So the government is to bring in the Animal Sentient Bill.
Basically, the definition is any animal with a backbone is to be protected against cruelty.
Interesting times ahead for our sport.
Basically, the definition is any animal with a backbone is to be protected against cruelty.
Interesting times ahead for our sport.
In reply to Post #1
All aspects of life not just angling farming zoos pharmaceutical etc
All aspects of life not just angling farming zoos pharmaceutical etc
In reply to Post #2
Agreed, not just angling but that was were my focus in the post lays
Agreed, not just angling but that was were my focus in the post lays
This came to my attention a while ago.
The bill also proposes the banning of glue traps for vermin.
More wokery from Gov. and I am far from convinced that that Nut Nut is not a driving factor behind the fat oaf's policies.
The bill also proposes the banning of glue traps for vermin.
More wokery from Gov. and I am far from convinced that that Nut Nut is not a driving factor behind the fat oaf's policies.
Ironic. Seeing as plenty of the people making these woke suggestions don't have a backbone themselves
If not wanting animals to be subject to cruelty is woke, sign me up
They won't ban fishing, the revenue is too high. But a limit on stock density would surely be welcome?
They won't ban fishing, the revenue is too high. But a limit on stock density would surely be welcome?
I'm not a bit surprised...
I note several other green agenda based bills have suddenly appeared,from no where..some are now saying that Covid is the smokescreen to divert attention from some of these potential new laws or freedom removers..
I look on the government website sometimes..
I note several other green agenda based bills have suddenly appeared,from no where..some are now saying that Covid is the smokescreen to divert attention from some of these potential new laws or freedom removers..
I look on the government website sometimes..
In reply to Post #6
Couldn't agree more. The commercial management of fisheries is what is putting our neck in the noose.
Nobody of any importance will be hurt if angling is banned, they would sell their children for votes.
Couldn't agree more. The commercial management of fisheries is what is putting our neck in the noose.
Nobody of any importance will be hurt if angling is banned, they would sell their children for votes.
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In reply to Post #6
Yep - got to love that carp forum hypocrisy
Man drops big fish and breaks it's tail off - outrage!
Law to protect animals from cruel practice - outrage!
As said - fishing won't be banned. Maybe some more guidelines to abide by which won't be all bad.
Yep - got to love that carp forum hypocrisy
Man drops big fish and breaks it's tail off - outrage!
Law to protect animals from cruel practice - outrage!
As said - fishing won't be banned. Maybe some more guidelines to abide by which won't be all bad.
In reply to Post #10
Maybe I am actually woke myself if I sympathise?... no time to think about it, I have a vegan dhal to finish before I go and perform some modern dance and stage a sit in outside McDonald's
Maybe I am actually woke myself if I sympathise?... no time to think about it, I have a vegan dhal to finish before I go and perform some modern dance and stage a sit in outside McDonald's
In reply to Post #11
I knew it... from the moment I set eyes on you I thought “ ****ing leftie “
I knew it... from the moment I set eyes on you I thought “ ****ing leftie “
In reply to Post #12
I only sold that reel so I could afford some vegan shoes
I only sold that reel so I could afford some vegan shoes
In reply to Post #13
What did they taste like ?
What did they taste like ?
In reply to Post #14
Chicken
Chicken
In reply to Post #1
"No I don't fish for Carp mate..... im fishing for Crabs.
But if a Carp just so happens to take my bait i will just have to land it, weigh it, photograph it and slip it back!!!"
"No I don't fish for Carp mate..... im fishing for Crabs.
But if a Carp just so happens to take my bait i will just have to land it, weigh it, photograph it and slip it back!!!"
In reply to Post #10
"Law to protect animals from cruel practice - outrage!"
Wheres the outrage on this forum eh?
Purely a conversation topic, thats all.
Your typical leftie gibberage nonsense is pathetic
"Law to protect animals from cruel practice - outrage!"
Wheres the outrage on this forum eh?
Purely a conversation topic, thats all.
Your typical leftie gibberage nonsense is pathetic
Bring back Wasp.
In reply to Post #18
Doesn't cover wasps, they have an exoskeleton
Doesn't cover wasps, they have an exoskeleton
Were going to end up with lakes stocked with Hagfish.
In reply to Post #20
Or sharks?
Or sharks?
Hagfish and sharks have backbones All mammals, birds, fish, reptiles, lamprey and amphibians have them. All vertebrates. Going to have to be crays and crabs. Oh yes, squid and octopus OK.
In reply to Post #22
Sharks have a backbone purely on a technicality
Sharks have a backbone purely on a technicality
In reply to Post #17
I'm as far from left wing as you are from making a valid point...
I was having a laugh. Try it. It's good for the soul.
As for gibberish - it's one of a number of languages I'm fluent in. A bit like some people on here when it comes to 'right wing b*llocks' and 'total pish'
Peace and love man
I'm as far from left wing as you are from making a valid point...
I was having a laugh. Try it. It's good for the soul.
As for gibberish - it's one of a number of languages I'm fluent in. A bit like some people on here when it comes to 'right wing b*llocks' and 'total pish'
Peace and love man
In reply to Post #24
The irony is delicious
The irony is delicious
In reply to Post #1
Wait until the government discovers Octopi have the intelligence of a 3-year-old.
I'll wait for someone else to make the association between this and some forum members.
Wait until the government discovers Octopi have the intelligence of a 3-year-old.
I'll wait for someone else to make the association between this and some forum members.
In reply to Post #24
"I'm as far from left wing"
You're more confused than Scooby Doo.
"I'm as far from left wing"
You're more confused than Scooby Doo.
In reply to Post #1
Too many 'nature loving' towny greenies around, who have no real understanding of nature, and sadly they have infected government and society.
The real population who live in the country have no say in what is happening.
Look at the comments and posts on various threads, or by people like Ken T and Wandle on 'end of an era' thread.
Those who actually know and understand countryside nature are being frozen out by the 'elite'.
Too many 'nature loving' towny greenies around, who have no real understanding of nature, and sadly they have infected government and society.
The real population who live in the country have no say in what is happening.
Look at the comments and posts on various threads, or by people like Ken T and Wandle on 'end of an era' thread.
Those who actually know and understand countryside nature are being frozen out by the 'elite'.
In reply to Post #28
Hear,hear.
Hear,hear.
In reply to Post #28
Spot on Nick,you are bang on..!
I have already witnessed the destruction of the village I called home,the day Jonesys old man died was the day the village died..see,all the land got sold to a big developer,...Jonseys son,did well,got his custom Ducati and few quid in the bank,destroyed the community ...in the process,Oche Parsons land,also went same way...Fontbeam houses,estate from hell..
This IS what will happen to my area now,second homes,dull ,unfriendly stuck noses in the air,better than you types,don't speak,interact ,destroying the community,...then now the inevitable destruction of the green fields,all will get passed easily under the great big 'affordable'lie..
My advice,to anyone that will listen,from someone that eat,sleeps and lives and loves the countryside, and you have a little piece of heaven,is enjoy every second your there.,because..the green control agenda,government based etc,are controlling and destroying it very quickly..
Spot on Nick,you are bang on..!
I have already witnessed the destruction of the village I called home,the day Jonesys old man died was the day the village died..see,all the land got sold to a big developer,...Jonseys son,did well,got his custom Ducati and few quid in the bank,destroyed the community ...in the process,Oche Parsons land,also went same way...Fontbeam houses,estate from hell..
This IS what will happen to my area now,second homes,dull ,unfriendly stuck noses in the air,better than you types,don't speak,interact ,destroying the community,...then now the inevitable destruction of the green fields,all will get passed easily under the great big 'affordable'lie..
My advice,to anyone that will listen,from someone that eat,sleeps and lives and loves the countryside, and you have a little piece of heaven,is enjoy every second your there.,because..the green control agenda,government based etc,are controlling and destroying it very quickly..
In reply to Post #30
My village, an old market town, they are building a huge housing estate on top of the land where the market is. They were given planing approval based on the promice they would build a new market elsewhere for the town. Well, the new market hasnt been built yet, and it looks like their spare money is getting eaten up becasue they have just had to knock down the first lot of houses they built becaise of subsidence. The housing estate is right inbetween farm land, and the Abattoir, so you can guess whats going to happen as soon as they move in....
My village, an old market town, they are building a huge housing estate on top of the land where the market is. They were given planing approval based on the promice they would build a new market elsewhere for the town. Well, the new market hasnt been built yet, and it looks like their spare money is getting eaten up becasue they have just had to knock down the first lot of houses they built becaise of subsidence. The housing estate is right inbetween farm land, and the Abattoir, so you can guess whats going to happen as soon as they move in....
In reply to Post #30
Apparently the bill was brought in for ethical treatment of farm animals and as such I agree with it. Treat animals humanely but this encompasses everything with a back bone, so shooting, fishing etc has been pulled into this bill. But remarkably as it's mainly for the protection of livestock and other animals Halal and Kosher slaughter houses are exempt! WTF!!!
As it only covers animals with back bones it's open season on the political elite. This is not an encitement to cause harm
Apparently the bill was brought in for ethical treatment of farm animals and as such I agree with it. Treat animals humanely but this encompasses everything with a back bone, so shooting, fishing etc has been pulled into this bill. But remarkably as it's mainly for the protection of livestock and other animals Halal and Kosher slaughter houses are exempt! WTF!!!
As it only covers animals with back bones it's open season on the political elite. This is not an encitement to cause harm
In reply to Post #28
Agreed, I'm in darkest Devon
Agreed, I'm in darkest Devon
In reply to Post #6
100%
100%
In reply to Post #23
They have a fully functional spinal column, just made of cartilage, not bone. Definitely fully qualified vertebrates.
They have a fully functional spinal column, just made of cartilage, not bone. Definitely fully qualified vertebrates.
In reply to Post #35
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If it's not a backbone I'm not interested
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If it's not a backbone I'm not interested
Does this effect butchers? Halal butchers in particular. Seeing as our animal rights have gone backwards in the last 10 years not forwards in regards to how our meat is produced I wonder if this will make a difference at all..
In reply to Post #36
Customer. "This backbone is rubbery"
Waiter. "Thank you sir"
Customer. "This backbone is rubbery"
Waiter. "Thank you sir"
In reply to Post #32
As a founder member of the Cyprinid religion I fully intend to continue visiting the outdoor temple alcoves. These are situated in many locations around the world at the waters edge.
Devotees show there allegiance by offering food items to the occupants. Who if feeling that the worshiper is deserving may join them at the waters edge for a commemorative photograph.
As a founder member of the Cyprinid religion I fully intend to continue visiting the outdoor temple alcoves. These are situated in many locations around the world at the waters edge.
Devotees show there allegiance by offering food items to the occupants. Who if feeling that the worshiper is deserving may join them at the waters edge for a commemorative photograph.
In reply to Post #1
This bill is to replace an EU rule that had been in place for many years and we are no longer covered by since leaving the EU. The main news outlets reporting on this 'new' bill all seem to have missed this little 'detail' out as it probably made the story a lot less interesting
No doubt 'our 'version' of the old Article 13 will have a few twists and turns added just to make us different to the EU, having spent all that money leaving we had batter make sure we are different now
This bill is to replace an EU rule that had been in place for many years and we are no longer covered by since leaving the EU. The main news outlets reporting on this 'new' bill all seem to have missed this little 'detail' out as it probably made the story a lot less interesting
No doubt 'our 'version' of the old Article 13 will have a few twists and turns added just to make us different to the EU, having spent all that money leaving we had batter make sure we are different now
In reply to Post #10
Mal, I don't think money is the issue. Far more money involved in Hunting with both dogs and guns and look how that turned out.
We are just seen as the fellas on straw baskets sat by a canal. I think if you put it to a public vote and said the "right" things, we would be finished.
Mal, I don't think money is the issue. Far more money involved in Hunting with both dogs and guns and look how that turned out.
We are just seen as the fellas on straw baskets sat by a canal. I think if you put it to a public vote and said the "right" things, we would be finished.
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In reply to Post #30
As much as, as anglers we may dislike it, we really need to be part of the Countryside Alliance.
They put forth the case for hunting, shooting, fishing AND rural communities.
I see them doing more than the Angling Trust did. AT may have worked with them to get us to be allowed to be fishing during lockdown, (I don't know the answer).
In fact I wonder if AT and the CA should be part of one organisation...
I do know the Countryside Alliance just had a bill overturned put forward in government about gorse and heather moor burning. Labour had put in that they would not allow burning, but the CA was able to prove that controlled burning prevented major heathland fires as has happened in the North Yorkshire Moors and near Manchester.
The problem with many laws, whether animal sentient or otherwise, is that someone will use it for the wrong reasons. I can totally understand prevention of animal cruely, but we have to kill animals for food if we as a person eats meat. Yet production of chickens or their eggs, standing up in their own excrement in a shed is not illegal, even if unethical.
'Battery' pigs, that never see outside before being taken to Jeff Mallock the knackers yard...
(Anyone remember James Herriot?)
Far better now to be eating organic produce purchased from a farm shop or butcher than a supermarket.
As much as, as anglers we may dislike it, we really need to be part of the Countryside Alliance.
They put forth the case for hunting, shooting, fishing AND rural communities.
I see them doing more than the Angling Trust did. AT may have worked with them to get us to be allowed to be fishing during lockdown, (I don't know the answer).
In fact I wonder if AT and the CA should be part of one organisation...
I do know the Countryside Alliance just had a bill overturned put forward in government about gorse and heather moor burning. Labour had put in that they would not allow burning, but the CA was able to prove that controlled burning prevented major heathland fires as has happened in the North Yorkshire Moors and near Manchester.
The problem with many laws, whether animal sentient or otherwise, is that someone will use it for the wrong reasons. I can totally understand prevention of animal cruely, but we have to kill animals for food if we as a person eats meat. Yet production of chickens or their eggs, standing up in their own excrement in a shed is not illegal, even if unethical.
'Battery' pigs, that never see outside before being taken to Jeff Mallock the knackers yard...
(Anyone remember James Herriot?)
Far better now to be eating organic produce purchased from a farm shop or butcher than a supermarket.
In reply to Post #43
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist.
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist.
In reply to Post #44
People in glass houses,should never,ever throw stones..!
People in glass houses,should never,ever throw stones..!
In reply to Post #44
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist
Hmm!
Hunt saboteurs who have been recorded trespassing and threatening farmers, and drag hunters...
Some hefty sentences have just been handed out to some of these thugs...
I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with your post😉
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist
Hmm!
Hunt saboteurs who have been recorded trespassing and threatening farmers, and drag hunters...
Some hefty sentences have just been handed out to some of these thugs...
I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with your post😉
In reply to Post #44
Alpha-Male you sound like a proper Cuck
Alpha-Male you sound like a proper Cuck
In reply to Post #41
Aidey - that's a fair point.
I suppose I'd say that there's probably more support / less vitriol when it comes to us harmless blokes on wicker baskets than there is for the white jodhpur / tally ho brigade...
Plus - fishing is still regarded as a sport / pastime that's accessible for all rather than an elite upper class.
as said - I can't see a ban, maybe some guidelines. The point about this aw simply replacing the existing EU one that we'd already been working to is a good one. I expect there are a lot more of these happening.
Aidey - that's a fair point.
I suppose I'd say that there's probably more support / less vitriol when it comes to us harmless blokes on wicker baskets than there is for the white jodhpur / tally ho brigade...
Plus - fishing is still regarded as a sport / pastime that's accessible for all rather than an elite upper class.
as said - I can't see a ban, maybe some guidelines. The point about this aw simply replacing the existing EU one that we'd already been working to is a good one. I expect there are a lot more of these happening.
Folks I read a lot about appeasement from Angling Trust, refusing to speak out against issues that might be unpopular with the general public, it is the road to disaster.
The greens, the liberals, the vegans, the animal rights people, they all want angling banned, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. We should be fighting on every front against any issue that affects angling, be that otters, cormorants, alleged cruelty, the NT wacky ideas on removing carp, not picking and choosing our battles like the AT suggest.
And yes we should have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Countryside Alliance over the hunting issue.
I'm in my 60's I will probably be okay but you young guys, I feel for you, the days of fishing are numbered but we can go down fighting and you never know common sense might win out but not unless we speak out.
The greens, the liberals, the vegans, the animal rights people, they all want angling banned, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. We should be fighting on every front against any issue that affects angling, be that otters, cormorants, alleged cruelty, the NT wacky ideas on removing carp, not picking and choosing our battles like the AT suggest.
And yes we should have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Countryside Alliance over the hunting issue.
I'm in my 60's I will probably be okay but you young guys, I feel for you, the days of fishing are numbered but we can go down fighting and you never know common sense might win out but not unless we speak out.
In reply to Post #49
That's the issue, people are too scared to speak out about certain issues, the barbel society got a lot of stick for their petition, but we all know otters are a huge threat, and at least they had the bottle to speak out about the issue.
Anglers seem to think that the general public care, they dont, they have far to many important issues to care, the sooner people take that on board the better.
That's the issue, people are too scared to speak out about certain issues, the barbel society got a lot of stick for their petition, but we all know otters are a huge threat, and at least they had the bottle to speak out about the issue.
Anglers seem to think that the general public care, they dont, they have far to many important issues to care, the sooner people take that on board the better.
In reply to Post #50
I had the bottle to speak out..!! about the lutra .
I've no problem in truthing at all,I say it as it is,if people don't like it...tough..
Yep Christian is right,and sure as ,appeasement never works,nor does bot,bot,licking to whatever green minded group on that day,they are our enemies, simple as that..
Appeasement, yeah that went well,ask Neville Chamberlain..'peace in our time',..
I had the bottle to speak out..!! about the lutra .
I've no problem in truthing at all,I say it as it is,if people don't like it...tough..
Yep Christian is right,and sure as ,appeasement never works,nor does bot,bot,licking to whatever green minded group on that day,they are our enemies, simple as that..
Appeasement, yeah that went well,ask Neville Chamberlain..'peace in our time',..
In reply to Post #46
You see thuggery on both sides nick. But I'm sorry, the fox hunts will never occupy the moral high ground and yes passions run high on both sides. But to see the terrier men do what they do to these magnificent animals would leave anyone with a compassionate bone stunned by their coldness and cruelty.
Angling can learn from this, the platform needs to be how anglers are integrated into nature and encouraging it to thrive through cleaner water. Actively involved in the fight against pollution of our waterways bringing polluters to the courts. Fighting for natures spaces to thrive, wider hedgerows so raptors can hunt, etc etc etc. There's so much we can do to turn this around and bring the public onside. You are not going to do this arguing for culls etc. Work with nature not against it. I'm no tree hugger and feel angling brings more to our countryside than it takes out. But sadly there are always a few that darkens the doorway.
You see thuggery on both sides nick. But I'm sorry, the fox hunts will never occupy the moral high ground and yes passions run high on both sides. But to see the terrier men do what they do to these magnificent animals would leave anyone with a compassionate bone stunned by their coldness and cruelty.
Angling can learn from this, the platform needs to be how anglers are integrated into nature and encouraging it to thrive through cleaner water. Actively involved in the fight against pollution of our waterways bringing polluters to the courts. Fighting for natures spaces to thrive, wider hedgerows so raptors can hunt, etc etc etc. There's so much we can do to turn this around and bring the public onside. You are not going to do this arguing for culls etc. Work with nature not against it. I'm no tree hugger and feel angling brings more to our countryside than it takes out. But sadly there are always a few that darkens the doorway.
In reply to Post #52
Thats a fair reply, thank you.
I think we have many problems within fishing, countryside hunting and shooting fraternity, and either way, we are too fragmented. Fishing is split within its own 'disciplines'; match fishing, sea fishing, carp fishing, pleasure anglers (stick out a rod for silver fish, not interested in matches, but happy to catch anything) and specimen angling, specifically for big fish even fly fishing. The Angling Trust might be supposed to represent them all, but does it all of the time?
Then we have the shooting and hunting fraternity, where overpopulation of say deer, or even non-indigenous species like muntjac need to be culled, or the grouse and pheasant shooters are covered by the Countryside Alliance.
The CA do represent rural communities as well, those who live in the country, as well as these pursuits.
I must admit I am on the fence on fox hunting, foxes have become a nuisance in some areas due to overpopulation, yet the bugles and beagles of the hunts is not the nicest way to despatch a fox.
I am also on the fence regarding kosher and halal meat, how it is killed. We are supposed to kill only 'unconscious' animals for our food, yet for hundreds, even thousands of years we did it how we did it. A chase, arrow, a bullet, a knife, or whatever.
Halal meat is as it was done for thousands of years in the Arab world, a prayer to Allah (God) said for thanks, then despatched.
It is probably as cruel to catch fish from the sea before giving it the priest on our bass limit.
The main problem as I have pointed out is town greeny nature lovers have no actual knowledge of nature, or even where our food comes from. They just see it as furry or cuddly, or just as cruel. They don't see that their vegetarian or even vegan diet does still damage the environment, with foods that need to be transported across the world.
Even supermarkets are part of the problem, cheap chicken, cheap pork purchased and imported into the UK at standards and prices lower than our own UK farmers can do it for. These supermarkets also add so much water into these meats...
Thats a fair reply, thank you.
I think we have many problems within fishing, countryside hunting and shooting fraternity, and either way, we are too fragmented. Fishing is split within its own 'disciplines'; match fishing, sea fishing, carp fishing, pleasure anglers (stick out a rod for silver fish, not interested in matches, but happy to catch anything) and specimen angling, specifically for big fish even fly fishing. The Angling Trust might be supposed to represent them all, but does it all of the time?
Then we have the shooting and hunting fraternity, where overpopulation of say deer, or even non-indigenous species like muntjac need to be culled, or the grouse and pheasant shooters are covered by the Countryside Alliance.
The CA do represent rural communities as well, those who live in the country, as well as these pursuits.
I must admit I am on the fence on fox hunting, foxes have become a nuisance in some areas due to overpopulation, yet the bugles and beagles of the hunts is not the nicest way to despatch a fox.
I am also on the fence regarding kosher and halal meat, how it is killed. We are supposed to kill only 'unconscious' animals for our food, yet for hundreds, even thousands of years we did it how we did it. A chase, arrow, a bullet, a knife, or whatever.
Halal meat is as it was done for thousands of years in the Arab world, a prayer to Allah (God) said for thanks, then despatched.
It is probably as cruel to catch fish from the sea before giving it the priest on our bass limit.
The main problem as I have pointed out is town greeny nature lovers have no actual knowledge of nature, or even where our food comes from. They just see it as furry or cuddly, or just as cruel. They don't see that their vegetarian or even vegan diet does still damage the environment, with foods that need to be transported across the world.
Even supermarkets are part of the problem, cheap chicken, cheap pork purchased and imported into the UK at standards and prices lower than our own UK farmers can do it for. These supermarkets also add so much water into these meats...
In reply to Post #1
I might be wrong but I'm sure I watched a Mark Pitchers vid recently where he's fishing over near his then girlfreinds house and he mentions this as being law in parts of Europe. Something to do with only being to inflict pain of capture if its for the table so technically by putting the fish back your breaking the law....doesn't seem to be enforced much does it?
I might be wrong but I'm sure I watched a Mark Pitchers vid recently where he's fishing over near his then girlfreinds house and he mentions this as being law in parts of Europe. Something to do with only being to inflict pain of capture if its for the table so technically by putting the fish back your breaking the law....doesn't seem to be enforced much does it?
In reply to Post #54
Not until fishery owners and others in the industry realised there was money to be made. I fished a few places in Germany and some of the older anglers couldn't understand why I put them back and some weren't too happy that I did either.
Not until fishery owners and others in the industry realised there was money to be made. I fished a few places in Germany and some of the older anglers couldn't understand why I put them back and some weren't too happy that I did either.
In reply to Post #55
I think it's Germany or Austria where his Girlfriend lives as it happens
I think it's Germany or Austria where his Girlfriend lives as it happens
Mmmm. Interesting.
John Tosh has put a video on You Tube regarding a new policy change that he claims could be the end of angling videos on there. I can't get a link or whatever for it up on here for some reason, maybe someone who knows what they are doing will be kind enough ta.
John Tosh has put a video on You Tube regarding a new policy change that he claims could be the end of angling videos on there. I can't get a link or whatever for it up on here for some reason, maybe someone who knows what they are doing will be kind enough ta.
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