't really see the need for a 10oz lead unless you are fishing a river or there are massive undertow problems...
....the only way you are going to possibly drop it on retrieval is by tying it on with a "rotten bottom" so a light 2lb mono that snaps as soon as it hits the weed, well in theory anyway!
Agree with this, can't really see the need for a 10oz lead unless you are fishing a river or there are massive undertow problems...
....the only way you are going to possibly drop it on retrieval is by tying it on with a "rotten bottom" so a light 2lb mono that snaps as soon as it hits the weed, well in theory anyway!
I am totally against the dropping of leads. If your fishing circumstances make you think you need to then you should not be fishing there.
When fishing weedy lakes i will use inline leads like most of us did before the Korda boys started advertising systems for dropping leads and lining their pockets.
I dread to think of the quantity of lead in busy lakes and what future disaster this can lead to our fisheries.
How can we justify deliberately polluting our fisheries we care about with dumping lead in the water. As my brother a sea angler said after seeing the Korda films you may as well chuck your old car battery in the lake as well.
When fishing weedy lakes i will use inline leads like most of us did before the Korda boys started advertising systems for dropping leads and lining their pockets.
I dread to think of the quantity of lead in busy lakes and what future disaster this can lead to our fisheries.
How can we justify deliberately polluting our fisheries we care about with dumping lead in the water. As my brother a sea angler said after seeing the Korda films you may as well chuck your old car battery in the lake as well.
In reply to Post #8
The lake is very exposed, is very windy, the floating weed and massi e undertow and the need to have very tight linesis dragging anything under 10oz
The lake is very exposed, is very windy, the floating weed and massi e undertow and the need to have very tight linesis dragging anything under 10oz
Got sorted, moved to braid, fox drop off running rig, can strike out of it.
In reply to Post #11
And Jim Gibbinson advocated their use well before that.
And Jim Gibbinson advocated their use well before that.
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Yes it was a Jim Gibbinson article that put me onto inline leads for weedy waters.
Yes it was a Jim Gibbinson article that put me onto inline leads for weedy waters.
In reply to Post #12
‘Moved to braid' ..... so you were fishing 350-400 yards on mono ?
‘Moved to braid' ..... so you were fishing 350-400 yards on mono ?
In reply to Post #16
Imagine the bite detection was spot on with all that stretch
Imagine the bite detection was spot on with all that stretch
In reply to Post #17
Hence the need for heavy leads so you can take out the stretch and still hold bottom
Hence the need for heavy leads so you can take out the stretch and still hold bottom
In reply to Post #18
Most monos will have 20-30% stretch. I assume you can do the maths to calculate you are not taking that out with a 10 ounce lead over 300m.
Most monos will have 20-30% stretch. I assume you can do the maths to calculate you are not taking that out with a 10 ounce lead over 300m.
In reply to Post #18
That comment is funny, If you think you can take stretch out of mono by tightening up to a lead even at close range i think you need to reevaluate your thinking.
Even braid in heavy weed at that range and say 10oz leads can give you problems with poor bite detection and end tackle being moved about, one post you say weed is low another you say about the floating weed and massive undertow.
That comment is funny, If you think you can take stretch out of mono by tightening up to a lead even at close range i think you need to reevaluate your thinking.
Even braid in heavy weed at that range and say 10oz leads can give you problems with poor bite detection and end tackle being moved about, one post you say weed is low another you say about the floating weed and massive undertow.
850 grams left in the lake every time you redo your rods,
#CatchAtAllCosts
#CatchAtAllCosts
Might be closer to them if you can go around to the other opposing bank 350/400 yards 
In reply to Post #18
Hi John
I spent many years fishing the inland seas of Europe and eastern Europe at range, so these notes are just from experience and not having a dig
Firstly as mentioned use a rotten bottom weight attachment (we cut one end of a swivel off, drilled a heavy pebble or small rock and glued the swivel in) This was then attached to a standard lead clip system by 1-1.5lb pole elastic which is strong enough to set the hook but easily breaks when either a run occurs or realing in
Fishing at range will always involve tow, fishing across shallows into deeper water will always cause abrasion to your mainline at the point of drop off. Depending on the make up of the lake bed your mainline won't last long (mono, braid whatever) it's a big no no for me.
You described "massive weed", at the ranges you're describing you're going to get so many false indications I wouldn't have thought it's worth it inline lead or not
Lastly, the only way you'll get a tight line from the end tackle to the mainline (at the distances you're describing) is to use a 20ft lead attached to the mainline ahead of the end tackle. You'll never get a tight line at that distance, braid or mono. (Also using a bait boat at that range negates the benefits because presentation and set up are guesswork)
Not trying to put you off fishing at range as it's given me great pleasure over the years, just a few musings from my experiences for you to ponder upon
Best
Jon
Hi John
I spent many years fishing the inland seas of Europe and eastern Europe at range, so these notes are just from experience and not having a dig
Firstly as mentioned use a rotten bottom weight attachment (we cut one end of a swivel off, drilled a heavy pebble or small rock and glued the swivel in) This was then attached to a standard lead clip system by 1-1.5lb pole elastic which is strong enough to set the hook but easily breaks when either a run occurs or realing in
Fishing at range will always involve tow, fishing across shallows into deeper water will always cause abrasion to your mainline at the point of drop off. Depending on the make up of the lake bed your mainline won't last long (mono, braid whatever) it's a big no no for me.
You described "massive weed", at the ranges you're describing you're going to get so many false indications I wouldn't have thought it's worth it inline lead or not
Lastly, the only way you'll get a tight line from the end tackle to the mainline (at the distances you're describing) is to use a 20ft lead attached to the mainline ahead of the end tackle. You'll never get a tight line at that distance, braid or mono. (Also using a bait boat at that range negates the benefits because presentation and set up are guesswork)
Not trying to put you off fishing at range as it's given me great pleasure over the years, just a few musings from my experiences for you to ponder upon
Best
Jon
Thanks for that i like the idea of a double lead!
And yes ive had to re spool a few times this trip!
And yes ive had to re spool a few times this trip!
Lets get one thing very clear about where i am fishing. Its not a case of catch at all costs for me personally, although it is for the owner of the fish.
Im fishing a lake that is not open for fishing, its a lake that is connected by a series if oulets. One if these outlets leads to a carp fishery of substantial size with big fish.
This lake flooded and a nuber of the fish have been seen in the lake im curently fishing, ie they got out in the flood.
The fishery owner approced the owner of THIS lake and asked if we could try and get them out. He was granted permission with a very secific set of rules.
1) only one angler
2) only fish from one bank in one peg thst had to be made
3) no actual boat
4) only tiger nuts (no idea why)
So yes, while not ideal the rules state i must fish from one bank, in the summer its fine, as ive stated in front of me is 2-3ft for a long long way. Fish were caught and returned.
Now its winter and permission is still in place, drone footage has shown there are still a significant ammount of fish here, they still need catching, the deeper water is a long way out, you can bait boat it or you can wade out and cast, equally when a fish is hooked you can wade right out to land it.
The reason i made the post was to ask if anyone knew of a way i could drop the lead on retreave simply because i needed to use big leads, i didnt want to be wading miles in the dark, cold, very windy, wet days and nights we have just had, equally with the weed now breaking up i was beeing dragged all over the place.
I whole heartedly agree it would be miles better to fish from the other bank however i cant. Do i need to catch at all costs? Well personally no but for the fish owner yes as if THIS lake floods chances are they will vanish, fish have been retured home to 52lbs so far this year so its clearly working. (Not caught by myself (im one of 3 people fishing the lake in rotation) but documented on the fishery website)
This isnt your average fishing trip, its also well documented on my insta.
Note - from my description above some people may of worked out where i am, please if you have dont post it but feel free to bring me a brew, ive litrally not seen a human for over 2 weeks!
Im fishing a lake that is not open for fishing, its a lake that is connected by a series if oulets. One if these outlets leads to a carp fishery of substantial size with big fish.
This lake flooded and a nuber of the fish have been seen in the lake im curently fishing, ie they got out in the flood.
The fishery owner approced the owner of THIS lake and asked if we could try and get them out. He was granted permission with a very secific set of rules.
1) only one angler
2) only fish from one bank in one peg thst had to be made
3) no actual boat
4) only tiger nuts (no idea why)
So yes, while not ideal the rules state i must fish from one bank, in the summer its fine, as ive stated in front of me is 2-3ft for a long long way. Fish were caught and returned.
Now its winter and permission is still in place, drone footage has shown there are still a significant ammount of fish here, they still need catching, the deeper water is a long way out, you can bait boat it or you can wade out and cast, equally when a fish is hooked you can wade right out to land it.
The reason i made the post was to ask if anyone knew of a way i could drop the lead on retreave simply because i needed to use big leads, i didnt want to be wading miles in the dark, cold, very windy, wet days and nights we have just had, equally with the weed now breaking up i was beeing dragged all over the place.
I whole heartedly agree it would be miles better to fish from the other bank however i cant. Do i need to catch at all costs? Well personally no but for the fish owner yes as if THIS lake floods chances are they will vanish, fish have been retured home to 52lbs so far this year so its clearly working. (Not caught by myself (im one of 3 people fishing the lake in rotation) but documented on the fishery website)
This isnt your average fishing trip, its also well documented on my insta.
Note - from my description above some people may of worked out where i am, please if you have dont post it but feel free to bring me a brew, ive litrally not seen a human for over 2 weeks!
In reply to Post #25
fishing at 400yds,
no boat allowed,
heavily weeded,
no available help,
restricted to one bait,
restricted to one swim,
boy someone likes a challenge!
personally I'de drain it, net'em out, put them back where they came from and pray for no more floods.
but 52lb carp you say,,, any spare tickets going?
fishing at 400yds,
no boat allowed,
heavily weeded,
no available help,
restricted to one bait,
restricted to one swim,
boy someone likes a challenge!
personally I'de drain it, net'em out, put them back where they came from and pray for no more floods.
but 52lb carp you say,,, any spare tickets going?
In reply to Post #26
Infortunatly draining is not an option not is netting or elecrofishing!
Infortunatly draining is not an option not is netting or elecrofishing!
In reply to Post #27
I was actually joking about draining it,
but on a little more serious note,
have you considered placing your rods "beachcaster" style similar to fishing for big cats in Europe, it would reduce the amount of line in the water for a considerable way out from the bank, and help get a more instant contact with a take not having to retrieve yards of line from weed.
are you permitted to "rake" the weed?
if you can wade a good distance before getting out of your depth, it might be beneficial in one or two ways, easier to extract any hooked fish, and carp just love a fresh area to investigate, which is part of the reason they made their way to their current location. you may be able to entice them over a period of baiting into a prepared "extraction zone"
don't take chances wading out at the very least take a decent wading pole to test the depth and bottom composition of your chosen route.
and good luck.
I was actually joking about draining it,
but on a little more serious note,
have you considered placing your rods "beachcaster" style similar to fishing for big cats in Europe, it would reduce the amount of line in the water for a considerable way out from the bank, and help get a more instant contact with a take not having to retrieve yards of line from weed.
are you permitted to "rake" the weed?
if you can wade a good distance before getting out of your depth, it might be beneficial in one or two ways, easier to extract any hooked fish, and carp just love a fresh area to investigate, which is part of the reason they made their way to their current location. you may be able to entice them over a period of baiting into a prepared "extraction zone"
don't take chances wading out at the very least take a decent wading pole to test the depth and bottom composition of your chosen route.
and good luck.
In reply to Post #28
Yup rod tips are up in the air using my solar universal euro pod. Far to much weed to rake put unfortunately.
Its all good now, all i needed was to drop the lead on the retreave and got that sorted. Currently on night night 14 without seening another human!
Yup rod tips are up in the air using my solar universal euro pod. Far to much weed to rake put unfortunately.
Its all good now, all i needed was to drop the lead on the retreave and got that sorted. Currently on night night 14 without seening another human!
In reply to Post #29
so 14 nights nobody would have seen a small inflatable..
so 14 nights nobody would have seen a small inflatable..
In reply to Post #30
Haha, its got cameras and the lake owners house overlooks it!
Haha, its got cameras and the lake owners house overlooks it!
In reply to Post #31
is it just me or does every solution expose a new problem!!
is it just me or does every solution expose a new problem!!
In reply to Post #29
Assuming you're redoing your rods once a day, you'll have dropped about 12kg of lead into a lake on this trip so far
#CatchAtAllCosts
Assuming you're redoing your rods once a day, you'll have dropped about 12kg of lead into a lake on this trip so far
#CatchAtAllCosts
In reply to Post #33
should be a visible island by next month
should be a visible island by next month
In reply to Post #33
Small ammount if you take into account the ammount of lead that gets dropped into most day ticket lakes week in week out, ifact is the very same setup now thst 90% of people use at rainbow except they use 2x 10oz leads.
Not red9ne my rods for 3 days now
Small ammount if you take into account the ammount of lead that gets dropped into most day ticket lakes week in week out, ifact is the very same setup now thst 90% of people use at rainbow except they use 2x 10oz leads.
Not red9ne my rods for 3 days now
In reply to Post #35
that's rig presentation confidence right there!!
hope that tiger nut isn't buried under 12kg of leads.
that's rig presentation confidence right there!!
hope that tiger nut isn't buried under 12kg of leads.
If dropping from a bait boat and wanting to drop the lead each time then could you use a stone/rock as a weight instead? Would be cheaper too.
Although I note that it isn't you who has raised concerns with dropping the lead.
Although I note that it isn't you who has raised concerns with dropping the lead.
In reply to Post #25
So we don't know where it is, but if we do, don't let on,, but bring tea, 'cos your lonely
but it's well documented on your "insta" [I'm old, I don't know what that means]
and it's all on the fishery website,
got a link?
ps, you can pm me if you like.
So we don't know where it is, but if we do, don't let on,, but bring tea, 'cos your lonely
but it's well documented on your "insta" [I'm old, I don't know what that means]
and it's all on the fishery website,
got a link?
ps, you can pm me if you like.
In reply to Post #38
On instagram which is a social media platform try searching johnhcarp i thought he used to post on here under a different user name
On instagram which is a social media platform try searching johnhcarp i thought he used to post on here under a different user name
In reply to Post #39
I tried but It wants me to have an account,, not that important, just curious was all.
I tried but It wants me to have an account,, not that important, just curious was all.
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