I want to try making BM1. I bought some lamlac. Would this be ok ? OR should I have bought vitamelo?
In reply to Post #1
I don't think there's much between them pal. WPC 80 is my preferred milk but is a lot more expensive.
I don't think there's much between them pal. WPC 80 is my preferred milk but is a lot more expensive.
In reply to Post #1
It's ok
It's ok
In reply to Post #3
Thanks for your replies, gives me more confidence I won't be wasting time.
Cheers.
Thanks for your replies, gives me more confidence I won't be wasting time.
Cheers.
In reply to Post #4
Lamlac is great stuff, I love using it in a bait. Granted it may not be as high a quality as refined caseins etc but it has a lovely sweet, creamy profile
Lamlac is great stuff, I love using it in a bait. Granted it may not be as high a quality as refined caseins etc but it has a lovely sweet, creamy profile
In reply to Post #2
I noticed the protein content in WP 80 is about 80 %. What would the protein content of Lamac be ? and does it really make a difference ?
I noticed the protein content in WP 80 is about 80 %. What would the protein content of Lamac be ? and does it really make a difference ?
In reply to Post #6
It's around 18-22%
Lamlacs biggest floor to me is fat content. When combined with other Ingrediants like soya The fat content can start creeping up.
Lamlac is absolutely fine to use. Whey80 has better binding properties and a better amino profile. Less fat and higher protein.
It's around 18-22%
Lamlacs biggest floor to me is fat content. When combined with other Ingrediants like soya The fat content can start creeping up.
Lamlac is absolutely fine to use. Whey80 has better binding properties and a better amino profile. Less fat and higher protein.
In reply to Post #5
Think I will be happy using the Lamlac , but I also noticed the WP 80 can harden baits up. Would Lamlac do a similar thing ? just for future reference !
Think I will be happy using the Lamlac , but I also noticed the WP 80 can harden baits up. Would Lamlac do a similar thing ? just for future reference !
In reply to Post #8
Never noticed lamlac firming baits. Can make it sticky like other milks but with Ingrediants like semo or CLO this can be overcome.
Never noticed lamlac firming baits. Can make it sticky like other milks but with Ingrediants like semo or CLO this can be overcome.
In reply to Post #1
Found this:
Edit, look a bit messy after copy/paste but 24% protein and 24% fats.
Product Name: Lamlac Freeflow
Product Type: Complete Milk Replacer for Lambs
Presentation: A free-flowing pale cream coloured powder with a creamy/vanilla aroma.
Composition: A spray dried product consisting of ultrafiltrated whey protein concentrate, a
blend of vegetable and coconut oil, cereals grain products and by-products,
organic acid, vitamins, minerals and d,l-methionine. Volac milk replacers do
not contain any bovine or ovine fat, bone, meat or blood products.
Analysis: Oil
Protein
Fibre
Ash
Moisture
Vitamin A
Vitamin D3
Vitamin E
Selenium
Copper
24.0%
24.0%
Nil
7.5%
5.0%
50.00 iu/kg
6,000 iu/kg
100 iu/kg
0.2 mg/kg
3mg/kg (none added)
(Max)
Other added vitamins and trace elements include: Vitamin K, Nicotinic Acid,
Pantothenic Acid, Vitamins B1, B2, B6, B12(non-GM), C, Biotin, Cobalt,
Magnesium, Iodine, Iron, Manganese, Zinc.
Found this:
Edit, look a bit messy after copy/paste but 24% protein and 24% fats.
Product Name: Lamlac Freeflow
Product Type: Complete Milk Replacer for Lambs
Presentation: A free-flowing pale cream coloured powder with a creamy/vanilla aroma.
Composition: A spray dried product consisting of ultrafiltrated whey protein concentrate, a
blend of vegetable and coconut oil, cereals grain products and by-products,
organic acid, vitamins, minerals and d,l-methionine. Volac milk replacers do
not contain any bovine or ovine fat, bone, meat or blood products.
Analysis: Oil
Protein
Fibre
Ash
Moisture
Vitamin A
Vitamin D3
Vitamin E
Selenium
Copper
24.0%
24.0%
Nil
7.5%
5.0%
50.00 iu/kg
6,000 iu/kg
100 iu/kg
0.2 mg/kg
3mg/kg (none added)
(Max)
Other added vitamins and trace elements include: Vitamin K, Nicotinic Acid,
Pantothenic Acid, Vitamins B1, B2, B6, B12(non-GM), C, Biotin, Cobalt,
Magnesium, Iodine, Iron, Manganese, Zinc.
In reply to Post #7
I can see a high fat content being a problem in winter if it locks up the bait so attractors don't escape. However in high summer I think it may be an advantage.
I can see a high fat content being a problem in winter if it locks up the bait so attractors don't escape. However in high summer I think it may be an advantage.
In reply to Post #11
So, to make the bait attractive in winter, what would you use ?
So, to make the bait attractive in winter, what would you use ?
In reply to Post #12
I suppose the easiest thing to do with this mix would be to reduce the lamlac % and increase the semolina and maize gold to compensate.
Is the lamlac that much higher in oil/ fat than vitamealo to make a real difference? I've checked the specs and lamlac has 4% more oil content. A slight tweak if you really think it is important. In depths of winter maybe. In summer I wouldn't worry about it at all.
I suppose the easiest thing to do with this mix would be to reduce the lamlac % and increase the semolina and maize gold to compensate.
Is the lamlac that much higher in oil/ fat than vitamealo to make a real difference? I've checked the specs and lamlac has 4% more oil content. A slight tweak if you really think it is important. In depths of winter maybe. In summer I wouldn't worry about it at all.
In reply to Post #13
I agree summer won't matter as much or at all. To a high a level Will make a bait go soft fairly quickly also in warm water. Again not an issue in the right situation.
I agree summer won't matter as much or at all. To a high a level Will make a bait go soft fairly quickly also in warm water. Again not an issue in the right situation.
In reply to Post #12
Substitute the Calf milk for skimmed milk powder if you believe in fats being a problem in winter that is.
Every other animal seeks fats in the colder temperatures as they are the most efficient energy source. Carbs being a poor 3rd behind lipids and protein. Just a thought!
Substitute the Calf milk for skimmed milk powder if you believe in fats being a problem in winter that is.
Every other animal seeks fats in the colder temperatures as they are the most efficient energy source. Carbs being a poor 3rd behind lipids and protein. Just a thought!
In reply to Post #15
In my experience the calf/lamb milk replacers are much more attractive to fish than skimmed milk powder. (on their own)
Why I don't know but many contains stuff like hydrolysed wheat and the flavours added may play a part.
In my experience the calf/lamb milk replacers are much more attractive to fish than skimmed milk powder. (on their own)
Why I don't know but many contains stuff like hydrolysed wheat and the flavours added may play a part.
In reply to Post #15
How do you make a high fat bait exude attraction in cold water? I'm talking about boiled baits not paste baits.
How do you make a high fat bait exude attraction in cold water? I'm talking about boiled baits not paste baits.
In reply to Post #17
Fats in baits will never exude attraction. Their polarity in water or verses water will not allow this & only allow a vertical column to emit. The use of lecithin does not make fats water soluble merely making the globules smaller. yet the issues still remain even in warm water. I would argue however, as to the inherent attraction and the distance of attraction emitting from standard bird foods in water also?
Trust me when i say that carp will and do eat fish meals, calf milks and high fat milks in the depths of winter. There are several reasons they are not advocated or used by bait companies and these are both price and shelf life orientated. Who wants to put an all singing and dancing ball of costly milk protein out there which does not keep very well when you can put a ball of birdfood and semolina out there for the same price?
However, back to your question. Water temperatures very rarely match those of the winters we used to have. Eggs themselves are full of fat but also have fantastic emulsification capabilities too. Pre soaking in warm water will open up ANY boilie regardless of its make up. There is always a way. Also hydrolysing milks will work brilliantly. Just add this as a soak also with some hot water overnight. It just takes a little thought.
Fats in baits will never exude attraction. Their polarity in water or verses water will not allow this & only allow a vertical column to emit. The use of lecithin does not make fats water soluble merely making the globules smaller. yet the issues still remain even in warm water. I would argue however, as to the inherent attraction and the distance of attraction emitting from standard bird foods in water also?
Trust me when i say that carp will and do eat fish meals, calf milks and high fat milks in the depths of winter. There are several reasons they are not advocated or used by bait companies and these are both price and shelf life orientated. Who wants to put an all singing and dancing ball of costly milk protein out there which does not keep very well when you can put a ball of birdfood and semolina out there for the same price?
However, back to your question. Water temperatures very rarely match those of the winters we used to have. Eggs themselves are full of fat but also have fantastic emulsification capabilities too. Pre soaking in warm water will open up ANY boilie regardless of its make up. There is always a way. Also hydrolysing milks will work brilliantly. Just add this as a soak also with some hot water overnight. It just takes a little thought.
In reply to Post #18
Thanks i will look into it. I know I'm going to regret going down this rabbit hole.
Thanks i will look into it. I know I'm going to regret going down this rabbit hole.
In reply to Post #18
All very interesting and scientific to me! Which hydrolised milk protein would be good ?
All very interesting and scientific to me! Which hydrolised milk protein would be good ?
In reply to Post #18
Would soaking boilies in warmed up condensed milk work in winter or babies milk powder ?
Would soaking boilies in warmed up condensed milk work in winter or babies milk powder ?
In reply to Post #21
It's not as much as it working but more about you putting it in an area that will work. Soaking baits in water mixed with condensed milk will be absolute fine and hot water can speed up the release of attractors thus helping.
It's not as much as it working but more about you putting it in an area that will work. Soaking baits in water mixed with condensed milk will be absolute fine and hot water can speed up the release of attractors thus helping.
In reply to Post #21
Have a look on YouTube for Adam Pennings vids ...that's one of his things along with Baileys Irish Cream...
Have a look on YouTube for Adam Pennings vids ...that's one of his things along with Baileys Irish Cream...
In reply to Post #1
can you use lamlac to replace an amount of semo / maize flour as a binder in a bait?
as a thought to improve the current mix im using which only has 4 powdered components
can you use lamlac to replace an amount of semo / maize flour as a binder in a bait?
as a thought to improve the current mix im using which only has 4 powdered components
In reply to Post #23
Yea , get them pissed so they lower there guard. Good thinking. Lol ...I will have a look out for those vids. Thanks.
Yea , get them pissed so they lower there guard. Good thinking. Lol
...I will have a look out for those vids. Thanks.
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In reply to Post #24
Probably can add it but depends on the other ingredients and the quantity of each you use
Probably can add it but depends on the other ingredients and the quantity of each you use
In reply to Post #19
Let us also not forget to include the pulling power of certain inverted sugars especially when heated up.......
Golden syrup
Sweet Corn syrup and a couple of others are great attractors and also make a great base coat for when coating & pimping Hook baits. A nice sticky coating that practically everything adheres to making powdered layering very effective
Nothing whatsoever to do with Lamlac , just an aside after thought. Apologies..
Let us also not forget to include the pulling power of certain inverted sugars especially when heated up.......
Golden syrup
Sweet Corn syrup and a couple of others are great attractors and also make a great base coat for when coating & pimping Hook baits. A nice sticky coating that practically everything adheres to making powdered layering very effective
Nothing whatsoever to do with Lamlac , just an aside after thought. Apologies..
In reply to Post #28
Think I will try this in winter, sounds very tasty, coated caremlised boilies.
Think I will try this in winter, sounds very tasty, coated caremlised boilies.
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