What are peoples thoughts on how the f1 season has gone and the end to that final race
In reply to Post #1
That end is well dubious......lapped cars don't need to move, then they do but only 5 of them???
That end is well dubious......lapped cars don't need to move, then they do but only 5 of them???
In reply to Post #2
I thought the same,been no consistency this year from the race director or stewards.
I thought the same,been no consistency this year from the race director or stewards.
In reply to Post #3
Still cant quite work out why Bottas didnt crash and take one for the team
Still cant quite work out why Bottas didnt crash and take one for the team
In reply to Post #4
I think Hamilton would want to win it the right way.I see Mercedes has lodged two complaints,I don't think anything will come of it
I think Hamilton would want to win it the right way.I see Mercedes has lodged two complaints,I don't think anything will come of it
FIA appear to have broken their own rules.......going to be an interesting few hrs...... 
In reply to Post #5
I wouldn't of thought anything would either, but I'd imagine if the boot was on the opposite foot then red bull would do the same. Whatever happens, I'm not sure it was how either of them would want to win it
I wouldn't of thought anything would either, but I'd imagine if the boot was on the opposite foot then red bull would do the same. Whatever happens, I'm not sure it was how either of them would want to win it
In reply to Post #7
No you're right,Hamilton showed in that race he is still the best out and out racer but congratulations to Max
No you're right,Hamilton showed in that race he is still the best out and out racer but congratulations to Max
In reply to Post #5
He was winning in the right way it was the FIA that caused this **** end of the day the race should have ended under the safety car.
He was winning in the right way it was the FIA that caused this **** end of the day the race should have ended under the safety car.
In reply to Post #9
I know and he showed he is still the best on track,im glad Max has won it.It will make next year seriously interesting,if Hamilton returns
I know and he showed he is still the best on track,im glad Max has won it.It will make next year seriously interesting,if Hamilton returns
In reply to Post #1
What are peoples thoughts on how the f1 season has gone and the end to that final race
Can't say I am a fan of the Grand Procession (who ever is in front usually wins) but that was the biggest load of bollox I have ever seen. Should not have let those other cars through, end of, what was he, around 6 seconds in front?
Can't say I'm a Hamilton fan but he won for me. Robbed!
What are peoples thoughts on how the f1 season has gone and the end to that final race
Can't say I am a fan of the Grand Procession (who ever is in front usually wins) but that was the biggest load of bollox I have ever seen. Should not have let those other cars through, end of, what was he, around 6 seconds in front?
Can't say I'm a Hamilton fan but he won for me. Robbed!
Well it's finally been confirmed,Max is champion but they are now saying this could end up in court
In reply to Post #12
End of the day FIA have broken they're own rules and aren't man enough to overturn the result.
Court of arbitration next.
End of the day FIA have broken they're own rules and aren't man enough to overturn the result.
Court of arbitration next.
In reply to Post #13
It sounds like it
It sounds like it
In reply to Post #13
Absolutely, they totally f##ked it up, should of let the cars past straight away, panicked then tried to make a mends, let through a few cars, which then gained an advantage over the others racing further down the pack. Guarantee there will be massive rule changes come next season, there has to be, not a nice way for either to win the championship.
The comment by the race director of wanting them to race was a joke, I mean what had they been doing for the past 50 laps? Clearly Hamilton was much quicker today, and the right result would have been to let them finish under a safety car, but unfortunately they made split second decisions made on emotional rather than logic. F1 has failed today when it should have been a joyous occasion
Absolutely, they totally f##ked it up, should of let the cars past straight away, panicked then tried to make a mends, let through a few cars, which then gained an advantage over the others racing further down the pack. Guarantee there will be massive rule changes come next season, there has to be, not a nice way for either to win the championship.
The comment by the race director of wanting them to race was a joke, I mean what had they been doing for the past 50 laps? Clearly Hamilton was much quicker today, and the right result would have been to let them finish under a safety car, but unfortunately they made split second decisions made on emotional rather than logic. F1 has failed today when it should have been a joyous occasion
In reply to Post #15
For me it's the best season of f1 ruined.This season will now be remembered for this and not the racing that has gone before.Max has pushed the limit a few times and got away with it,Hamilton has shown the desire to win is still very much there.I can't wait to see Norris in a better car too
For me it's the best season of f1 ruined.This season will now be remembered for this and not the racing that has gone before.Max has pushed the limit a few times and got away with it,Hamilton has shown the desire to win is still very much there.I can't wait to see Norris in a better car too
In reply to Post #16
Russell could spring a few surprises, Bottas was poor this season, and didnt help Lewis out af all
Russell could spring a few surprises, Bottas was poor this season, and didnt help Lewis out af all
In reply to Post #17
Yes Russell is going to be very competitive in the Mercedes,he will be a better team mate to Hamilton.Thats if Hamilton is still in f1 next year 🤔
Yes Russell is going to be very competitive in the Mercedes,he will be a better team mate to Hamilton.Thats if Hamilton is still in f1 next year 🤔
For next year they need to get rid of the teams being able to speak to masi and the FIA........RB put him under pressure to let that last lap go.......
Should be good next year with the new cars though.......
Should be good next year with the new cars though.......
It was a complete farce. Max has been brilliant this year but Lewis was better on the day. If I was Merc having "invested" christ knows how many millions into that championship I'd be taking it to court too. Such a shame as it's been the best season I can remember. For me, Masi has to resign. Absolutely terrible decision to go halfway with the unlapping rule.
Roll on next year.
Roll on next year.
In reply to Post #20
I dont think we have heard the last of it,just a shame it has come to this.Max has been very risky this year,even the other drivers have questioned his driving at times.Im not a Hamilton fan really but he has proven many times he is still the best driver on that grid,as you say roll on next year
I dont think we have heard the last of it,just a shame it has come to this.Max has been very risky this year,even the other drivers have questioned his driving at times.Im not a Hamilton fan really but he has proven many times he is still the best driver on that grid,as you say roll on next year
In reply to Post #21
Max has taken it two steps too far on a few occasions but it does make for exciting viewing. Ironically yesterday's farce had nowt to do with Max or RB or any other driver/team. It was just incompetence on behalf of the FIA.
Next year with the new rules and the budget cap should be awesome but if anyone can **** it up it's the FIA I'm sure
Max has taken it two steps too far on a few occasions but it does make for exciting viewing. Ironically yesterday's farce had nowt to do with Max or RB or any other driver/team. It was just incompetence on behalf of the FIA.
Next year with the new rules and the budget cap should be awesome but if anyone can **** it up it's the FIA I'm sure
In reply to Post #22
I'm sure they will get it wrong more than once
I'm sure they will get it wrong more than once
In reply to Post #1
Hi Braders
Whatever the final outcome is whether it goes to Max or Lewis I think the 2021 season will be remembered as a sour one no matter how good the racing was.
Masi, for me, proved throughout the season he wasn't the man for the job and for the FIA to let him be in the position to be the centrepiece for the final race was a disaster waiting to happen.
Court cases pending etc, but for me F1 is the biggest loser today
Best
Jon
Hi Braders
Whatever the final outcome is whether it goes to Max or Lewis I think the 2021 season will be remembered as a sour one no matter how good the racing was.
Masi, for me, proved throughout the season he wasn't the man for the job and for the FIA to let him be in the position to be the centrepiece for the final race was a disaster waiting to happen.
Court cases pending etc, but for me F1 is the biggest loser today
Best
Jon
As I understand it Masi has been in this sort of position for years so he knew the rules pretty clearly (supposably) but on this occasion has made a right cock up.
Great season,Hamilton deserved the win and title yesterday but congrats to max 👍👍
As been said this race/season will be remembered for the wrong reasons and fair play to Hamilton yesterday as he could have easily clipped max's wheel when he over took.
Great season,Hamilton deserved the win and title yesterday but congrats to max 👍👍
As been said this race/season will be remembered for the wrong reasons and fair play to Hamilton yesterday as he could have easily clipped max's wheel when he over took.
In reply to Post #24
I'm surprised Mercedes didn't make bottas plough into a barrier as they got going again.......RB will probably use that kind of tactic next year if they can't put pressure on Massi anymore....... 
In reply to Post #25
Masi took over in 2019 when Charlie Whiting died and he would never have let that happen it would have finished behind safety car like it should have been.
Masi took over in 2019 when Charlie Whiting died and he would never have let that happen it would have finished behind safety car like it should have been.
Masi should have gone after that farce in Spa.
They should revert to a closed pit lane as soon as the safety car is announced. That would stop drivers at the back of the field from getting a 'free' pit stop for tyres during the deployment.FWIW I am a Hamilton fan, but it was bad luck pure and simple deprived him of the title this year, not Max, not the stewards not Micheal Masi. Move on and beat them all next year. With GR as his wing man, he'll be much stronger. Perez did a great job on Hamilton but without the VSC and then the full SC it would still have counted for naught!
Bad luck, Lewis. Rest, regroup, and come back stronger than ever in 2022.
Bad luck, Lewis. Rest, regroup, and come back stronger than ever in 2022.
In reply to Post #30
But Sainz wasnt allowed to race Max, for all we know it he could of got involved and made it even more interesting. If you want racing let everyone race
But Sainz wasnt allowed to race Max, for all we know it he could of got involved and made it even more interesting. If you want racing let everyone race
In reply to Post #31
Correct👍
Correct👍
What a **** show. Regardless of who you support the fact is the season was decided by a totally incorrect application of the rules never seen before during a GP.
Massi himself insisted at the Eifel GP in 2020 the sporting regulations were clear and that ALL cars must unlap themselves before the Safety Car could come in.
It can't be a coincidence that he changed the decision that lapped cars would not be allowed to overtake only after Horner got into his ribs. And then only the cars between Lewis and Verstappen.
It's inconceivable that such an arbitrary decision was made in the last laps of the final race of the season against all the regulations and custom and practice.
Cui bono? Well it certainly wasn't Lewis/Mercedes.
Massi himself insisted at the Eifel GP in 2020 the sporting regulations were clear and that ALL cars must unlap themselves before the Safety Car could come in.
It can't be a coincidence that he changed the decision that lapped cars would not be allowed to overtake only after Horner got into his ribs. And then only the cars between Lewis and Verstappen.
It's inconceivable that such an arbitrary decision was made in the last laps of the final race of the season against all the regulations and custom and practice.
Cui bono? Well it certainly wasn't Lewis/Mercedes.
In reply to Post #33
I remember the Eifel GP with Norris' engine problem.
That right there is the reason Masi has to go.
It would be bad enough to finish a regulars season like this but to take away an all-time championship record is unforgivable.
I remember the Eifel GP with Norris' engine problem.
That right there is the reason Masi has to go.
It would be bad enough to finish a regulars season like this but to take away an all-time championship record is unforgivable.
Hamilton may now be punished as he did not attend an fia event,the top three drivers are expected to attend.He has broken the rules a statement has said,I dont know how they dare.Hamilton could end up walking away from F1,I would not blame him at all if he did
In reply to Post #35
If the FIA fine him for that I reckon they run the risk of Hamilton and Mercedes walking away
If the FIA fine him for that I reckon they run the risk of Hamilton and Mercedes walking away
In reply to Post #36
That is exactly what I thought when I read it,Toto Wolff did not attend either
That is exactly what I thought when I read it,Toto Wolff did not attend either
In reply to Post #36
Good let's hope that happens then.
Good let's hope that happens then.
How ironic that the FIA are considering a fine for LH for breaking FIA rules........ 
In reply to Post #38
Why is it good,who is it good for exactly
Why is it good,who is it good for exactly
In reply to Post #39
It did make me laugh when I read it
It did make me laugh when I read it
In reply to Post #36
They should maybe drive away ... they have lots of lovely cars
They should maybe drive away ... they have lots of lovely cars
In reply to Post #35
I dont think he'll care less if he gets fined tbh. It's whether he can get his head round what happened last week that'll make the difference.
There is no way Merc will leave having just spent hundreds of millions and countless man hours on the new car over the past 2 years. Toto could leave I guess but Merc will be on the grid next year imo.
I dont think he'll care less if he gets fined tbh. It's whether he can get his head round what happened last week that'll make the difference.
There is no way Merc will leave having just spent hundreds of millions and countless man hours on the new car over the past 2 years. Toto could leave I guess but Merc will be on the grid next year imo.
If Merc do get shirty they could stop supplying engines to other teams when their contracts run out. That would **** the FIA right off.
Masi sacked, and no matter what your views are on Hamilton, it's very clear he was absolutely stitched up
In reply to Post #45
But they haven't got the b**lls to strip Verstappen of the title and award the race to finish in the order behind the safety car which is what should have happened.
But they haven't got the b**lls to strip Verstappen of the title and award the race to finish in the order behind the safety car which is what should have happened.
In reply to Post #46
The regs don't allow them to do that.
Masi isn't sacked, just moved over to a Safety role of some kind, but the intention is crystal clear. I'm actually surprised it's happened as it's an admission of guilt from FIA.
The regs don't allow them to do that.
Masi isn't sacked, just moved over to a Safety role of some kind, but the intention is crystal clear. I'm actually surprised it's happened as it's an admission of guilt from FIA.
In reply to Post #47
The refs didn't allow Masi to do what he done either.
The refs didn't allow Masi to do what he done either.
In reply to Post #48
True dat. Although the rejection of the protest after the race says otherwise. Load of BS innit.
True dat. Although the rejection of the protest after the race says otherwise. Load of BS innit.
In reply to Post #49
The public outrage dictated the need for a reaction by the FIA.
The easiest reaction was to pin the tail to Massi, and when you look at it, the outcome of the final races sits squarley at his door step.
The section of the way in which rules are applied seem to have been skipped over, the biggest gripe from the drivers was the inconsistency given in wheel to wheel racing rules and how they were applied. with many thinking Verstappen was regularly over stepping the mark when defending position.
I suspect with the car upgrade's do lead to the desired outcome of closer wheel to wheel racing, he will have his wings clipped or end up with a few DNF's
The public outrage dictated the need for a reaction by the FIA.
The easiest reaction was to pin the tail to Massi, and when you look at it, the outcome of the final races sits squarley at his door step.
The section of the way in which rules are applied seem to have been skipped over, the biggest gripe from the drivers was the inconsistency given in wheel to wheel racing rules and how they were applied. with many thinking Verstappen was regularly over stepping the mark when defending position.
I suspect with the car upgrade's do lead to the desired outcome of closer wheel to wheel racing, he will have his wings clipped or end up with a few DNF's
In reply to Post #50
Masi ****ed up- royally. He was awful all season long, making many dubious decisions. Occam's razor suggests his screw up in the last race is why he was moved aside and I guess they couldn't just fire him and risk the fall out from that, which could be really embarrassing for the FIA. Would help if they published the report on the events in full.
Regarding Verstappen's world title:- what happened wasn't his fault and it's too late to rewind the clock. Did he deserve the title? As a Lewis fan I'd say yes, they both did. The problem is that last race was a winner take all event and Max didn't win that final race on merit but took the title due to Masi and will always have an asterisk against it for that reason.
Masi ****ed up- royally. He was awful all season long, making many dubious decisions. Occam's razor suggests his screw up in the last race is why he was moved aside and I guess they couldn't just fire him and risk the fall out from that, which could be really embarrassing for the FIA. Would help if they published the report on the events in full.
Regarding Verstappen's world title:- what happened wasn't his fault and it's too late to rewind the clock. Did he deserve the title? As a Lewis fan I'd say yes, they both did. The problem is that last race was a winner take all event and Max didn't win that final race on merit but took the title due to Masi and will always have an asterisk against it for that reason.
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