Hi All,
At £5.95 a kilo this deal seems reasonable but has anyone used any of these baits in the lasy few years who can comment on the quality?
Cheers
At £5.95 a kilo this deal seems reasonable but has anyone used any of these baits in the lasy few years who can comment on the quality?
Cheers
In reply to Post #1
Pretty sure bait craft closed under a cloud of dodgy financial dealings. Now been bought and not the same guy running it. No idea about the quality, but there's established businesses selling for that sort of price where you can guarantee the quality is good.
Pretty sure bait craft closed under a cloud of dodgy financial dealings. Now been bought and not the same guy running it. No idea about the quality, but there's established businesses selling for that sort of price where you can guarantee the quality is good.
In reply to Post #2
It was sold to bank bug, being rolled by someone. I know who rolls very highly regarded gear for several companies, he says t1 is decent, might be an option for someone short on change if there's no MOQ ?
It was sold to bank bug, being rolled by someone. I know who rolls very highly regarded gear for several companies, he says t1 is decent, might be an option for someone short on change if there's no MOQ ?
In reply to Post #3
Super K was a favourite bait of mine, caught everywhere with it, then things happened to baitcraft, and the bait was never the same. Wont use any of their baits again, although i still have a pot of original super k wafters & pop ups for scratching time
Super K was a favourite bait of mine, caught everywhere with it, then things happened to baitcraft, and the bait was never the same. Wont use any of their baits again, although i still have a pot of original super k wafters & pop ups for scratching time
In reply to Post #4
The original T1 was decent bait, as things went downhill a tad, it showed within the bait. i wouldnt use it today, far better bait on the market
The original T1 was decent bait, as things went downhill a tad, it showed within the bait. i wouldnt use it today, far better bait on the market
The original owner still has a tie in with the company, and for that reason alone I'd never buy from them.
In reply to Post #6
Just spoken to the actual owner to fact check that, who says that false and the original owner hasn't been involved at all since the takeover.
Just spoken to the actual owner to fact check that, who says that false and the original owner hasn't been involved at all since the takeover.
In reply to Post #7
And what was the outcome then bud
And what was the outcome then bud
In reply to Post #7
you mean Marks not been involved since selling it on
you mean Marks not been involved since selling it on
In reply to Post #9
yeah, years ago
yeah, years ago
In reply to Post #10
so who owns it now?
ive not really followed it since Mark flogged it, i always got on with Mark well
so who owns it now?
ive not really followed it since Mark flogged it, i always got on with Mark well
Back when Mark rolled the T1 in his shed and we got hold of it, it was a step up from anything else we had used previously. We used to pick it up from his house and use it around the Colne Valley. As mentioned below when it went big time and sold for £13/kg the bait quality dropped. Different make up, different smell etc.
Mark was crammed full of knowledge far above anything we had heard of before, such a shame he moved on and away from it. He was a good guy, just got pulled into the big time and lost his way.
Mark was crammed full of knowledge far above anything we had heard of before, such a shame he moved on and away from it. He was a good guy, just got pulled into the big time and lost his way.
In reply to Post #11
bank bug, nice lad named Christian.
bank bug, nice lad named Christian.
In reply to Post #12
Never used the bait, but when Mark sold it he went to the factory and made sure it was being made to the original spec. again, never used it so cannot comment on the quality. however the roller is hugely experienced and reckons its decent, so under 6 quid for decent bait? seems a viable option for some who might not want to pay proper premium prices.
Never used the bait, but when Mark sold it he went to the factory and made sure it was being made to the original spec. again, never used it so cannot comment on the quality. however the roller is hugely experienced and reckons its decent, so under 6 quid for decent bait? seems a viable option for some who might not want to pay proper premium prices.
In reply to Post #14
so from £13 per kg down to £6 a kg, especially in difficult times with all the price rises on ingredients, its still the same as the original
so from £13 per kg down to £6 a kg, especially in difficult times with all the price rises on ingredients, its still the same as the original
In reply to Post #14
If the guy selling it says it's decent it must be.
If the guy selling it says it's decent it must be.
In reply to Post #14
Genuine question.. How do rollers know a bait is “quality” etc? Do they blend the ingredients to make a base mix then add eggs/additives etc then roll it or do they get the base mix/additives and mix with liquids and roll?
I'm only curious because it as always been the way that “a mate rolled for them” “I've contract rolled for so and so” and it was good gear etc.
Genuinely interested because in 30 odd years of making bait, I can't tell you the precise make up of a base mix by looking at it or rolling it. Sure I know if it contains bird food/ fish meals/milks but not the quality or quantities of each, thus I've no idea if it's brilliant or been cut...
PS This is not aimed at Baitcraft btw
Genuine question.. How do rollers know a bait is “quality” etc? Do they blend the ingredients to make a base mix then add eggs/additives etc then roll it or do they get the base mix/additives and mix with liquids and roll?
I'm only curious because it as always been the way that “a mate rolled for them” “I've contract rolled for so and so” and it was good gear etc.
Genuinely interested because in 30 odd years of making bait, I can't tell you the precise make up of a base mix by looking at it or rolling it. Sure I know if it contains bird food/ fish meals/milks but not the quality or quantities of each, thus I've no idea if it's brilliant or been cut...
PS This is not aimed at Baitcraft btw
In reply to Post #15
Plus..... is Mark in there every day?
It's like our audits - we're perfect on the day, complete rat**** for the next 100 until the next audit
Plus..... is Mark in there every day?
It's like our audits - we're perfect on the day, complete rat**** for the next 100 until the next audit
In reply to Post #17
Being nutritionally superior and being a better bait aren't the same thing either. Kale and cous cous is better for me than bbq ribs but I know which I'd eat first.
Everyone knocks cell but it's going to be a long time before anything but a sticky bait catches comparable numbers
Being nutritionally superior and being a better bait aren't the same thing either. Kale and cous cous is better for me than bbq ribs but I know which I'd eat first.
Everyone knocks cell but it's going to be a long time before anything but a sticky bait catches comparable numbers
In reply to Post #19
Totally agree, but thats mainly because ‘most' people use Cell or sticky Krill, so more fish will get caught on them
Totally agree, but thats mainly because ‘most' people use Cell or sticky Krill, so more fish will get caught on them
In reply to Post #20
Been on many lakes where cell catches 80% of the fish but then there was 80% using it so it was always gunna say that
Been on many lakes where cell catches 80% of the fish but then there was 80% using it so it was always gunna say that
In reply to Post #20
That's true. But had it not caught from the off those people wouldn't use it.
It outfished B5, black snail, krill, Atlantic heat, scopex squid, green beast and others when I used it. They're all regarded as ‘better' I'm sure. Only as feed in my case because as a bait they weren't.
And don't anyone lie and say you'd rather sit around smelling of monster crab or butyric acid for days on end either
That's true. But had it not caught from the off those people wouldn't use it.
It outfished B5, black snail, krill, Atlantic heat, scopex squid, green beast and others when I used it. They're all regarded as ‘better' I'm sure. Only as feed in my case because as a bait they weren't.
And don't anyone lie and say you'd rather sit around smelling of monster crab or butyric acid for days on end either
In reply to Post #22
If I'm going for a “one off” trip, I always take a kilo or so of Cell.
The best bait to use is one fish want to eat, not the most complete source of nutrition - although a bait with brocacel / cellimax in it cant be that bad for them.....
If I'm going for a “one off” trip, I always take a kilo or so of Cell.
The best bait to use is one fish want to eat, not the most complete source of nutrition - although a bait with brocacel / cellimax in it cant be that bad for them.....
I asked about Baircraft and somehow we are now talking about Mainline Cell... got to love this forum! 
In reply to Post #24
Well the company owner and his mate say it's good but everyone else wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
The cell reference was regarding a bait being supposedly poor according to bait buffs but it catches loads and loads of fish. The moral of the story is don't believe a word you read in this section
Well the company owner and his mate say it's good but everyone else wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
The cell reference was regarding a bait being supposedly poor according to bait buffs but it catches loads and loads of fish. The moral of the story is don't believe a word you read in this section
In reply to Post #24
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In reply to Post #17
Both happen, people supply mix, others supply a recipe, others approach them and ask them to come up with a recipe, same with all contract rollers.
With regards to the powder mix it's very difficult to tell the dominant ingredients by anything other than taste, when it's made into paste however some ingredients behave is pretty specific ways so you can definately tell which are high in for example fishmeal, or dyes, semo, soy, crumb etc
You can also tell by how it cooks, how quickly it firms up, if it warps, how much it washes out.
Then there is less obvious ways of telling, how it rolls, the final cut sausage diameter ( high gluten baits swell at bit before rolling ) loads of ways really. You can then make an educated guess based on experience of using the mix and what a described mix SHOULD be like.
Both happen, people supply mix, others supply a recipe, others approach them and ask them to come up with a recipe, same with all contract rollers.
With regards to the powder mix it's very difficult to tell the dominant ingredients by anything other than taste, when it's made into paste however some ingredients behave is pretty specific ways so you can definately tell which are high in for example fishmeal, or dyes, semo, soy, crumb etc
You can also tell by how it cooks, how quickly it firms up, if it warps, how much it washes out.
Then there is less obvious ways of telling, how it rolls, the final cut sausage diameter ( high gluten baits swell at bit before rolling ) loads of ways really. You can then make an educated guess based on experience of using the mix and what a described mix SHOULD be like.
In reply to Post #15
Don't shoot the messenger 😂
I think the question needs to be asked “was it ever a 13 quid bait?”.
Also I'm sure it wasn't 13 quid in bulk.
Itll be priced up between the new owner and said rolling company, who buy everything by the multiple ton unlike mark who bought a lot less. You plus I know that factory to be mega efficient.
Who knows what the profit margin is, the more you sell arguable the less that needs to be?
Don't shoot the messenger 😂
I think the question needs to be asked “was it ever a 13 quid bait?”.
Also I'm sure it wasn't 13 quid in bulk.
Itll be priced up between the new owner and said rolling company, who buy everything by the multiple ton unlike mark who bought a lot less. You plus I know that factory to be mega efficient.
Who knows what the profit margin is, the more you sell arguable the less that needs to be?
In reply to Post #18
Deffo not the case with this company. Far too many clients to cut corners. They will roll whatever is agreed.
I feel the need to repeat myself before anyone says a bait craft lover - I'm not, I'm just inputting objectively. I hope.
Deffo not the case with this company. Far too many clients to cut corners. They will roll whatever is agreed.
I feel the need to repeat myself before anyone says a bait craft lover - I'm not, I'm just inputting objectively. I hope.
In reply to Post #29
Dragons den matey you will be minted
Dragons den matey you will be minted
In reply to Post #31
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In reply to Post #30
the bait game has got to be one of the most un regulated "pet food" sector about.
roll it, bag it, call it what you like, garden shed business can pretty much do what they like within the bait game
the bait game has got to be one of the most un regulated "pet food" sector about.
roll it, bag it, call it what you like, garden shed business can pretty much do what they like within the bait game
In reply to Post #33
You've only got to see the state of some of the equipment being used....
You've only got to see the state of some of the equipment being used....
In reply to Post #33
Frenzy, its not even the shed rollers that are anywhere near as bad as some businesses. stock on the floor, cross contamination of ingredient ( before mixing purposefully ) mould, I get that its actually quite difficult and annoying if you have slogged all day rolling bait to clean down, but it has to be done.
Currently the only things you "need" and I use the term loosely as checks don't seem to happen that often at all, is an ABP3 license ( ABP1 if using fresh fish etc ) and FSA registration. ( I get you know about this from your work ). thing is checks aren't made that often at all.
But you don't even need them to get an EORI number, thankfully nowadays you need a vet to sign off each shipment going to europe.
It's different rules for those who only roll pop ups, as they're considered lures, not animal feed.
I've been in places were there is nothing but blue roll to clear up, boiling water is used two days running, even a chest freezer so mouldly it looks like it'll sprout legs and start cleaning itself out of protest.
Frenzy, its not even the shed rollers that are anywhere near as bad as some businesses. stock on the floor, cross contamination of ingredient ( before mixing purposefully ) mould, I get that its actually quite difficult and annoying if you have slogged all day rolling bait to clean down, but it has to be done.
Currently the only things you "need" and I use the term loosely as checks don't seem to happen that often at all, is an ABP3 license ( ABP1 if using fresh fish etc ) and FSA registration. ( I get you know about this from your work ). thing is checks aren't made that often at all.
But you don't even need them to get an EORI number, thankfully nowadays you need a vet to sign off each shipment going to europe.
It's different rules for those who only roll pop ups, as they're considered lures, not animal feed.
I've been in places were there is nothing but blue roll to clear up, boiling water is used two days running, even a chest freezer so mouldly it looks like it'll sprout legs and start cleaning itself out of protest.
In reply to Post #1
I think that's a good deal. It's definitely not the same bait I was buying originally from Baitcraft however it's been out fishing the Mainline I've been fishing it against this winter and the pop ups and wafters are all good quality. The cow cola seems to be the same as the original.
I think that's a good deal. It's definitely not the same bait I was buying originally from Baitcraft however it's been out fishing the Mainline I've been fishing it against this winter and the pop ups and wafters are all good quality. The cow cola seems to be the same as the original.
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