Snapped my jag hook file and just about to order another but is there any better cheaper alternatives without the carp tax
Thanks
Thanks
In reply to Post #1
I would be very surprised if your local engineering supplier didn't have something suitable.
I would be very surprised if your local engineering supplier didn't have something suitable.
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Never really understood this fad of sharpening hooks to the extremes they are now. The advice is to file off the backbone of the point, which doesn't make any sense at all, because, the point loses all its strength; and that's the business end of the hook.
There's a lot of evidence building up, which shows these sharpened hooks are leaving shards of metal behind in carp's mouths. This means that the wound in their mouths aren't getting the chance to heal properly, resulting in infection.
I totally understand touching up the hook point to regain its sharpness after catching a fish, but filing its strength away is crazy.
But, to each their own
Never really understood this fad of sharpening hooks to the extremes they are now. The advice is to file off the backbone of the point, which doesn't make any sense at all, because, the point loses all its strength; and that's the business end of the hook.
There's a lot of evidence building up, which shows these sharpened hooks are leaving shards of metal behind in carp's mouths. This means that the wound in their mouths aren't getting the chance to heal properly, resulting in infection.
I totally understand touching up the hook point to regain its sharpness after catching a fish, but filing its strength away is crazy.
But, to each their own
From what I understand, you can use a jewellers file which is the same as a JAG file and a lot cheaper but I cannot remember what size of file.
Myself, I use a fine nail file, an emery board and a diamond file from Supadrug, about a £1 each for just giving a hook a quick touch up. But they are about the least used things in my tackle box.
Myself, I use a fine nail file, an emery board and a diamond file from Supadrug, about a £1 each for just giving a hook a quick touch up. But they are about the least used things in my tackle box.
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Could you quote or show us documented evidence please.
Could you quote or show us documented evidence please.
In reply to Post #5
It's well documented that if a hook is left in a fish's mouth, that infection will start. Fisheries are so paranoid about infection these days, that one of the rules imposed almost everywhere now is, an angler must use propolis, or some other similar product.
There are so many anglers, who've been using sharpened hooks and noticing that the end of the point is missing from the hook.
Where could that missing piece be?
It's well documented that if a hook is left in a fish's mouth, that infection will start. Fisheries are so paranoid about infection these days, that one of the rules imposed almost everywhere now is, an angler must use propolis, or some other similar product.
There are so many anglers, who've been using sharpened hooks and noticing that the end of the point is missing from the hook.
Where could that missing piece be?
Flat Pillar file cut 4 plenty on Ebay !!
In reply to Post #6
Hook points turn over I've never seen a hook point snap off ? Have you watched Adam penning hook sharping- he basically said that points snapping of etc is a load of balls.
Hook points turn over I've never seen a hook point snap off ? Have you watched Adam penning hook sharping- he basically said that points snapping of etc is a load of balls.
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Must be true if a carp angling superstar said it
Must be true if a carp angling superstar said it
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I won't believe **** all till uncle confirms it
I won't believe **** all till uncle confirms it
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Have you seen a point snap off?
Have you seen a point snap off?
In reply to Post #11
Yeah. Not my own hooks obviously, because I've never used sharpened hooks. Other anglers have shown me. It's happened with hand sharpened Gardner, ESP and those new Korda ones.
They're just not strong enough
Yeah. Not my own hooks obviously, because I've never used sharpened hooks. Other anglers have shown me. It's happened with hand sharpened Gardner, ESP and those new Korda ones.
They're just not strong enough
In reply to Post #10
Oh yeah, good ole Jim 😂
Oh yeah, good ole Jim 😂
Mods might as well lock this thread it's got no point 😂
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At the end of the day it comes down to the angler you always get someone who pushes the boundaries, you do need to know when to stop when sharpening.
At the end of the day it comes down to the angler you always get someone who pushes the boundaries, you do need to know when to stop when sharpening.
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😂😂
😂😂
In reply to Post #16
Very true
Very true
In reply to Post #12
It isn't really a case of not strong enough, some are just badly tempered and brittle
Found it happening a lot with the fox edges hooks so stopped using them
It isn't really a case of not strong enough, some are just badly tempered and brittle
Found it happening a lot with the fox edges hooks so stopped using them
In reply to Post #19
Not strong enough, but some are just badly tempered and brittle?
That means that filing the hooks HAS actually weakened them, then, surely? Or, are you saying something else?
I've seen it happening too many times, and I can't go fishing as much as I used to
Not strong enough, but some are just badly tempered and brittle?
That means that filing the hooks HAS actually weakened them, then, surely? Or, are you saying something else?
I've seen it happening too many times, and I can't go fishing as much as I used to
In reply to Post #20
The hooks mentioned were used straight out the packet
I haven't had it with the gardner and atomic hooks I sharpen
The hooks mentioned were used straight out the packet
I haven't had it with the gardner and atomic hooks I sharpen
In reply to Post #21
Ah right. Sorry, I see what you mean now.
I've never used atomic hooks, so can't comment. But, Gardner are excellent hooks. I'm surprised you sharpen them actually, because I've always found them to be sticky sharp straight from the packet.
Ah right. Sorry, I see what you mean now.
I've never used atomic hooks, so can't comment. But, Gardner are excellent hooks. I'm surprised you sharpen them actually, because I've always found them to be sticky sharp straight from the packet.
In reply to Post #12
I use shatpened hooks and have never seen it happen. Loads of other people use sharpened hooks and havr never seen it happen.
You dont use sharpened hooks, but loads of people who have have had it happen whilst you were fishing close by and they have shown you?
What are the chances
I use shatpened hooks and have never seen it happen. Loads of other people use sharpened hooks and havr never seen it happen.
You dont use sharpened hooks, but loads of people who have have had it happen whilst you were fishing close by and they have shown you?
What are the chances
In reply to Post #22
I thought that too, but looking at them up close doing some photos for the sharpened hooks thread on here, quite a few have blobs of coating at the point. It's probably unfair of me to single gardner out as I expect it happens with all brands, I've just taken more shots of gardner hooks than others.
All hooks get a tickle with a point doctor at the very least now
I thought that too, but looking at them up close doing some photos for the sharpened hooks thread on here, quite a few have blobs of coating at the point. It's probably unfair of me to single gardner out as I expect it happens with all brands, I've just taken more shots of gardner hooks than others.
All hooks get a tickle with a point doctor at the very least now
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Likewise, been using sharpened hooks for maybe 15 years and can't recall seeing a tip snap off. As Duggs mentioned, there'd have to be a problem with the heat treatment for a hook to be brittle enough to snap at the tip. Under normal circumstances the hook would just bend as yield strength is exceeded. It can snap at the bend (where yield strength is already exceeded during metal forming) if force is loaded on the hook improperly i.e. a crappy hook hold, but I'd consider it v unusual for a tip to snap off.
Likewise, been using sharpened hooks for maybe 15 years and can't recall seeing a tip snap off. As Duggs mentioned, there'd have to be a problem with the heat treatment for a hook to be brittle enough to snap at the tip. Under normal circumstances the hook would just bend as yield strength is exceeded. It can snap at the bend (where yield strength is already exceeded during metal forming) if force is loaded on the hook improperly i.e. a crappy hook hold, but I'd consider it v unusual for a tip to snap off.
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Careful now, when he left the monofilament gig he ran gamakatsu for a spell
Careful now, when he left the monofilament gig he ran gamakatsu for a spell
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I always thought most of the fishing mono manufacturing was either in Germany or the US?
I always thought most of the fishing mono manufacturing was either in Germany or the US?
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Or Japan.
We might make strimmer line?
Or Japan.
We might make strimmer line?
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I use strimmer line. I can cast 190+ yards with a pva bag with it. Never had a crack off
I use strimmer line. I can cast 190+ yards with a pva bag with it. Never had a crack off
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>>>>>I use strimmer line. I can cast 190+ yards with a pva bag with it. Never had a crack off<<<<<
Your pushing your luck their, I use a leader made from polypropylene 300kg breaking strain washing line, with an intermediate section of 4mm 550lb BS type 3 para cord, the real stuff, not the imitation para cord made from perlon that everyone uses in the belief it is para cord, to make it a bit more tapered and streamlined tied to satellite cable to sink fast and pin itself to the bottom.
The only drawback was I had to modify my rod to have 50mm rings all the way to the tip to allow the knots to pass through.
Its ideal for margin fishing, last week when I got snagged up, instead of losing my rig, I dragged an old motorbike frame out that must have been dumped in the margin. Week before, it looked like the bonnet from a mini, and the week before that, a broken wheelbarrow from a work party.
What was the thread about again?
>>>>>I use strimmer line. I can cast 190+ yards with a pva bag with it. Never had a crack off<<<<<
Your pushing your luck their, I use a leader made from polypropylene 300kg breaking strain washing line, with an intermediate section of 4mm 550lb BS type 3 para cord, the real stuff, not the imitation para cord made from perlon that everyone uses in the belief it is para cord, to make it a bit more tapered and streamlined tied to satellite cable to sink fast and pin itself to the bottom.
The only drawback was I had to modify my rod to have 50mm rings all the way to the tip to allow the knots to pass through.
Its ideal for margin fishing, last week when I got snagged up, instead of losing my rig, I dragged an old motorbike frame out that must have been dumped in the margin. Week before, it looked like the bonnet from a mini, and the week before that, a broken wheelbarrow from a work party.
What was the thread about again?
In reply to Post #1
Gardner Diamond File mate - best one out there. It was the original file that was used for years under the radar. Easy to use and perfect tool. Bit pricey but will last for years.
Gardner Diamond File mate - best one out there. It was the original file that was used for years under the radar. Easy to use and perfect tool. Bit pricey but will last for years.
In reply to Post #31
That metal thing that's been out a year or 2, or an older traditional file?
How can a commercially available hook file be under the radar
That metal thing that's been out a year or 2, or an older traditional file?
How can a commercially available hook file be under the radar
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I did originally find them a little small/thin so have used a DMT Dia-Sharp Mini-Hone to really get the points sharp, it's the red handled one you want, best used for small sharpening jobs not taking off bigger areas of metal.
I did originally find them a little small/thin so have used a DMT Dia-Sharp Mini-Hone to really get the points sharp, it's the red handled one you want, best used for small sharpening jobs not taking off bigger areas of metal.
In reply to Post #30
Hhahaha...
I recently got the NGT file, £4.50 from fishing republic, free shipping. Jason Rider mentioned them in a podcast. Seems decent for touching up the hookpoint.
Hhahaha...
I recently got the NGT file, £4.50 from fishing republic, free shipping. Jason Rider mentioned them in a podcast. Seems decent for touching up the hookpoint.
Without reading through the whole thread has anyone else noticed the jag and thinking anglers files last all of 5 minutes
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If its the thinking anglers pen thing, it will be clogged with coatings, give it a wash, then use a decent pencil rubber on it to get some more use out of it.
Files also clog, get a file card for a couple of quid to unclog it.
Jag stones clog the quickest, but are easiest to clean if you rub the two together
If its the thinking anglers pen thing, it will be clogged with coatings, give it a wash, then use a decent pencil rubber on it to get some more use out of it.
Files also clog, get a file card for a couple of quid to unclog it.
Jag stones clog the quickest, but are easiest to clean if you rub the two together
In reply to Post #36
I'm talking about the actual files and have had both feel really weird within about 10 uses of few strokes each
I'm talking about the actual files and have had both feel really weird within about 10 uses of few strokes each
In reply to Post #37
I've not seen a thinking anglers file, just a diamond pen.
Diamond files should be used wet to help prevent clogging, and cleaned off after use
A file card should bring a metal file back to life, hook coatings really are a bitch for clogging tho.
If they are dead, have a look at vallorbe files as they specialise in them, I use an 8 inch fine version, this is probably a fair bit coarser than a jewellers file, it shapes the hook quickly but care is needed to avoid the very point. A 6 inch fine cut will be finer and more tackle box friendy I then finish off with a nagura stone to give an ultra sharp, highly polished point which resists rust longer than if you use a coarser abrasive
I've not seen a thinking anglers file, just a diamond pen.
Diamond files should be used wet to help prevent clogging, and cleaned off after use
A file card should bring a metal file back to life, hook coatings really are a bitch for clogging tho.
If they are dead, have a look at vallorbe files as they specialise in them, I use an 8 inch fine version, this is probably a fair bit coarser than a jewellers file, it shapes the hook quickly but care is needed to avoid the very point. A 6 inch fine cut will be finer and more tackle box friendy I then finish off with a nagura stone to give an ultra sharp, highly polished point which resists rust longer than if you use a coarser abrasive
In reply to Post #38
Cheers mate will see if I can unclog them and the use wet
Cheers mate will see if I can unclog them and the use wet
In reply to Post #39
That's just for diamond, not for steel files!
That's just for diamond, not for steel files!
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Ok
Ok
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