I am missing your point? The jag camera adaptor and spirit level is £11.99 not £65 so yeah a bit more expensive that the £2.99 adaption you have suggested yes there is Carp tax etc you do get a spirit level as well. What am I missing here?


You can purchase an adaptor at £1.50 Gardner's is £3.99 and their adjustable one at £11.99.

Seems to me that you have issues.

In reply to Post #14
My point is that for a bankstick and presumably a threaded adapter its £65. Sorry that's right, they throw in a spirit level. Bargain of the century.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAG-Self-Take-Camera-Stick-NEW-Carp-Fishing-Camera-Accessories-Bank-Stick-/233880598091?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286

Guess it depends on how someone justify things, it's compact in size does the job which could be done for a lot less agreed. I'm happy with a £12 tripod, it's a little bulky but serves a purpose.

In reply to Post #15
Thou doth protest too much

You know you'll get one when you get over the shock

I don't get why your upset about the price of this but were happy to spend that on three butt rests, then spend another 60 for an accessory to grip the rods

What do we want? British made tackle
When do we want it? When it costs the same as Chinese tat

Was a thread about this when it first came out. Silly money. But people kept saying what good value it is I'm sorry but if you think this is good value you've eaten far too many crayons

Alternatively if Jag pull them from their range you might get it from the bay at £150

If it's a little rich for you don't buy it as with a lot of things in life there are cheap & expensive versions that do exactly the same thing 🤷‍♂️

In reply to Post #21
And then taking the piss versions

In reply to Post #22
For £65 you could get a carbon tri pod however it looks so much more carpy if it's bodged correctly.

The Jag camera stick is a good idea but completely impractical....once it is screwed into position that's it, you can't unscrew it and re-screw it a foot or so to the left/right if the shot is not quite right whilst you have a fish on the mat....with a tripod it is a 2 second job to move.....

offers nothing to improve self takes over a tripod......so for that reason, I'm out.

Nobody has said they're not expensive but I think people are missing the point, those cheap adaptors aren't stainless steel and everything but the screw point has had to be designed and machined for the jag stick.
Everyone has an opinion but until you can personally make something better or an equivalent that you can sell cheaper for a profit, then it actually is good value when you consider the tooling, materials and skill you don't possess.
I've spent more on spirit levels with a lot less engineering and didn't question it
Not that I want one, but I think it's a fair price considering some of the **** I see people buying.

It's the same old argument I see time and time again. Someone comes onto every new jag product thread and slags off the price and claims it can be done cheaper. So what. Buy it cheaper then. You don't see many people slagging off the materials, the build quality, the after sales, the fact that it's uk made etc etc.

If it's not for you then fine. But it is for a lot of people. I remember plenty saying that the camera sticks will never sell, well guess what, they sold out and they had to do another production run. Oh and the korda distance sticks, apparently they are too expensive. Guess what they sold out, then the next run sold out, then the run after that etc etc. Now the catapult. People slagging it off before they've even seen it, but guess what, the initial run is nearly sold out on preorders alone and it ain't even in the shops yet.

Jag stuff is expensive. It's hand made in the uk. It's been expensive for fifteen years. What's your point? If you don't want to buy it then use an alternative. There's plenty of cheap Chinese tat out there. Take your pick.

In reply to Post #26
You could say that about anything. Just because baitroom will sell out straight away at £40 a tub doesn't make it good value.

In reply to Post #27
It's a non argument though isn't it. I can go to Tesco metro and buy a loaf of bread for a pound. I can go to M&S and buy a loaf of bread for £4. Do you picket the doors of M&S every time they release a new bread roll cos it's not value for money?

I drove past a Mercedes dealership last week. I didn't see a single Dacia owner outside shouting at Mercedes drivers that their car also has four wheels and a steering wheel.

In reply to Post #28
Yep your 💯 right. You can't compare Dacia to Mercedes

In reply to Post #28
Hang on the bread in M&S is ****ing good bread.

In reply to Post #30
But is it good value?

This argument isn't about whether you prefer it. If about whether you can buy a cheaper alternative made by someone else.

If its to expensive then dont buy it its thats simple. I own loads of jag gear and dont mind paying the premium as it bloody good gear so i think its worth it personally.

In reply to Post #17
That's absolutely right. The lockdowns with the release button are quite a unique product and I haven't seen anything else like them or certainly something that will do the same job at 15% of its price.

My point is I bought the MOD camera adapter thread for £2.99 add a good quality bankstick and it's what? £10-£15 tops?? Does the same thing and will last ages and I'm not saying JAG gear is pants, I like it, but personally £65 is taking the ***.

I nearly pressed buy on one, then paused and thought to myself are you nuts?

Value for money? Not for me and that was my point.

In reply to Post #26
I have owned obelisk, solar, cygnet and JAG in the last 20 years. Of the 4 makes of stuff I only had issues with one falling apart. Thats was the JAG unfortunately. Credit where its due there after sales was absolutely spot on, no questions, immediate replacement. I had a friend, exactly the same issue. So lets have some balance. I suspect the stainless is superb build quality (I have never owned any) but I can get cygnet black ally gear that lasts years for a fraction of the price wheras my pro-lite black bankstick failed at the glue joint on its 2nd outing. Hopefully they sort it out as I try and support UK based business wherever I can.

In reply to Post #33
If you look at some of the chinese tat thats available these days at premium prices then its is value for money for a precision uk made bit of kit. The cnc machines that they use to make these things are hundreds of thousands of pounds. There not made by kim dong chow on his peddle powered lathe in some chinese sweat shop.

In reply to Post #35
To be fair I've been out for dinner with them and those guys can put away a lot of Chinese food I can tell you.

In reply to Post #33
If you look at the price of the 20 inch excavator bankstick plus a camera adaptor, you'd have to say they are pulling your pants down with the cost of the bank sticks if you think that about the camera stick.

I ended up making my own bankstick adaptor as none of the ones available did what I want

In reply to Post #31
Well it's not £4 and yes it's good value imo and that's the crux's of it. Good value is of cause opinion based. I recall getting a Bivvy Matt when they first came out, at the time people suggested alternatives and how over priced they where. For me £20 was fine and when there is frost on the boards I fish it soon takes place by my rods preventing me from breaking my neck on the odd occasion.

£65 isn't a shocking cost for the camera stand yes an alternative system can be put together for a third of the price if one so wishes to do so.

In reply to Post #28
I wouldn't put Jag at Mercedes level to be honest, (I don't think anyone is regarding bankware to be honest) more like Ford, reasonably sound and reliable but can be overpriced for what it is.........they are becoming like Cotswold Aquarius and people are slowly waking up to the fact that they aint all that!

I had the 2 plus one bars and had constant problems with the levers either over-tightening or becoming slack and had an alan key permanently in my kit bag!

In reply to Post #39
Becasue you didn't buy the £22 jag tightening tool.

In reply to Post #40

In reply to Post #39
I'd call it an insult to Jag if you put them at Merc level. Quite funny about you saying Cotswold is overrated and then mention the most overrated car manufacturer in Merc!!

In reply to Post #42
I didn't actually use Mercedes as the comparison but take your pick for the analogy, BMW, Audi.....

In reply to Post #43
Yep, both just as overrated!

In reply to Post #44
Not strictly true

In reply to Post #45
Very true imo

In reply to Post #46
Opinions are overrated

In reply to Post #46
Go on then, what would you put above Merc, BMW & Audi for "mainstream" higher end motors???

In reply to Post #48
Wouldn't call any of them higher end Tbh other than the price tag . The quality of yesteryear from those makers is long gone, it was well on its way back in the late 90s when I was still in the trade, Merc especially. Cars are all much of a muchness these days, some of the "lower end" manufacturers are just as reliable if not more so than the "big names". My brother has just bought one of the Kia mpv things and I laughed my ass off at him until I actually saw it. What a motor . And for a way lower price than most of its competiton. It's very much like your comment about Cotswold Aquarius, people buy for the name and not the product on offer

In reply to Post #49
That's more the case that lower end cars have upped there game. Kia Skoda etc. It's not just about reliability it's also about the quality of the end product

In reply to Post #50
Actually Skoda weren't bad cars back before vag group took over, it was at a Skoda garage I started my apprenticeship. If anything they've now gone the other way and are expensive and not so reliable. Surely the quality of a product is primarily it's reliability,no?

In reply to Post #51
I think half the reliability problems nowadays is people using diesel for short journeys and the dreaded dpf. To many people choose the wrong car.

In reply to Post #52
That might explain it for diesels ,but they are in the minority

In reply to Post #53
I seem to hear more and more about small petrol engine troubles now. Hardly surprising when they whack a big turbo on small engines. A lot of manufacturers are suffering the same problems

Only on this forum could you go from a stick to hold your camera to a debate about quality of cars

In reply to Post #55
We have dragged this slightly off topic. Sorry to the op

In reply to Post #56
Haven't we sorry op

In reply to Post #48
Kia

In reply to Post #48

You can see where JAG come in the car manufacturer ratings below. 7 of the top 10 are Far Eastern tat, Germans don't do quite so well.....😉

Rank Brand Score
1. Lexus 98.7%
2. Mitsubishi 97.9%
3. Toyota 97.7%
4. Mini 96.8%
5. Skoda 96.4%
6. Hyundai 96.3%
7. Kia 95.9%
8. Honda 95.3%
=9. BMW 95.2%
=9 Mazda 95.2%
11. Alfa Romeo 94.6%
=12. Fiat 94.5%
=12. JAG 94.5%
=12. Subaru 94.5%
=14. Dacia 94.4%
=14. Suzuki 94.4%
=16. Citroën 93.8%
=16. Volvo 93.8%
18. Ford 93.7%
19. Seat 93.6%
20. Volkswagen 93.2%
21. Jaguar 91.8%
=22. Audi 91.5%
=22. MG 91.5%
=22. Porsche 91.5%
25. Peugeot 91.1%
26. Mercedes 91.0%
=27. Nissan 90.1%
=27. Vauxhall 90.1%
29. Tesla 88.6%
30. Renault 87.6%
31. Land Rover 78.2%

In reply to Post #59
😂


Mini as in the BMW owned Junk of a car.

In reply to Post #59
That's it....a 91% customer satisfaction rating is just not good enough, selling my Merc tomorrow....

I bought a new Land Rover years ago. At the time it cost me a small fortune. Was the worst vehicle I've ever owned. It had so many returns for faults that after 18 months I chucked in the towel. Sold it. Paid off the finance and lost a load of money.

A close run second was a new Citroen dispatch van I bought when they did the newer face lifted addition. Utter utter garbage. For commercial vehicles I'd always had fords but fancied a change. Never again. Went back to fords. Boring, unfashionable but every one I've owned has been bombproof. Last one literally driven to destruction. 176,000 miles on the original clutch.

Sorry to revert back.
I have been looking at the Jag Selfie stick instead of purchasing a tripod. Before I do, can any one recommend small compact tripod.

In reply to Post #63
I use the Hama star 75 tripod

In reply to Post #31
It's yet more overpriced tatt from JAG. You could buy a decent tripod all singing and dancing for a heck of a lot less. Oh, b b but muh British manufacturers.

In reply to Post #63
18 inches folded, 1.2kgs

There is a smaller lighter version as an option but it looks pony
The images aren't that clear as to what head you get, if it's the one lower down the page you'd save maybe 300 grammes and 2 inches by just using a qr clamp instead of the head

I prefer a bankstick tho

In reply to Post #60
Yeah, but it's basically the same car it was 25yrs ago, so they've managed to get it to work now.

Plus it's only 18yr old girls or mid life crisis women's that own them, so their opinion doesn't count 😂

In reply to Post #63
THIS used to get good praise on here a while back, I think it might have been oldgeezer, not sure if it's suitable for a camera though

In reply to Post #61
Reliability, not satisfaction (that's way lower for Merc)

What do they say about the stages of grief? Denial, anger....... 😂

In reply to Post #67
It's far worse a plastic motor that melts

But which car would you take a photo of using a Jag stick given then chance?!

In reply to Post #71
2CV