Morning lads
Is there any way to tell the difference between the original ss3000 and the re-released version?
Thanks in advance!
Is there any way to tell the difference between the original ss3000 and the re-released version?
Thanks in advance!
In reply to Post #1
I seem to remember reading somewhere that some of the internals on the originals were brass rather than aluminium (re-released). There's a good chance I've remembered this completely wrong.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that some of the internals on the originals were brass rather than aluminium (re-released). There's a good chance I've remembered this completely wrong.
In reply to Post #1
Originals are square drive, re-release hex drive
Originals are square drive, re-release hex drive
In reply to Post #3
Thanks for the replies. Would you need to take them apart to identify the difference between the drives?
Thanks for the replies. Would you need to take them apart to identify the difference between the drives?
In reply to Post #5
It's dead easy, take the handle off mate, the spindle will be square or hex
It's dead easy, take the handle off mate, the spindle will be square or hex
Also, assuming it hasnt been changed the originals had SiC line rollers whereas the new have the TiN twistbuster line roller.
Regarding the internals ive heard it mentioned that the very first maybe had Phospher bronze (absolute best) pinion gear.
But if not it would be a brass pinion and machined aluminium main gear as theyve always been same as the tournies
Regarding the internals ive heard it mentioned that the very first maybe had Phospher bronze (absolute best) pinion gear.
But if not it would be a brass pinion and machined aluminium main gear as theyve always been same as the tournies
In reply to Post #7
Square drives were first, then the 1st hexdrives arrived. The re rereleases are also hex drive but as correctly stated the newer version have duraluminium main gears. Generally the earlier versions have the black coating to the drive gear whereas the later versions are a clear anodise so silver/pale champagne colour so pop the handle out to see.
Square drives were first, then the 1st hexdrives arrived. The re rereleases are also hex drive but as correctly stated the newer version have duraluminium main gears. Generally the earlier versions have the black coating to the drive gear whereas the later versions are a clear anodise so silver/pale champagne colour so pop the handle out to see.
In reply to Post #7
The earlier tournys had the better gearing whereas the latter version also has the duraluminium drive gear
The earlier tournys had the better gearing whereas the latter version also has the duraluminium drive gear
In reply to Post #9
there is also a difference on the spool, with one version have a slightly more prominent lip than the other
there is also a difference on the spool, with one version have a slightly more prominent lip than the other
In reply to Post #1
Easiest way to know if its square or hex drive is the small sticker on the handle.
With the re-released hex drive version the decals on the handle are printed.
My last of 4 is serviced by Weston, but if the drive gear is worn there are no new spares...
Easiest way to know if its square or hex drive is the small sticker on the handle.
With the re-released hex drive version the decals on the handle are printed.
My last of 4 is serviced by Weston, but if the drive gear is worn there are no new spares...
In reply to Post #1
the Originals have the "One Touch Handle" badge on the handle, the Re-Releases have just a print.
The Originals had black line rollers, the Re-Releases had the golden Twistbuster ones. Those are the easiest things to tell them apart. Not all Originals were square-drives, the earlier ones had the square shafts but later editions ( of the old Originals ) then changed to hex drives.
the Originals have the "One Touch Handle" badge on the handle, the Re-Releases have just a print.
The Originals had black line rollers, the Re-Releases had the golden Twistbuster ones. Those are the easiest things to tell them apart. Not all Originals were square-drives, the earlier ones had the square shafts but later editions ( of the old Originals ) then changed to hex drives.
About £100 per reel for sale used.
Slightly off topic but is there a big difference between the TS5000 and the SS3000?
In reply to Post #14
No mate.
No mate.
In reply to Post #15
Really???? I thought the SS3000 had spools similar to the Emblem Spod reel whilst the tournies where a more tapered spool.
Really???? I thought the SS3000 had spools similar to the Emblem Spod reel whilst the tournies where a more tapered spool.
In reply to Post #14
Tournie & SS3000 spools are interchangeable
Tournie & SS3000 spools are interchangeable
In reply to Post #16
Same spool and taper mate, just different colour and graphics.
Same spool and taper mate, just different colour and graphics.
Thought the original spools were shiny silver and re release silver with different stickers, is the current black edition finish as robust as the original ss3000 or Tourny 5000?
In reply to Post #19
I'm sure Garry (custom reels) told me black tournaments have one or two lower grade bearings or bushes than a blue original. He recommended buying a set in case they wound down production (of blues)
I'm sure Garry (custom reels) told me black tournaments have one or two lower grade bearings or bushes than a blue original. He recommended buying a set in case they wound down production (of blues)
In reply to Post #20
I went from original ss3000 to the blue/grey 5000, the ss were battered because when I got them they felt big and clumsy so still used by Baitrunners and ended up using the ss sea fishing but they were abused conger fishing on rock marks and got knocked about climbing over rocks and sea walls. The 5000's never got the abuse but the finish always felt more robust but could just be my poor memory.
I went from original ss3000 to the blue/grey 5000, the ss were battered because when I got them they felt big and clumsy so still used by Baitrunners and ended up using the ss sea fishing but they were abused conger fishing on rock marks and got knocked about climbing over rocks and sea walls. The 5000's never got the abuse but the finish always felt more robust but could just be my poor memory.
In reply to Post #7
can the aluminum pinion be replaced with a bronze pinion?
can the aluminum pinion be replaced with a bronze pinion?
as far as im aware for a long time the SS3000, Blue Tourney and BE tourney are pretty much all interchangeable. (makes economic sense) but check schematics or ask Daiwa first !
the brass pinion and aluminium main gear are more than up to the job so just replace from Daiwa
the only other minor difference i can think of is the ss3000 as mentioned had 5 BBs ,no roller or handle BB, think it was to do with being surf reels so they have a nylon bushing (not the end of the world) and prob to cut costs the BE tourny has the same
In reply to Post #23
Can the original square drive parts be replaced ?
Can the original square drive parts be replaced ?
In reply to Post #24
You'll only be able to get a square gear second hand, but the rest of the it's, daiwa will probably have on the shelf
You'll only be able to get a square gear second hand, but the rest of the it's, daiwa will probably have on the shelf
In reply to Post #20
I keep looking at the TBE's thinking exactly the same, buy a set before they are discontinued which I should have done when they re-released the 3000's. You know when you want to buy something but there's no way you could ever justify a need?
I keep looking at the TBE's thinking exactly the same, buy a set before they are discontinued which I should have done when they re-released the 3000's. You know when you want to buy something but there's no way you could ever justify a need?
In reply to Post #14
I was told many years ago by Daiwa, probably nearly 10 years ago that the ss3000 isn't as good as the 5000t, lower quality paint etc. whether that's true, god knows but Daiwa said it.
I was told many years ago by Daiwa, probably nearly 10 years ago that the ss3000 isn't as good as the 5000t, lower quality paint etc. whether that's true, god knows but Daiwa said it.
I'm amazed daiwa don't do another re-release, I'd buy a few more sets as a retirement nest egg 
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