They've lost 72 fish to this virus from the floods. Absolutely gutted for them. Never fished the place but must be soul destroying when you put in as much work as they have done. 7 of them are originals too. 
Hope they don't loose too many more.
Hope they don't loose too many more.
In reply to Post #1
From floods? How does that work?
From floods? How does that work?
In reply to Post #2
They consulted with Simon Scott and he confirmed it's possible for it to be spread just in water, you have to remember most rivers and lakes canals the lot have koi that have been released
They consulted with Simon Scott and he confirmed it's possible for it to be spread just in water, you have to remember most rivers and lakes canals the lot have koi that have been released
In reply to Post #2
Suspect it would be more probable via – KHV infected Carp had breed in a water in the area and then those infected fry then spread the virus far and wide via flooding, or via over-flows to other waters downstream.
Been told stories of the same thing happening in the UK
Suspect it would be more probable via – KHV infected Carp had breed in a water in the area and then those infected fry then spread the virus far and wide via flooding, or via over-flows to other waters downstream.
Been told stories of the same thing happening in the UK
In reply to Post #1
interesting how other lakes in the area have no issue...
interesting how other lakes in the area have no issue...
In reply to Post #5
Meaning what?
Meaning what?
In reply to Post #6
Meaning that possible they are not telling anglers what is going on.
Meaning that possible they are not telling anglers what is going on.
You'd have thought that if the flood water contained enough khv in the water or in infected fry to cause an issue in Gigantica, then surely all the surrounding lakes and stock ponds would all have issues as well if they were flooded wouldn't they?
Isn't it more likely that someone has accidentally brought it onto the complex by not drying stuff off properly?
However it's got in there it's a bloody shame. I've seen first hand what this can do to a water and I can tell you it's not pretty.
Unfortunately as a fishery for a good few years it's finished. Who in their right mind would fish a water with KHV in it and then risk it being transferred back to their home water. I feel sorry for all the guys that have put in all the work to make this place what it is now.
Isn't it more likely that someone has accidentally brought it onto the complex by not drying stuff off properly?
However it's got in there it's a bloody shame. I've seen first hand what this can do to a water and I can tell you it's not pretty.
Unfortunately as a fishery for a good few years it's finished. Who in their right mind would fish a water with KHV in it and then risk it being transferred back to their home water. I feel sorry for all the guys that have put in all the work to make this place what it is now.
In reply to Post #7
And what does that mean? What exactly are you suggesting they would be hiding?
And what does that mean? What exactly are you suggesting they would be hiding?
In reply to Post #8
People fished Pavyotts Mill when it was rife, today's Korda Klones neither care or understand.
People fished Pavyotts Mill when it was rife, today's Korda Klones neither care or understand.
In reply to Post #8
Sounds nearer the truth not sure if they have a net dipping policy 🤔
Sounds nearer the truth not sure if they have a net dipping policy 🤔
In reply to Post #10
Typical forum BS imo mate. Managing to turn a topic that will be of concern to some, into a means to slate the modern/young angler.
You are no better than most modern anglers mate. You're not special or superior. Yes there are idiots about today, but there always has been. Most of the top anglers 40 years ago were down the Horse & Barge with the rods out. You don't see "today's Korda Klones" doing that do you
Typical forum BS imo mate. Managing to turn a topic that will be of concern to some, into a means to slate the modern/young angler.
You are no better than most modern anglers mate. You're not special or superior. Yes there are idiots about today, but there always has been. Most of the top anglers 40 years ago were down the Horse & Barge with the rods out. You don't see "today's Korda Klones" doing that do you
In reply to Post #11
i dont think you're even allowed to bring any of your own nets or mats. they supply all that for you
i dont think you're even allowed to bring any of your own nets or mats. they supply all that for you
In reply to Post #10
I would take 10 "korda klones" over one "angler" who chooses to spread rumours or bad mouth people involved with things when they have problems.
I would take 10 "korda klones" over one "angler" who chooses to spread rumours or bad mouth people involved with things when they have problems.
In reply to Post #12
Yep You're right you wouldn't see them down the pub, today's culture for many young and old is catch at all costs virus or no virus.
Thats the answer to the questioning why anyone would fish a water with the virus.
Yep You're right you wouldn't see them down the pub, today's culture for many young and old is catch at all costs virus or no virus.
Thats the answer to the questioning why anyone would fish a water with the virus.
In reply to Post #14
You take that up with the people spreading the rumours then.
You take that up with the people spreading the rumours then.
In reply to Post #16
You are literally using this thread about someones misfortune and livelyhood to slag people off. Have a look at yourself.
You are literally using this thread about someones misfortune and livelyhood to slag people off. Have a look at yourself.
In reply to Post #9
Ffs how hard can it be? Potential fish loss (paying to fish for fish that arent there any more) and risk of bringing virus home/to other waters with you... If it came in with the flood and same water flooded other lakes aswell. If I am not saying it did... It is just interesting to me... It doesnt have to be interesting to you... You can move on... Personally if I were owner in that area I would make sure it would be on my web site first news that I lake is ok.
Ffs how hard can it be? Potential fish loss (paying to fish for fish that arent there any more) and risk of bringing virus home/to other waters with you... If it came in with the flood and same water flooded other lakes aswell. If I am not saying it did... It is just interesting to me... It doesnt have to be interesting to you... You can move on... Personally if I were owner in that area I would make sure it would be on my web site first news that I lake is ok.
In reply to Post #18
What are you talking about?
It's like trying to read a random word generator.
What are you talking about?
It's like trying to read a random word generator.
In reply to Post #19
Nothing., move on...
Nothing., move on...
In reply to Post #15
Todays culture.......?
The guys I see on the bank today are as passionate and courteous as any I've seen in the last 30 odd years. I don't know where you fish but it sounds ****ing awful mate.
Cheer up and enjoy some fishing. Carp angling is a beautiful past time don't you know.
Todays culture.......?
The guys I see on the bank today are as passionate and courteous as any I've seen in the last 30 odd years. I don't know where you fish but it sounds ****ing awful mate.
Cheer up and enjoy some fishing. Carp angling is a beautiful past time don't you know.
In reply to Post #21
The young guys brought up by korda, love them or hate them, are fantastic too. They take fish care seriously, and are passionate about safety, so im not sure what facebook post Dez gets his information from.
The young guys brought up by korda, love them or hate them, are fantastic too. They take fish care seriously, and are passionate about safety, so im not sure what facebook post Dez gets his information from.
In reply to Post #22
I totally agree. I think lots of guys just envy their youth so blame everything/anything on them. Including KHV. In France
I totally agree. I think lots of guys just envy their youth so blame everything/anything on them. Including KHV. In France
It wouldn't be a forum post without sweeping generalisation stereotyping.
Just to mute the rumours that it was caused by anything Gigantica have announced, there are images showing the influx of flood plains from river banks breached. Now then, for the conspirators, sorry to ruin your day
Why so cynical 
Anyway, is this likely to affect them for years to come or can it be resolved fairly quickly? Presume they will put more measures in place so that it can't be spread any further.
Just to mute the rumours that it was caused by anything Gigantica have announced, there are images showing the influx of flood plains from river banks breached. Now then, for the conspirators, sorry to ruin your day
Why so cynical Anyway, is this likely to affect them for years to come or can it be resolved fairly quickly? Presume they will put more measures in place so that it can't be spread any further.
In reply to Post #5
Could be that not all the lakes flooded, the main lake did yet Korda road lake didn't the other side of the road, pretty sure Gigantica lakes anything for landing weighing and retaining are supplied on-site same as their Norton Disney complex for bio security, not a lot anyone can do if flooding of the lake is the issue, potentially all lakes have KHV it lays dormant in a fish until the right conditions sets it off generally poor water quality and stress.
Could be that not all the lakes flooded, the main lake did yet Korda road lake didn't the other side of the road, pretty sure Gigantica lakes anything for landing weighing and retaining are supplied on-site same as their Norton Disney complex for bio security, not a lot anyone can do if flooding of the lake is the issue, potentially all lakes have KHV it lays dormant in a fish until the right conditions sets it off generally poor water quality and stress.
In reply to Post #23
That elitest pedestal some of those 80's anglers insist on plonking themselves on rearing its head again.
That elitest pedestal some of those 80's anglers insist on plonking themselves on rearing its head again.
In reply to Post #17
Get a grip mate, the question was "why would anyone fish a water with the virus and risk transferring it", see post 8. My reply about Pavyotts is and was fact, ask the owner of Ashmead about it or do some homework on here as there is a long thread on it. It happened on other waters too.
Yes a lot of todays Carpers have no knowledge of the virus or care, Korda, Nash or Fox clones is a broad brush on todays carper that fish the likes of Pavyott's, dont take it personally.
I'm not using the thread to slag anyone off but you twist it how you like.
Get a grip mate, the question was "why would anyone fish a water with the virus and risk transferring it", see post 8. My reply about Pavyotts is and was fact, ask the owner of Ashmead about it or do some homework on here as there is a long thread on it. It happened on other waters too.
Yes a lot of todays Carpers have no knowledge of the virus or care, Korda, Nash or Fox clones is a broad brush on todays carper that fish the likes of Pavyott's, dont take it personally.
I'm not using the thread to slag anyone off but you twist it how you like.
In reply to Post #27
You really have an awful outlook.
You really have an awful outlook.
In reply to Post #8
You'd have thought that if the flood water contained enough khv in the water or in infected fry to cause an issue in Gigantica, then surely all the surrounding lakes and stock ponds would all have issues as well if they were flooded wouldn't they?
Or perhaps Gigantica is the only lake with the honesty and integrity to report it to authorities? If we're speculating...
You'd have thought that if the flood water contained enough khv in the water or in infected fry to cause an issue in Gigantica, then surely all the surrounding lakes and stock ponds would all have issues as well if they were flooded wouldn't they?
Or perhaps Gigantica is the only lake with the honesty and integrity to report it to authorities? If we're speculating...
In reply to Post #28
How daft are you ? So i have an awful outlook based on the facts of what has and does go on?
How daft are you ? So i have an awful outlook based on the facts of what has and does go on?
However it happened it's a real shame for the people who have put time into the fishery. Not my thing, but for what it was the stock was impressive, hopefully they don't lose many.
Kick in the balls for DF when he is already having a rough time, hearing him speak he loved the place.
How would you go about trying to solve the problem? Obviously they will have to close, but can you treat the fish?
Kick in the balls for DF when he is already having a rough time, hearing him speak he loved the place.
How would you go about trying to solve the problem? Obviously they will have to close, but can you treat the fish?
In reply to Post #31
At least they've got the best man for the job onboard Simon Scott
At least they've got the best man for the job onboard Simon Scott
It has to be said that gigantica is one of if not the most honest fisheries in France...
How many lakes would immediately remove fish from their site fish pictures that have passed, how many lakes would Immediately inform people of an outbreak of disease??
Fair play to them, they are an example.of how to run French fisheries properly.
I have been told that Simon is or was onside assisting with the problem and that bookings have been cancelled.
How many lakes would immediately remove fish from their site fish pictures that have passed, how many lakes would Immediately inform people of an outbreak of disease??
Fair play to them, they are an example.of how to run French fisheries properly.
I have been told that Simon is or was onside assisting with the problem and that bookings have been cancelled.
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In reply to Post #21
Well said Yonny
Well said Yonny
In reply to Post #33
agree with this,
agree with this,
In reply to Post #33
Nail on head. Gigantica could not have been more honest here. Firstly they are one of few fisheries in France which have not just stolen their stock from public waters and secondly they have broadcast that they have a problem. I really feel sorry for them yet people are trying to twist and suggest that there is an unsaid story.
It's pathetic.
Nail on head. Gigantica could not have been more honest here. Firstly they are one of few fisheries in France which have not just stolen their stock from public waters and secondly they have broadcast that they have a problem. I really feel sorry for them yet people are trying to twist and suggest that there is an unsaid story.
It's pathetic.
is it just a matter of time before someone starts to tell us that the virus is a hoax and more carp die of flu every year....?
In reply to Post #38
Hahahhahaah
Hahahhahaah
In reply to Post #1
Gigantica provide all the equipment you need for landing and weighing. So highly unlikely it was brought on site by visiting anglers.
The main lake sits on the North side of the road with the river to the north of that, no other English owned lakes flood in that general area, not even the road lake, which is South of the main lake. So, no other English owned holiday lakes will have been effected. hence no other lakes reporting an issue.
Well done Gigantica for being as transparent as they have. Great business and customer service.
Some people will find fault no matter what they do !
Gigantica provide all the equipment you need for landing and weighing. So highly unlikely it was brought on site by visiting anglers.
The main lake sits on the North side of the road with the river to the north of that, no other English owned lakes flood in that general area, not even the road lake, which is South of the main lake. So, no other English owned holiday lakes will have been effected. hence no other lakes reporting an issue.
Well done Gigantica for being as transparent as they have. Great business and customer service.
Some people will find fault no matter what they do !
In reply to Post #37
Yes, good luck guys.
Yes, good luck guys.
In reply to Post #37
Dammed if you do dammed if you don't. I mean **** sake you tell the customers the truth but still get shafted
Dammed if you do dammed if you don't. I mean **** sake you tell the customers the truth but still get shafted
In reply to Post #38
Koi Hoax Virus,surely you know that Mal
Koi Hoax Virus,surely you know that Mal
In reply to Post #43
Classic modern day Korda bashing responses from some ITT. Shameful.
In my opinion Korda, and in particular Danny Fairbrass, do way more for thr modern day (and future) carp scene than any others. Investing his own time and money in to such projects as the Embryo waters back this up.
Gigantica is unquestionably one of the best, most forward thinking waters in France. They have invested a lot of time and money in to the stocking programme (i.e. stock ponds, only fish bred on site introduced to their waters etc), not to mention providing all fish care equipment. This must be a painful blow to them. Anyone knocking them or suggesting foul play needs to give their head a wobble
Classic modern day Korda bashing responses from some ITT. Shameful.
In my opinion Korda, and in particular Danny Fairbrass, do way more for thr modern day (and future) carp scene than any others. Investing his own time and money in to such projects as the Embryo waters back this up.
Gigantica is unquestionably one of the best, most forward thinking waters in France. They have invested a lot of time and money in to the stocking programme (i.e. stock ponds, only fish bred on site introduced to their waters etc), not to mention providing all fish care equipment. This must be a painful blow to them. Anyone knocking them or suggesting foul play needs to give their head a wobble
In reply to Post #44
Wish them all the best. They are a professional outfit, hope they get on top of the situation sooner rather than later.
Wish them all the best. They are a professional outfit, hope they get on top of the situation sooner rather than later.
Hi All
There's quite a good piece on their Facebook page outlining everything, it even clarifies some of the crap that's been written on here.
I can't really see the point of knocking a man or a company when they're quite obviously going through such an extremely difficult time no matter what you think of them. The only word that comes to mind is "Sick"
Best
Jon
There's quite a good piece on their Facebook page outlining everything, it even clarifies some of the crap that's been written on here.
I can't really see the point of knocking a man or a company when they're quite obviously going through such an extremely difficult time no matter what you think of them. The only word that comes to mind is "Sick"
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #46
I'd love to have a mooch thru every Korda haters terminal tackle box .....
I'd love to have a mooch thru every Korda haters terminal tackle box .....
In reply to Post #47
Their tacklebox is probably a Korda one
Their tacklebox is probably a Korda one
In reply to Post #8
I would have thought it would have been there all along, with infected carp entering the water at some stage, acting as carriers. Conditions, close contact (probably at spawning) and the state of a given fishes immune system probably resulting in an outbreak. Certainly not the first lake in France to have such issues spring up unexpectedly.
Unfortunately it could be a long hard battle going forward to replenish the stock. Most survivors building immunity but becoming carriers.
I would have thought it would have been there all along, with infected carp entering the water at some stage, acting as carriers. Conditions, close contact (probably at spawning) and the state of a given fishes immune system probably resulting in an outbreak. Certainly not the first lake in France to have such issues spring up unexpectedly.
Unfortunately it could be a long hard battle going forward to replenish the stock. Most survivors building immunity but becoming carriers.
In reply to Post #44
i agree mate .. the older generation resent the fact that their instructional video content shows younger people how to go out and catch carp! so used to sharing no information about baits, rigs, swims etc with anyone
i agree mate .. the older generation resent the fact that their instructional video content shows younger people how to go out and catch carp! so used to sharing no information about baits, rigs, swims etc with anyone
In reply to Post #38
Just seen this...What awful news. I never fished there, but I was impressed by the very professional manner the Korda team on there went about their work. It is tragic what has happened to those carp, and my heart bleeds for them.
In reply to Post #10
And today's Korda bashers also have no idea about fish ecology they consulted Simon Scott if they were lying in the post he would not let them have his name on it
And today's Korda bashers also have no idea about fish ecology they consulted Simon Scott if they were lying in the post he would not let them have his name on it
In reply to Post #44
From what I've seen Danny absolutely loves gigantica. I can only imagine how gutted he is at the moment. Also from what I've seen of him. He is not a liar. I take what he is saying about this as the truth. Simon Scott has been on the case and he isn't a liar either.
From what I've seen Danny absolutely loves gigantica. I can only imagine how gutted he is at the moment. Also from what I've seen of him. He is not a liar. I take what he is saying about this as the truth. Simon Scott has been on the case and he isn't a liar either.
It may have been the DVD,s 🤔
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