Hello guys, i was womdering if the MSG people use in their bait is the same as the glutamate from asian shops? If not then probably the MSG from feedstim is right?

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Its exactly the same stuff.

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No you have to use an Aquatic MSG as purchased from Feed Stim the MSG purchased from Asian shops is no use until it has been repackaged and the price increased 10 fold and sold to you by the bait ingredient experts.

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You old cynic....l

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In my neck of the woods, 250g of MSG costs 4.80quid from the asian shop, and 3.75quid + postage, from Feedstim As i order quite afew ingredients off Feedstim on a regular basis, i get my MSG from Feedstim, minus the petrol cost to the asian shop Gallon of juice costs 7.50quid

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Get another Asian shop lol! BAF we're doing it weren't they?

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That was the cheapest, within a 10mile radius
BAF let me down BIGTIME Wanted to purchase 150K basemix ingredients, but got given the run around, so i gave up in the end and bought elsewhere None of my hard-earned will ever end up at BAF

Back to MSG, sort of 100g I+G costs me 17quid delivered , but that´s enough for 1k of basemix

£6.90 a kilo, free delivery on Amazon.

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I buy the 10 kg bags in Wing yip think its about £28

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MSG from feed stim at £3.75 /250 gms equates to £15 per kilo.

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1kg MSG is enough for 100kg basemix 10g per kilo basemix
I use 4.9g MSG when using it with 0.1g I+G

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I+G

In reply to Post #13
Nucleotide enhancers. Very powerful. Tiny amounts only are needed.

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Is there a full name to it? Or where are these Nukleotide enhancers available?

Edit: is it IMP+GMP we are talking about?

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Yes it is

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You don't even need 10g, as you use it, 5 g, can be plenty. all depends what else is in there

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Depends on other taste enhancers like e.g salt fenugreek garlic? While were at it anyone got an opinion on Talin as a sweetner in a fishy savoury bait ?

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Ajinomoto MSG(E621) + Ajitide I+G (E635) (a 50/50 mixture of IMP(E631) and GMP(E627)
5g per kilo - 98% MSG + 2% I+G

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Sounds reasonable but how am i supposed weigh 0,2g or even 2g for a 10kilo mix?

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Set of jewellers scales on ebay - 0.01g to 200g A little goes a long way.

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You can get scales that go down to those numbers with ease, have a look on Google.

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even jewelery scales ( or drug dealers scales ) tend to not be hugely accurate, the best ones cost thousands.

Your best bet is to make upo a significant amount of mixture.

If you mix 10g of something, 20 of something else, and 70 of something else and use 1g of the resulting mixing you'd have 0.1g / 0.2g 0.7g etc

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i see so i could put my say 10g of i+g into a kilo of msg but how can i be sure that its evenly distributed in those 1 kilo of msg 😂

im happy that i got a measuring spoon for my dmpt...

anyways has any of you guys ever tried single amino acids (like L-Cystein, L-Proline...) in their bait? Considering if i did wouldnt it skyrocket my solubility if i put in 10g of betain 10g msg and then another lets say 20g of different AA‘s plus the solubility my BM has anyways?

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You could also consider Maggi seasoning which contains at least some of the these ingredients

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unless drastically different particle sized it will be mixed very evenly if you take your time / empty into a bag and shake it like an unstable lunatic for two minutes.

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If talin is the same as solar liquid candy sweetener the I add 1ml into a 12 egg mix that's fishy/savoury.

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Talin is a trade name of thaumatin. A lot of proprietary sweeteners are reformulated every now and again. and have differing percentiles of this component. TALIN originally stood for tate and lyle industries.

Absolutely none of the talin / thaumatin / type sweeteners are having a significant percentage of thaumatin in them, its just too expensive to do, none of the ones claimed to have it in are priced to account for even a 5% inclusion from what I've seen. its actually used to round off the taste of other sweeteners as opposed to a standalone sweetener in itself.

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So it's basically watered down from the original compound.

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Interesting article about protein sweeteners

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/food-science/protein-sweetener

Coincidentally to this thread it mentions a synergy with MSG at low levels to enhance savoury meat and fish flavours.

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Anyone use dried yeast to add something as a taste enhancer.
Add to the umami

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That article also confirmed a thought I had about it behaving a certain way with a certain thing and doing a certain something that I certainly didn't want it to do

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Mozzi ... time to get back to the drawing board

Serendipity Berry is a catchy name for the next wonder ingredient or magical popup to grace the market ... call dibs

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Is there a place I can buy E635 from in the UK?
Thank you!

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like this https://specialingredients.co.uk/collections/flavour-enhancer/products/flavour-enhancer-e621

I mix 2 parts of this to 1 part MSG and my pond fish love it if that helps.

Thanks Smurf, I'll check it out 🙂👍

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Isn't it just. Played about with it in the mid 80's, once, made me feel very nauseous.