Teflon free Winter suit and other winter clothing without Teflon is this available in the carp branch?
Seems that aquatexx bivvy's and derivatives such as Ventec also contain Teflon, so sleeping bags with Aquatexx and such also contain Teflon?
Seems that aquatexx bivvy's and derivatives such as Ventec also contain Teflon, so sleeping bags with Aquatexx and such also contain Teflon?
Can't help with an answer, but curious what's wrong with teflon?
In reply to Post #2
It is confirmed by DuPont's own researchers that PFOA is toxic says enough I think, on a bivvy okay but to wear it on your skin for a long time or to sleep in it doesn't seem wise to me.
It is confirmed by DuPont's own researchers that PFOA is toxic says enough I think, on a bivvy okay but to wear it on your skin for a long time or to sleep in it doesn't seem wise to me.
In reply to Post #3
You don't use non stick pans then?
You don't use non stick pans then?
In reply to Post #4
We cook with Cast iron pans.
We cook with Cast iron pans.
In reply to Post #3
Teflon has been used for years in many applications including non slip pans as well as food production. I think of it was dangerous we'd know about it.
Teflon has been used for years in many applications including non slip pans as well as food production. I think of it was dangerous we'd know about it.
In reply to Post #6
Watch the film Dark Waters and then you'll.find out how *safe* the stuff is.
Considering how it was proven with DuPont's own research that entered into court documents and the subsequent fines they received that it's still allowed to be used to this day is staggering. Teflon is as toxic as f..k.
Watch the film Dark Waters and then you'll.find out how *safe* the stuff is.
Considering how it was proven with DuPont's own research that entered into court documents and the subsequent fines they received that it's still allowed to be used to this day is staggering. Teflon is as toxic as f..k.
In reply to Post #7
My eggs don't stick,so I don't give a flying ****
My eggs don't stick,so I don't give a flying ****
In reply to Post #8
Strangely enough I've read that it's not so bad with frying pans, just as long as the coating doesn't come off and you ingest it. Clothing and things that come into close contact with your skin is the problem or the chemicals in the water.from industrial processing.
The chemical C8 which is known to cause cancers like testicular cancer and birth defects is estimated.to be in 99% of Americans blood and the same in other developed countries. Dupont have changed from the C8 chemical to their new formula called Gen X with similar results found in studies as what what found in C8 in relation to it's poisonous effects.
Strangely enough I've read that it's not so bad with frying pans, just as long as the coating doesn't come off and you ingest it. Clothing and things that come into close contact with your skin is the problem or the chemicals in the water.from industrial processing.
The chemical C8 which is known to cause cancers like testicular cancer and birth defects is estimated.to be in 99% of Americans blood and the same in other developed countries. Dupont have changed from the C8 chemical to their new formula called Gen X with similar results found in studies as what what found in C8 in relation to it's poisonous effects.
In reply to Post #3
A quick looks shows that pfoa isnt used in making teflon anymore. You are being paranoid
A quick looks shows that pfoa isnt used in making teflon anymore. You are being paranoid
In reply to Post #10
Correct but they use a different formula and name now but with similar toxicity...
Correct but they use a different formula and name now but with similar toxicity...
In reply to Post #11
Not from what I've just read.
Not from what I've just read.
I've seen dark waters and it's definatley shocking, however it's in everyone's blood already so just get on with it.
Double post...
I think if people researched everything they use in day to day life they'd find allsorts of nasties in use in manufacture. Some severe paranoia going on
I dont read naff all these so called experts write,I would not leave the house if I did and not eat or drink or now wear anything
In reply to Post #16
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #16
Agreed. Maybe if you were wearing a Teflon winter suit next to the skin for 24 hours a day for 50 years plus you might have a point but yeah you're not going to be so chill out, guess that means you don't use Teflon coated hooks too?
Agreed. Maybe if you were wearing a Teflon winter suit next to the skin for 24 hours a day for 50 years plus you might have a point but yeah you're not going to be so chill out, guess that means you don't use Teflon coated hooks too?
In reply to Post #16
That's not paranoia being concerned about Dupont and its dodgy chemicals, it's hard facts with the related court cases and subsequent fines to back it up.
Not so long ago it was said that 1 in 4 or 25% of the population will get cancer, now that estimate is down to 1 in 2 or 50% of the population will get cancer. Now I'm not attributing DuPont's chemicals for all of these cancers and being the driver, to what proportion DuPont's chemicals are to the overall numbers is anyone's guess, but to just shrug it off and suggest that concern for such things is being paranoid, come on.
That's not paranoia being concerned about Dupont and its dodgy chemicals, it's hard facts with the related court cases and subsequent fines to back it up.
Not so long ago it was said that 1 in 4 or 25% of the population will get cancer, now that estimate is down to 1 in 2 or 50% of the population will get cancer. Now I'm not attributing DuPont's chemicals for all of these cancers and being the driver, to what proportion DuPont's chemicals are to the overall numbers is anyone's guess, but to just shrug it off and suggest that concern for such things is being paranoid, come on.
In reply to Post #1
Just get naked,wrap yourself in cotton wool and do go out, ever...Paranoia overload.
Just get naked,wrap yourself in cotton wool and do go out, ever...Paranoia overload.
In reply to Post #20
This should perhaps be in general conversation category,perhaps it's best you go sit in a padded room and never leave.You can't live your life scared of everything that could happen to you,you could go out this afternoon and get hit by a car or have a crash.Life us too short to worry about it all,you are here once so enjoy it and what will be will be
This should perhaps be in general conversation category,perhaps it's best you go sit in a padded room and never leave.You can't live your life scared of everything that could happen to you,you could go out this afternoon and get hit by a car or have a crash.Life us too short to worry about it all,you are here once so enjoy it and what will be will be
In reply to Post #22
Genuinely I'm not sitting here like literally shaking, far from it, just pointing out the reality of this gear, that's all.
I've always thought that such things like Climate Change™ is a scam, concern about C8 and now DuPont's latest iteration is of very real and grounded concern much like Monsanto's (now Bayer) Roundup and what that does to the environment. As I've said before, considering the increase of cancer in the population that 50% will likely get it in their lifetimes, that's something worth thinking about in a rational way and as to why those numbers of 50% are so high and what the direct link is.
Genuinely I'm not sitting here like literally shaking, far from it, just pointing out the reality of this gear, that's all.
I've always thought that such things like Climate Change™ is a scam, concern about C8 and now DuPont's latest iteration is of very real and grounded concern much like Monsanto's (now Bayer) Roundup and what that does to the environment. As I've said before, considering the increase of cancer in the population that 50% will likely get it in their lifetimes, that's something worth thinking about in a rational way and as to why those numbers of 50% are so high and what the direct link is.
In reply to Post #23
So many contributing factors to cancer,higher population,more pollution,global warming(skin cancer).I guess we could go on all day,after a health scare myself in May (still recovering slowly)i live everyday being thankful I'm still here and have most of my faculties
So many contributing factors to cancer,higher population,more pollution,global warming(skin cancer).I guess we could go on all day,after a health scare myself in May (still recovering slowly)i live everyday being thankful I'm still here and have most of my faculties
I watched the film DARK WATERS when it came out a real eye opener all based on actual events and still !! ongoing today
well worth a watch great film
well worth a watch great film
In reply to Post #24
Good point about skin cancer, although I'd say that would be down to a weakening of magnetic fields due to polar shifts (actually happening) rather than Climate Change™ as the later supposedly is down do heating the atmosphere up and an increase in Co2 (been on a flat trajectory for the last decade so I've read recently).
I've always thought that people have got too much on their plate/have little influence with everyday living to contend with or care which is understandable (not directed at anyone at all) and when people hear of yet another thing that can possibly kill them etc, it's like one big collective yawn, I do it myself, you know like 'fat is good for you research has found', then the very next week fat causes cancer or whatever, it gets all so tiresome and also quite negative. There's a few things which I've mentioned already that I do believe are of legitimate concern. I do find it rather strange that in particular when it comes to cancer it seems there's a push to find the cure, never to deal with what's actually causing those cancers and dealing with them in the first instance.
I know you're recovering from what happened not so long ago to you which I hope you're on the mend with and things can only get better 👍
Good point about skin cancer, although I'd say that would be down to a weakening of magnetic fields due to polar shifts (actually happening) rather than Climate Change™ as the later supposedly is down do heating the atmosphere up and an increase in Co2 (been on a flat trajectory for the last decade so I've read recently).
I've always thought that people have got too much on their plate/have little influence with everyday living to contend with or care which is understandable (not directed at anyone at all) and when people hear of yet another thing that can possibly kill them etc, it's like one big collective yawn, I do it myself, you know like 'fat is good for you research has found', then the very next week fat causes cancer or whatever, it gets all so tiresome and also quite negative. There's a few things which I've mentioned already that I do believe are of legitimate concern. I do find it rather strange that in particular when it comes to cancer it seems there's a push to find the cure, never to deal with what's actually causing those cancers and dealing with them in the first instance.
I know you're recovering from what happened not so long ago to you which I hope you're on the mend with and things can only get better 👍
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I do find it rather strange that in particular when it comes to cancer it seems there's a push to find the cure, never to deal with what's actually causing those cancers and dealing with them in the first instance
I think they've been trying to put people off smoking for a while now, as well as warning about protection from the sun.
I do find it rather strange that in particular when it comes to cancer it seems there's a push to find the cure, never to deal with what's actually causing those cancers and dealing with them in the first instance
I think they've been trying to put people off smoking for a while now, as well as warning about protection from the sun.
In reply to Post #3
Blimey I had no idea.
Blimey I had no idea.
In reply to Post #28
True, good point 👍
True, good point 👍
Im with braders, i couldnt personally care. If you read into everything thats bad for you you would be locked up in the house drinking evian and eating avocados. Your only here once so im making the most of it. Ive just ate a lovely omelette out of my teflon frying pan and I might even have another one tomorrow 👍🏻 Lifes to short to worry about things like teflon imo.
In reply to Post #31
Make it in your microwave tomorrow though and talk on your mobile phone at the same time
lol
Make it in your microwave tomorrow though and talk on your mobile phone at the same time
lol
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This thread is a very interesting example of new information, the reaction to that new information, the cognitive dissonance expressed after contemplation of that new information. Fascinating, simply fascinating...
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This thread is a very interesting example of new information, the reaction to that new information, the cognitive dissonance expressed after contemplation of that new information. Fascinating, simply fascinating...
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Well you learn something new every day. As a young apprentice pretty much all I did for the first few months was work with ptfe and I have been around it in a small way ever since. My wife always says that I am a slippery f####r
In reply to Post #36
Wasn't Bojo brought up eating Teflon.
Wasn't Bojo brought up eating Teflon.
In reply to Post #28
I think they've been trying to put people off smoking for a while now, as well as warning about protection from the sun.
Yet not about using carcinogenic products in your food, nor environmentally damaging products in the air you go through, neither about how plastics get into your food from plastic containers or clingfilm.
You know about air pollution, yet not what is necessarily in the air.
Big corporations do not care as long as they make money, to hell with the people and the environment.
Personally I prefer non non stick pans to cook with.
If someone is concerned about Teflon in clothing we should accept their choice.
I think they've been trying to put people off smoking for a while now, as well as warning about protection from the sun.
Yet not about using carcinogenic products in your food, nor environmentally damaging products in the air you go through, neither about how plastics get into your food from plastic containers or clingfilm.
You know about air pollution, yet not what is necessarily in the air.
Big corporations do not care as long as they make money, to hell with the people and the environment.
Personally I prefer non non stick pans to cook with.
If someone is concerned about Teflon in clothing we should accept their choice.
In reply to Post #38
They should accept that most of us don't give a flying **** too.I thought for Teflon to be dangerous it had to be used over a certain temperature and I'm sure it is quite a high temperature too.Mobile phones are supposedly dangerous,we still all use them daily more so than wearing or using Teflon.Where do you draw the line of what you worry about,one thing is for sure in life and that's death.Enjoy it well you can and make the most of everyday
They should accept that most of us don't give a flying **** too.I thought for Teflon to be dangerous it had to be used over a certain temperature and I'm sure it is quite a high temperature too.Mobile phones are supposedly dangerous,we still all use them daily more so than wearing or using Teflon.Where do you draw the line of what you worry about,one thing is for sure in life and that's death.Enjoy it well you can and make the most of everyday
In reply to Post #38
Authorities have been banning carcinogens from food, cosmetics etc for years. It was generally reported as 'EU bans our (insert product name). No doubt more could be done though.
Plastics and food is difficult. It's bad in itself, but if using plastics extends the useful life of the food, then that has value.
Big corporations simply do what their shareholders (the people) want - earn money. Maybe one day they'll realise it's not the be-all and end-all and they'll act more responsibly.
In the meantime, we're free to make choices - if we can afford to.
Authorities have been banning carcinogens from food, cosmetics etc for years. It was generally reported as 'EU bans our (insert product name). No doubt more could be done though.
Plastics and food is difficult. It's bad in itself, but if using plastics extends the useful life of the food, then that has value.
Big corporations simply do what their shareholders (the people) want - earn money. Maybe one day they'll realise it's not the be-all and end-all and they'll act more responsibly.
In the meantime, we're free to make choices - if we can afford to.
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