As the name says - how would you make the ultimate boilie? Money no object, simply the best ingedients you can get.

Think of it as a thought experiment. What do you reckon?

I'm aware of the carp forum approved boilie, and the Facebook bait buffs Tropamino base. But do you think they can be bettered?

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Yes.... Sweetcorn

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Sweetcorn boilie? What are your binder, solubles etc?

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Interesting question, by what measure do we value it's excellence?

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I'd make/use a proven bait, you are confident in using, that is affordable, and apply it baiting wise, ultimately better.. not necessarily pile it in, but scatter it around the lake, making sure many fish sample it without getting hooked.
Most expensive bait, doesn't mean catches most fish!

Watercraft, location and good angling does the rest

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It's been done before, didn't catch on. People don't want to spend money on bait. Can't remember who did it but may have been Dave Moore or Brian skoyles. A certain Mr Nash brought out a bait along those lines that didn't set the world on fire either. If a bait's good enough to catch the fish in the lake you're fishing, why does it need to be any " better " and more expensive.

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Indeed, many underestimate the power of prevailing not one swim but the hole lake.

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i got grief for doing that on a thursday as people fish friday lol

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Understand that.
You can get round it sometimes, whilst fishing and moving swims many times, do a few hours, then move.

Only works when your lake is not rammed out with anglers

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It's called the herb 😉

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id get myself a bulk bag of the top koi food, mill it down and roll

the Japanese lads got it sorted

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Nutrition wise or attraction wise? Those things dont always go hand in hand...

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Exactly, the ultimate boilie for the guys who fish the same lake week in week out will be different to the ultimate boilie for the guys who fish short sessions, infrequently or on a number of different venues.

Nutrition might be important to the first group, less so for the second. Initial attraction works the opposite way, not so important if the fish are regularly seeing the same bait over and over but on a infrequent overnighter it's very important.

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But economics still come into the equation, and remember you don't have to attract koi, they have no other choice, bit different in a lake.

There are massive differences between a feed and a bait.

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Dr Keith Sykes sums it up perfectly. I'm not plugging Hinders, but he is a well known go to for bait issues

Meet Dr Keith Hinders New Bait Scientist


Coffee with Keith January

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both

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And have a life time supply of wafters

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wafters are a gimmick

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yes, neutral buoyancy baits are the one

I've always wondered about incorporating blended maggots. I've pondered for years whether it's the movement or their make up that makes them so attractive. For years I thought movement. But then Casters are a killer bait but obviously don't move.

Would make for a hellishly expensive boilie and I think I'd want to bind it at a very low temperature, maybe even steam them.

That said if you are going to that sort of expense and aggro I'm pretty sure it would be easier just to use the maggots as is.

That's great issue with some ingredients though isn't it. I mean as good as tiger nut meal is, is it actually as good as baiting with whole nuts? I'm not so sure.

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Rarely use them now - why would you want a bait flying all over the place when fish are feeding? Its not like they just sit there until a fish sucks at it like what the comics say.

I even overweight pop ups, I want them staying in one place.....

I'd get somebody else to make it

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Maggots are at their best alive.

With a lot of these live baits such as worms etc people have tried to put them into baits and it hasn't worked, they always seem better fresher. even frozen ones dont seem to have the same edge as live.

My understanding is that it's the chemicals the maggots excrete (ammonia, high pH) that give the attraction rather than maggots themselves. The maggots themselves are mostly water, although I don't doubt that popping a big mouthful of fresh maggots could give a positive feeding effect.

For starters I'd imagine the ultimate boilie wouldn't be boiled at all. Surely a paste bait or compressed pellet that has lost nothing through cooking is superior, just impractical for long stays or mass baiting?

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It's why I asked by what value we measure things. Catch rate / nutritional value / quality in relation to cost, adaptability etc.

You can't just put the best ingredients into a dough and end up with the best bait, it's a science of sorts.

And it's one I think it's linked to how we fish. Those who also stalk fish might want paste, long range specialists a very dense bait, those fishing weed might want lighter baits etc.

There's too many factors to ever have one answer, probably too many to have even ten lol