Fishing wafters at the moment and just got a few new tubs accidentally ordered large instead of small.therefore my size 6 hooks are to small and doesn't quite sit as well as I'd like, I've seen people trim wafters in the past does that affect the buoyancy? As I tend to leave my baits out for a log time due to the fish spooking very easily, any advice would be appreciated
In reply to Post #1
I trim mine with a craft knife,it's neater than scissors and can take a little bit at a time.I test them in a bucket to make sure they are sitting exactly how I want,hook lay flat with wafter just slightly lifted.
I trim mine with a craft knife,it's neater than scissors and can take a little bit at a time.I test them in a bucket to make sure they are sitting exactly how I want,hook lay flat with wafter just slightly lifted.
In reply to Post #1
best advice... order the right ones next time
best advice... order the right ones next time
In reply to Post #3
Better to have them over buoyant and have a simple way of fine tuning them no? he may go to a venue and fish a larger hook who knows.
to the OP - Generally as hookbaits have hardeners throughout, you arent going to make it wash out too much faster than before, I certainly wouldnt worry with a decent wafter for atleast 24 hours
Better to have them over buoyant and have a simple way of fine tuning them no? he may go to a venue and fish a larger hook who knows.
to the OP - Generally as hookbaits have hardeners throughout, you arent going to make it wash out too much faster than before, I certainly wouldnt worry with a decent wafter for atleast 24 hours
In reply to Post #1
Also half a wafter works quite well as inherent wafter rigs aren't at carps eyesight and they look down on them, you can match the visual appearance of 15mm whilst having great hookbait seperation
Also half a wafter works quite well as inherent wafter rigs aren't at carps eyesight and they look down on them, you can match the visual appearance of 15mm whilst having great hookbait seperation
Okay perfect thanks all for the advice, they are dumbbell style so trimming them down to a 3/4 or a half might work well actually I'll give it a go
In reply to Post #6
if your worried about water getting into them once trimmed down, shrink wrap them, that will stop the water leaking in
if your worried about water getting into them once trimmed down, shrink wrap them, that will stop the water leaking in
In reply to Post #6
Once you know how much of a bait to trim one, try and do it in one slice and you end up with neat little "tippers"
Once you know how much of a bait to trim one, try and do it in one slice and you end up with neat little "tippers"
In reply to Post #1
Can't see the point in wafters.
Either fish baits on the bottom (my preference) or if a pop up is really necessary use a buoyant pop up nailed to the bottom with a good weight that keeps it popped up at the distance required.
I used to use balanced/wafter baits and went to great trouble inserting solder wire to achieve them, then one day I thought to myself why do I want a bait that moves around so freely when an amoeba farts and moves it all over the place making it difficult for the fish to take the bait.
Does anyone consider the depth of water when fishing wafters, I used to test them in the margins but what about water pressure baring down in deeper water?
I've come to the conclusion that we worry far more than carp do.
Can't see the point in wafters.
Either fish baits on the bottom (my preference) or if a pop up is really necessary use a buoyant pop up nailed to the bottom with a good weight that keeps it popped up at the distance required.
I used to use balanced/wafter baits and went to great trouble inserting solder wire to achieve them, then one day I thought to myself why do I want a bait that moves around so freely when an amoeba farts and moves it all over the place making it difficult for the fish to take the bait.
Does anyone consider the depth of water when fishing wafters, I used to test them in the margins but what about water pressure baring down in deeper water?
I've come to the conclusion that we worry far more than carp do.
In reply to Post #9
Yeah I tend to under balance em a bit
Yeah I tend to under balance em a bit
In reply to Post #9
Same - I tend to overweight popups, and I usually use wafters to top off snowmen. Don't know why
Same - I tend to overweight popups, and I usually use wafters to top off snowmen. Don't know why
In reply to Post #11
Because most wafters now aren't lol, they're “crap pop ups” too buoyant for traditional wafter rigs haha.
I too use one in a snow man, friend made the observation the snowman sits slightly slanted almost drunk, so it's a tipsy snowman now
Because most wafters now aren't lol, they're “crap pop ups” too buoyant for traditional wafter rigs haha.
I too use one in a snow man, friend made the observation the snowman sits slightly slanted almost drunk, so it's a tipsy snowman now
In reply to Post #9
You ask any bait company what sells more pop ups or wafters and it's the later by a considerable margin usually, it's handy when you want to fish in the bottom but have a light and efficient rig. Not for everyone but certain for a lot of people
You ask any bait company what sells more pop ups or wafters and it's the later by a considerable margin usually, it's handy when you want to fish in the bottom but have a light and efficient rig. Not for everyone but certain for a lot of people
In reply to Post #13
But is that because the comics tell them waiters are better? And bait co's have a vested interest in selling a tub of wafters rather than someone using a bait out of the bag....
But is that because the comics tell them waiters are better? And bait co's have a vested interest in selling a tub of wafters rather than someone using a bait out of the bag....
In reply to Post #13
I would be extremely surprised if that's the case. I have a small group of fishing friends but not a single one of us have ever bought wafters.
I would be extremely surprised if that's the case. I have a small group of fishing friends but not a single one of us have ever bought wafters.
In reply to Post #15
in 30 years I bought 2 pots of wafters.
in 30 years I bought 2 pots of wafters.
In reply to Post #1
Just slice bits off until you have the buoyancy you want, they will be fine.
Just slice bits off until you have the buoyancy you want, they will be fine.
In reply to Post #16
two more than i have
two more than i have
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In reply to Post #15
I promise you it is
I promise you it is
In reply to Post #20
I promise you dont know.
I'll tell you why you dont know, you dont know because you know nothing about the sales of Mainline, Nash, Sticky, Essential etc and many many others.
You like to think you do and like to make out you know everything but you just dont.
I promise you dont know.
I'll tell you why you dont know, you dont know because you know nothing about the sales of Mainline, Nash, Sticky, Essential etc and many many others.
You like to think you do and like to make out you know everything but you just dont.
In reply to Post #1
Drill the bottom and add a small amount of putty or small split shot to balance it out
with putty you can keep tweaking to get it where you want in terms of buoyancy
Drill the bottom and add a small amount of putty or small split shot to balance it out
with putty you can keep tweaking to get it where you want in terms of buoyancy
I always thought wafters were made for those of us who used critically balanced baits to make life easier. The idea being that wary carp feeding cautiously would suck a balanced bait in further and get nailed. Not suitable for use in a shoal situation where multiple fish are moving around and throwing baits about due to water movement.. On the other hand some fish may find it easier to displace food from the floor and eat it as it wafts back down. We all have theories but observation is key. Otherwise it's a best guess scenario. As usual.
In reply to Post #23
I love a wafter. For me they started back in the day when you would just counteract the hook weight to ensure they were the same buoyancy at the rest of them.
I still have that thinking but also think they massively improve rig mechanics and presentation. When margin fishing against islands, I'd rather I come to rest on a bit of chod / twig than sink under it or present an inch on top of it. I create all my wafters but using a topper, but I use them in a matched way not as a bright colour.
I can't remember the last time I fished just one out of the bag alone, I believe my way gives you best of both worlds, an identical hook bait with some help for a soft and natural landing
I love a wafter. For me they started back in the day when you would just counteract the hook weight to ensure they were the same buoyancy at the rest of them.
I still have that thinking but also think they massively improve rig mechanics and presentation. When margin fishing against islands, I'd rather I come to rest on a bit of chod / twig than sink under it or present an inch on top of it. I create all my wafters but using a topper, but I use them in a matched way not as a bright colour.
I can't remember the last time I fished just one out of the bag alone, I believe my way gives you best of both worlds, an identical hook bait with some help for a soft and natural landing
In reply to Post #20
I don't usually chip in when there is p*ssing contests but sometimes it is often necessary when someone is getting unwarranted flack in my opinion. I have just had a quick read of this thread and would have to agree with Mozzi regarding wafter sales. I thought i would have a quick look at the actual stats on our own website and make an informed comment if anybody is interested in some facts for a change.
In the year to date, as stand alone products added to the cart, we have sold around 40% more wafters than pop ups. This doesn't include the bulk deal sales, of which we sell thousands a year, that often include two hook baits in that deal. It also doesn't include trade or phone sales. It would be safe to presume i guess that this trend would mirror through the other large companies in the trade. Food for thought anyway.
I don't usually chip in when there is p*ssing contests but sometimes it is often necessary when someone is getting unwarranted flack in my opinion. I have just had a quick read of this thread and would have to agree with Mozzi regarding wafter sales. I thought i would have a quick look at the actual stats on our own website and make an informed comment if anybody is interested in some facts for a change.
In the year to date, as stand alone products added to the cart, we have sold around 40% more wafters than pop ups. This doesn't include the bulk deal sales, of which we sell thousands a year, that often include two hook baits in that deal. It also doesn't include trade or phone sales. It would be safe to presume i guess that this trend would mirror through the other large companies in the trade. Food for thought anyway.
In reply to Post #21
Well I know quite a bit about a few companies but not all, but when all the big boys bar 1 that I know of sell more wafters than pop ups it tells you there is a trend.
I really don't understand why you target me so much.
I've not spoken to Manoel at essential, but have a pretty good idea of the hookbait sales of two of those companies 😉
Well I know quite a bit about a few companies but not all, but when all the big boys bar 1 that I know of sell more wafters than pop ups it tells you there is a trend.
I really don't understand why you target me so much.
I've not spoken to Manoel at essential, but have a pretty good idea of the hookbait sales of two of those companies 😉
In reply to Post #26
Going on what I see when I'm fishing I think your probably right. I see far more using wafters than pop ups
Going on what I see when I'm fishing I think your probably right. I see far more using wafters than pop ups
In reply to Post #27
Which is strange if the general consensus is that everyone and his dog uses a Ronnie Rig?
Which is strange if the general consensus is that everyone and his dog uses a Ronnie Rig?
In reply to Post #28
Ronnie works with wafters too
Ronnie works with wafters too
In reply to Post #29
Nice that one of the big names in the bait world as backed you.It might stop some of the witch hunter ****ers now but I doubt it
Nice that one of the big names in the bait world as backed you.It might stop some of the witch hunter ****ers now but I doubt it
In reply to Post #29
Yes, I'm not one of the people questioning you Mozzi. I only ever really use a balanced bottom bait but it's usually a heavier bait combined with something buoyant. I just always use a d rig with a mono or flouro hooklink. I'm surprised that people use the Ronnie with all that metal and gubbins for the same effect. Not knocking it though, might be worth a try (but probably won't
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Yes, I'm not one of the people questioning you Mozzi. I only ever really use a balanced bottom bait but it's usually a heavier bait combined with something buoyant. I just always use a d rig with a mono or flouro hooklink. I'm surprised that people use the Ronnie with all that metal and gubbins for the same effect. Not knocking it though, might be worth a try (but probably won't
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In reply to Post #29
Which is just as well with the quality of some of the "pop-ups" out there.....
Why don't the vast majority of bait companies make hi attract or hardened standard bottom baits? That may be why wafters are used - most decent bottom baits with solubles wouldn't last long enough on the hair/bait screw, so people use the next best thing
Which is just as well with the quality of some of the "pop-ups" out there.....
Why don't the vast majority of bait companies make hi attract or hardened standard bottom baits? That may be why wafters are used - most decent bottom baits with solubles wouldn't last long enough on the hair/bait screw, so people use the next best thing
In reply to Post #32
An irony that I'm rebaiting with a nice little snowman including a HARD HOOKER 😉
Any bait that lasts 24 hours on the hair in my opinion carp don't usually trough through relentlessly, with cell being the word exception, seen people have cell freezer baits on the hair and re use the same bait for a 72 hour session. I think it must have Imodium in the recipe lol
An irony that I'm rebaiting with a nice little snowman including a HARD HOOKER 😉
Any bait that lasts 24 hours on the hair in my opinion carp don't usually trough through relentlessly, with cell being the word exception, seen people have cell freezer baits on the hair and re use the same bait for a 72 hour session. I think it must have Imodium in the recipe lol
In reply to Post #33
What's ironic? I said the vast majority don't (and I was talking big companies) not no-one. Sticky do hardened bottom baits, ABS do, for example.
Do you do a range of flouro, high attract bottom baits?
What's ironic? I said the vast majority don't (and I was talking big companies) not no-one. Sticky do hardened bottom baits, ABS do, for example.
Do you do a range of flouro, high attract bottom baits?
In reply to Post #9
>>>>>>>Does anyone consider the depth of water when fishing wafters, I used to test them in the margins but what about water pressure baring down in deeper water?<<<<<<
Many many years ago, I did a lot of tests on popups and posted the results on here, but they was all lost with about 3000+ other postings I made over the years when the site was hacked or crashed etc
I used a 2 litre plastic bottle, a Reuben Heaton depth gauge and a "G" clamp.
It was just a simple case of drop the gauge into the bottle, fill with water and there must be no air bubble. otherwise it causes problems, drop in a rig baited up with a pop up, you can put about 4 or 5 rigs in one bottle at the same time, get two pieces of ply wood about 3" square hold them opposite each other half way down the bottle and then clamp the "G" clamp over the two pieces of plywood and turn the screw and watch the pressure gauge as you tighten the "G2 clamp", stop when you reach the desired depth.
Its important you use the plywood, otherwise the bottle will burst when the "G" clamp tightens up with no warning, I learned the hard way, 2 litres of water to mop up in the kitchen is not fun. And the same in the workshop, a 2 litre bottle bursting in a vice is a pain in the butt.
Its then a case of seeing if the pop up sinks or not, or just doing regular checks on it and timing how long it takes for the pop up to sink. I used to leave them on the bed side table on a night time to keep a check on them.
Pierced pop ups sink quicker than tied on ones as we know, but with some pop ups, their is not much difference. I have never tested ones with bait screws as they was not in use at the time. One day I might try the tests again.
If I recall, it took 4 pieces or it might have been 6 pieces of bouyant plastic maize to hold a size 6 fang up in 15' of water, anything less and it just sunk with the hook resting on the bottom with the maize above.
If they stayed up 24 hours I was happy with a pop up as I rarely leave my baits out longer than that. I'm gutted if I leave a bait out for about three days to find a rig severley tangled when I wind in or the pop up is missing.
My best pop up in those days was a HBS pineapple and I often caught within an hour of casting out. I was amazed to find that whether they was tied on or pierced, they sunk within 30 minutes of casting out and that was in 15" of water and the depth I tested them at and found out that I was catching on a wafter or bottom bait rather than a pop up.
Nash airball baits in those days would stay popped up for a week and would never sink at 15', and when I cranked the pressure up to 80' or it may have been 120' and they would still stay popped up for week and once again I would give up on them.
>>>>>>>Does anyone consider the depth of water when fishing wafters, I used to test them in the margins but what about water pressure baring down in deeper water?<<<<<<
Many many years ago, I did a lot of tests on popups and posted the results on here, but they was all lost with about 3000+ other postings I made over the years when the site was hacked or crashed etc
I used a 2 litre plastic bottle, a Reuben Heaton depth gauge and a "G" clamp.
It was just a simple case of drop the gauge into the bottle, fill with water and there must be no air bubble. otherwise it causes problems, drop in a rig baited up with a pop up, you can put about 4 or 5 rigs in one bottle at the same time, get two pieces of ply wood about 3" square hold them opposite each other half way down the bottle and then clamp the "G" clamp over the two pieces of plywood and turn the screw and watch the pressure gauge as you tighten the "G2 clamp", stop when you reach the desired depth.
Its important you use the plywood, otherwise the bottle will burst when the "G" clamp tightens up with no warning, I learned the hard way, 2 litres of water to mop up in the kitchen is not fun. And the same in the workshop, a 2 litre bottle bursting in a vice is a pain in the butt.
Its then a case of seeing if the pop up sinks or not, or just doing regular checks on it and timing how long it takes for the pop up to sink. I used to leave them on the bed side table on a night time to keep a check on them.
Pierced pop ups sink quicker than tied on ones as we know, but with some pop ups, their is not much difference. I have never tested ones with bait screws as they was not in use at the time. One day I might try the tests again.
If I recall, it took 4 pieces or it might have been 6 pieces of bouyant plastic maize to hold a size 6 fang up in 15' of water, anything less and it just sunk with the hook resting on the bottom with the maize above.
If they stayed up 24 hours I was happy with a pop up as I rarely leave my baits out longer than that. I'm gutted if I leave a bait out for about three days to find a rig severley tangled when I wind in or the pop up is missing.
My best pop up in those days was a HBS pineapple and I often caught within an hour of casting out. I was amazed to find that whether they was tied on or pierced, they sunk within 30 minutes of casting out and that was in 15" of water and the depth I tested them at and found out that I was catching on a wafter or bottom bait rather than a pop up.
Nash airball baits in those days would stay popped up for a week and would never sink at 15', and when I cranked the pressure up to 80' or it may have been 120' and they would still stay popped up for week and once again I would give up on them.
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