Hi in the market for a new bivvy and I like the look of both the aqua pioneer 150 aquatexx ev and trakker tempest 150 aquatexx ev just wondered if any one that owns one could give me any user reviews please?
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I will offer this.
I have had a pioneer for 15 years or more. Its the same as the 150 more or less. I also have the tempest 100t
I find I'm using it more than the pio despite the pio being far superior thicker material and larger.
Why. Because the Tempest is almost self erecting and I mostly fish 24 hour sessions.
IF the two you mention are the same quality/expected longevity etc personally I would go Tempest. More usable space, doesn't need storm poles. Easier to postion. So much quicker up and down. The pioneer skull cap has more cover than the Tempest skull cap but definitely makes it harder to erect. I've not noticed that with the Tempest.
The only plus of the PIO for me.is that it looks great. It hugs the landscape whereas the Tempest pops up a bit jarring to the eye. A bit pot noodle. But frankly that doesn't put me off
I will offer this.
I have had a pioneer for 15 years or more. Its the same as the 150 more or less. I also have the tempest 100t
I find I'm using it more than the pio despite the pio being far superior thicker material and larger.
Why. Because the Tempest is almost self erecting and I mostly fish 24 hour sessions.
IF the two you mention are the same quality/expected longevity etc personally I would go Tempest. More usable space, doesn't need storm poles. Easier to postion. So much quicker up and down. The pioneer skull cap has more cover than the Tempest skull cap but definitely makes it harder to erect. I've not noticed that with the Tempest.
The only plus of the PIO for me.is that it looks great. It hugs the landscape whereas the Tempest pops up a bit jarring to the eye. A bit pot noodle. But frankly that doesn't put me off
Owned both the original pioneer and currently have a tempest xl which is the same size as the 150 and the tempest wins every time for me. Much more space and a better design imo. The new aqua pioneer is not a patch on the original
Owned an original pioneer and a Tempest........like Paul says, pioneer looks great but is impractical compared to the Tempest which is the evolution of the pioneer anyway.....tempest all day long..... 
This is with an Indulgence wideboy bed. as you can see they are tight swims. a Tempest 150 will have loads of space. but no use to me on this lake.
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Is that the tempest 100t?
Is that the tempest 100t?
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it is mate.
it is mate.
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I'll have to have a look at that it looks great value for money I've seen them online for £340 for the complete bundle thanks for your help
I'll have to have a look at that it looks great value for money I've seen them online for £340 for the complete bundle thanks for your help
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I picked up the skull cap 2nd hand a year later. And made my own groundsheet from a grey tarp. Didn't want to spend much as have a few bivvies. But I'm now using it all the time.
One thing I would say is watch out for long beds. There's not much room either end
I picked up the skull cap 2nd hand a year later. And made my own groundsheet from a grey tarp. Didn't want to spend much as have a few bivvies. But I'm now using it all the time.
One thing I would say is watch out for long beds. There's not much room either end
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I'm a regular Pio 150 user and I love it . . .most of my sessions are 48hrs plus and with the size of modern bedchairs much prefer the usable space it gives me (over my Ultralite)
Cannot compare it to a Tempest as I've never owned one however I would say the Pio design has a few distinct advantages - Firstly its permanently twin skinned - I never take it off and it goes up and down easily with no issues. Second is head height and visibility - I'm tall and unless you go for the 100T nothing beats the peak height on a Pio for comfort. Third is material thickness - I dont have the EV but the original re-release the material is thick and dark which keeps out the daylight . . .some of the tempests I've seen are like rizla paper
Down sides are it is heavier and arguably has a couple more components to make it drum tight . . .however with a power barrow this is no issue and with practice it goes up pretty quick. It also def looks more carpy than any of the other bivvies out there (whatever carpy actually means) . . .its also arguably more versatile and can be used like a brolly on steroids if you really wanted to . . .
I'm a regular Pio 150 user and I love it . . .most of my sessions are 48hrs plus and with the size of modern bedchairs much prefer the usable space it gives me (over my Ultralite)
Cannot compare it to a Tempest as I've never owned one however I would say the Pio design has a few distinct advantages - Firstly its permanently twin skinned - I never take it off and it goes up and down easily with no issues. Second is head height and visibility - I'm tall and unless you go for the 100T nothing beats the peak height on a Pio for comfort. Third is material thickness - I dont have the EV but the original re-release the material is thick and dark which keeps out the daylight . . .some of the tempests I've seen are like rizla paper
Down sides are it is heavier and arguably has a couple more components to make it drum tight . . .however with a power barrow this is no issue and with practice it goes up pretty quick. It also def looks more carpy than any of the other bivvies out there (whatever carpy actually means) . . .its also arguably more versatile and can be used like a brolly on steroids if you really wanted to . . .
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I have a pioneer 150 with skull cap and a tempest xl with skull cap and wrap
Agree with a lot of comments below
While the pioneer definitely looks better and is a bit more solid and has more height and feels bigger inside personally I think it's over engineered, groundsheet weighs a ton, bivvy itself is heavy and good luck getting it back in the bag with the skullcap on, as mentioned is slower to set up due to the older design and storm poles also but it is high quality throughout and material is better oh and dpm does look class, skull cap is full length so it's a proper bivvy with it on but does add a lot of weight if compared to tempest skull cap
Tempest though for me is a much more useable shelter - it's lighter, quicker to errect, the skull cap hardly weighs anything and so you don't notice it, if you get the full wrap on then it adds a porch area to the front, obv downsides though are the green fades and your skull cap will likely be a different shade of green after a while, nuts on the block do come lose over time (happened on my air and I've seen it happen to others) and the elastics tend to snap after a while in the poles and every one at the lake has one If that sort of thing bothers you
For me it's the tempest, I've still got a v2 air with army Andy front as well and ironically that's what I tend to use 90% of the time
I'd prob sell wither my xl or 150 if I could be bothered to list them
I have a pioneer 150 with skull cap and a tempest xl with skull cap and wrap
Agree with a lot of comments below
While the pioneer definitely looks better and is a bit more solid and has more height and feels bigger inside personally I think it's over engineered, groundsheet weighs a ton, bivvy itself is heavy and good luck getting it back in the bag with the skullcap on, as mentioned is slower to set up due to the older design and storm poles also but it is high quality throughout and material is better oh and dpm does look class, skull cap is full length so it's a proper bivvy with it on but does add a lot of weight if compared to tempest skull cap
Tempest though for me is a much more useable shelter - it's lighter, quicker to errect, the skull cap hardly weighs anything and so you don't notice it, if you get the full wrap on then it adds a porch area to the front, obv downsides though are the green fades and your skull cap will likely be a different shade of green after a while, nuts on the block do come lose over time (happened on my air and I've seen it happen to others) and the elastics tend to snap after a while in the poles and every one at the lake has one If that sort of thing bothers you
For me it's the tempest, I've still got a v2 air with army Andy front as well and ironically that's what I tend to use 90% of the time
I'd prob sell wither my xl or 150 if I could be bothered to list them
I'm struggling to decide whether to get the Trakker Tempest 150 Aquatexx EV myself. I'm 6ft 4 tall so the door height is tempting now I'm over 50. I can get it through a mate for £615 so almost £200 off the RRP but at 315cm wide by 255cm deep I'm a little worried I'll be unable to get into certain swims. I'm also a little concerned that with the extra space inside, will it be any colder inside during the winter. It does look a cracking bit of kit though, and I'm not too fussed about the extra weight.
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Have you used the pioneer or the tempest without the skull cap or form of a wrap if so did you get much issues with it as a single skin. Just asking as if I do get either the tempest 150 or pioneer 150 I won't be able to afford to get any extras with it straight away.
Have you used the pioneer or the tempest without the skull cap or form of a wrap if so did you get much issues with it as a single skin. Just asking as if I do get either the tempest 150 or pioneer 150 I won't be able to afford to get any extras with it straight away.
photos of Tempest 100t and original PIO if anyones interested.
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. . .Pio 150 def fits back in its bag with the skull cap on zero issues . . .you just need to roll it up like a brolly.
You don't need to use a skull cap but like all single skins and depending on time of year they will suffer from some condensation. This is totally mitigated when the cap is on, so that's why it stays on for me . .
I picked mine up mint 2nd hand for under £500 inc skull cap - lots of people don't get on with them (hence eventually shifting them) but as I've been an Ultralite user since first release I'm familiar with the set up etc and can do it with my eyes closed. . .
. . .Pio 150 def fits back in its bag with the skull cap on zero issues . . .you just need to roll it up like a brolly.
You don't need to use a skull cap but like all single skins and depending on time of year they will suffer from some condensation. This is totally mitigated when the cap is on, so that's why it stays on for me . .
I picked mine up mint 2nd hand for under £500 inc skull cap - lots of people don't get on with them (hence eventually shifting them) but as I've been an Ultralite user since first release I'm familiar with the set up etc and can do it with my eyes closed. . .
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Thanks for the photos sundance the t100 looks amazing value for money I think it's gonna be slightly to small for what I want but I'm definitely gonna test it out though my local tackle shop said they will let me put my stuff in it to see if it's big enough for what I want. The pioneer imo is the most eyepleaseing bivvy on the market. Random question sundance how long roughly does it take for you to set both bivvys up?
Thanks for the photos sundance the t100 looks amazing value for money I think it's gonna be slightly to small for what I want but I'm definitely gonna test it out though my local tackle shop said they will let me put my stuff in it to see if it's big enough for what I want. The pioneer imo is the most eyepleaseing bivvy on the market. Random question sundance how long roughly does it take for you to set both bivvys up?
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The setup of a pioneer is a doddle like you say but it's un needed faff compared to a Tempest and far more difficult to set up in strong winds.......does look better though and the door was huge on the original! Is the door size the same on the new ones?
The setup of a pioneer is a doddle like you say but it's un needed faff compared to a Tempest and far more difficult to set up in strong winds.......does look better though and the door was huge on the original! Is the door size the same on the new ones?
Rather pioneer than tempest in gale force wind. New pioneer ultralite 100 out, just a bit taller at door.
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I haven't seen it in person yet but from the videos I've seen the pioneer looks very strong and well made but I can only find promotional videos I can't find any user review videos of the pioneer.
I haven't seen it in person yet but from the videos I've seen the pioneer looks very strong and well made but I can only find promotional videos I can't find any user review videos of the pioneer.
In reply to Post #18
Really, I would rather just have much longer pegs for a tempest ......
Pioneer looks great but so does a mk2 super sport fiesta in my eyes........lots of better, faster and more practical cars about nowadays though........
Really, I would rather just have much longer pegs for a tempest ......
Pioneer looks great but so does a mk2 super sport fiesta in my eyes........lots of better, faster and more practical cars about nowadays though........
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. . .except you need to assemble / connect the Tempest poles before fanning out!
I reckon the time is negligible (I've seen plenty of Tempests erected ooooeer), but def easier in the face of a wind as your fanning with your back to the wind and holding on to it rather than facing it and holding on with the tension bars . . .
Door opening is still mahoosive on Pio 150, albeit perhaps a little narrower than the original as the infill has large mozzie windows either side (which the original didn't) . .
. . .except you need to assemble / connect the Tempest poles before fanning out!
I reckon the time is negligible (I've seen plenty of Tempests erected ooooeer), but def easier in the face of a wind as your fanning with your back to the wind and holding on to it rather than facing it and holding on with the tension bars . . .
Door opening is still mahoosive on Pio 150, albeit perhaps a little narrower than the original as the infill has large mozzie windows either side (which the original didn't) . .
In reply to Post #18
Yes. In a high wind you can drop it lower push the storm poles in. And wind just runs over the top. The 100T is going to catch it but then it is the highest narrowest profile.
Yes. In a high wind you can drop it lower push the storm poles in. And wind just runs over the top. The 100T is going to catch it but then it is the highest narrowest profile.
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Downside of these flat back ies so the bed can go rite back, the flat surface catches the wind. Tempest 100 isn't to bad because the flat part is relatively low, the frontier xd looks like a gale would destroy it.
Miss my original ultralite and had a tempest air which was a good short session bivvy but not the same quality. Every time you post pics of your pio I wonder if I should get one or maybe the new ultralite.
Downside of these flat back ies so the bed can go rite back, the flat surface catches the wind. Tempest 100 isn't to bad because the flat part is relatively low, the frontier xd looks like a gale would destroy it.
Miss my original ultralite and had a tempest air which was a good short session bivvy but not the same quality. Every time you post pics of your pio I wonder if I should get one or maybe the new ultralite.
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If my original Ultralite ever gave up the ghost (the seams, poles / block are still mustard on mine) I'd replace it with the new one without hesitation . . .
If my original Ultralite ever gave up the ghost (the seams, poles / block are still mustard on mine) I'd replace it with the new one without hesitation . . .
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DP Div
DP Div
In reply to Post #25
I'd happily take £500 on my pioneer 150 used less than ten times with skull cap and keep
The tempest xl
Pm
Me if interested
I'd happily take £500 on my pioneer 150 used less than ten times with skull cap and keep
The tempest xl
Pm
Me if interested
In reply to Post #26
I think he means the new ultralite that is due for release soon
I think he means the new ultralite that is due for release soon
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Is that the new aquatexx ev version of the pioneer 150 you have?
Is that the new aquatexx ev version of the pioneer 150 you have?
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I'm near your area for the next hour or so but no contact details to get hold of you.
I'm near your area for the next hour or so but no contact details to get hold of you.
I purchased a Titan having watched bivvies for decades my two elderly bivvies serving me well however I was drawn to the Titan many years ago due to strength of its frame and finally gave in. We are spoilt for choice the majority of bivvies on the market are decent bits of kit and do the job.
Thanks for everyones help and advice after looking at all bivvys in detail at my local tackle shop I decided to go with the fox frontier x with the vapour peak.
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