As per title looking for a liver hydro supplier, a search on the forum suggests beef liver is best.
I have used the baf liver previously although I know this doesn't state the origin.
It is out of stock anyway, so thought I would ask the question.
Regards Tom.
I have used the baf liver previously although I know this doesn't state the origin.
It is out of stock anyway, so thought I would ask the question.
Regards Tom.
In reply to Post #1
Can't help with your main question but can tell you the baf one is chicken
Can't help with your main question but can tell you the baf one is chicken
In reply to Post #2
Thanks Deano, failing a beef hydro a reputable supplier of simply, liver hydro will be my next best bet as both feedstim (who seem to have discontinued the goose liver) and baf were my previous purchases.
Thanks Tom.
Thanks Deano, failing a beef hydro a reputable supplier of simply, liver hydro will be my next best bet as both feedstim (who seem to have discontinued the goose liver) and baf were my previous purchases.
Thanks Tom.
In reply to Post #3
Have you considered the other option of Beef Liver powder and a protease?
I think you will struggle to find a Beef Liver hydro powder unless you are approaching pharma firms, and you will be looking at way in excess of £100 per kilo I'm afraid.
Have you considered the other option of Beef Liver powder and a protease?
I think you will struggle to find a Beef Liver hydro powder unless you are approaching pharma firms, and you will be looking at way in excess of £100 per kilo I'm afraid.
In reply to Post #4
Thanks I hadn't considered that, I have garnered a limited knowledge on bait in the last few years.
And during that time found myself going round in circles with relation to ingredients and ratios etc,
Even that sent me down all sorts of rabbit holes 😝.
Enzymes are another level entirely.
So earlier in the year I just decided to stick to the old school ratios of 50% fishmeal, 25% birdfood and 25% milk.
Add a couple of hydros, bring some ingredients forward in terms of development and not deviate too much from there.
Tom.
Thanks I hadn't considered that, I have garnered a limited knowledge on bait in the last few years.
And during that time found myself going round in circles with relation to ingredients and ratios etc,
Even that sent me down all sorts of rabbit holes 😝.
Enzymes are another level entirely.
So earlier in the year I just decided to stick to the old school ratios of 50% fishmeal, 25% birdfood and 25% milk.
Add a couple of hydros, bring some ingredients forward in terms of development and not deviate too much from there.
Tom.
In reply to Post #5
Somehow failed to include that I would be looking for both a liquid and a powder 😅.
Somehow failed to include that I would be looking for both a liquid and a powder 😅.
In reply to Post #4
Have you considered the other option of Beef Liver powder and a protease?
Done that afew years ago, with pureed fresh beef liver @50*C/2hrs
Made me puke 
Have you considered the other option of Beef Liver powder and a protease?
Done that afew years ago, with pureed fresh beef liver @50*C/2hrs
Made me puke
In reply to Post #1
Although i cant vouch for any beef liver products, the baf powder and liquid liver are excellent 👍 as far as i can see the sticky baits liquid liver is the same as baf's too.
Although i cant vouch for any beef liver products, the baf powder and liquid liver are excellent 👍 as far as i can see the sticky baits liquid liver is the same as baf's too.
In reply to Post #8
Thanks everyone 😃.
Thanks everyone 😃.
In reply to Post #1
I also read somewhere that beef is something carp can't digest. Anyone heard/read that too?
I also read somewhere that beef is something carp can't digest. Anyone heard/read that too?
In regards to a beef liver powder. Many years ago I tried the Now foods Argentine beef liver powder, testing results were inconclusive at the time though. So, in the end dropped the liver, went back to a high level of a GLME product supplied by Trade Ingredients at the time.
In reply to Post #11
And, satisfying results on the GLM?
And, satisfying results on the GLM?
In reply to Post #10
Beef proteins are not easy to digest. We have an acidic digestive system that can break them down. Carp don't even have a stomach let alone acid. However a hydro is predigested to some extent so the aa chains should be shorter and some aa available as free aa
Beef proteins are not easy to digest. We have an acidic digestive system that can break them down. Carp don't even have a stomach let alone acid. However a hydro is predigested to some extent so the aa chains should be shorter and some aa available as free aa
In reply to Post #13
Am I understanding you correctly in saying beef is not a bad option, but better options are available?
Am I understanding you correctly in saying beef is not a bad option, but better options are available?
In reply to Post #13
Isn´t the liver product´s inclusion, just there to enhance palatability and intake, and not a major source of free AAs
Isn´t the liver product´s inclusion, just there to enhance palatability and intake, and not a major source of free AAs
In reply to Post #15
I was answering the question about digestability. Most liver in bait is pig derived I think
Palatability and attraction are two different things to us but act together under water. Very difficult to have one without the other unless you start adding loads of free AAs to your bait
I was answering the question about digestability. Most liver in bait is pig derived I think
Palatability and attraction are two different things to us but act together under water. Very difficult to have one without the other unless you start adding loads of free AAs to your bait
In reply to Post #14
Never tried beef hydro so can't say.
Never tried beef hydro so can't say.
In reply to Post #17
Been using Sticky´s Liver Hydro, and to be honest, haven´t noticed any positive changes. Then again. that´s probably not down to the product itself, but mix as a whole. Dunno whether Sticky´s stuff is beef, swine or poultry.
Been using Sticky´s Liver Hydro, and to be honest, haven´t noticed any positive changes. Then again. that´s probably not down to the product itself, but mix as a whole. Dunno whether Sticky´s stuff is beef, swine or poultry.
In reply to Post #18
Seems to be exactly the same as baf's which im sure ive read is poultry. I may be wrong but i presume sticky buy it from baf because i cant see or smell a difference, not sure about taste because i doubt i could stomach that
Seems to be exactly the same as baf's which im sure ive read is poultry. I may be wrong but i presume sticky buy it from baf because i cant see or smell a difference, not sure about taste because i doubt i could stomach that
In reply to Post #19
i doubt very much that Sticky buy anything from BAF. lol
i doubt very much that Sticky buy anything from BAF. lol
In reply to Post #19
Isn't poultry liver a waste by product. Bait companies should be paid to take that away
Isn't poultry liver a waste by product. Bait companies should be paid to take that away
In reply to Post #12
I did believe this particular GLME product made a difference at the time, on the venue I was fishing. Although, I'm going back well over a decade or more now, to when GLM was the buzz word in bait making lol. Seemed to combine well with oyster extract and JB plum.
I did believe this particular GLME product made a difference at the time, on the venue I was fishing. Although, I'm going back well over a decade or more now, to when GLM was the buzz word in bait making lol. Seemed to combine well with oyster extract and JB plum.
In reply to Post #20
Why's that? Lol
Why's that? Lol
In reply to Post #20
Sticky likely have the own equipment and suppliers but BAF Are a fantastic company to deal With and everything I've used has been top quality.
Sticky likely have the own equipment and suppliers but BAF Are a fantastic company to deal With and everything I've used has been top quality.
In reply to Post #24
I did not mean to suggest that there was anything wrong with BAF's products ,just that that Sticky would not buy from them they will have their own suppliers for their ingredients.
I did not mean to suggest that there was anything wrong with BAF's products ,just that that Sticky would not buy from them they will have their own suppliers for their ingredients.
In reply to Post #25
wouldnt put my money on that.
wouldnt put my money on that.
In reply to Post #26
Me neither.
Feedstim also uses BAF as suplier of certain powders and liquids
Me neither.
Feedstim also uses BAF as suplier of certain powders and liquids
In reply to Post #1
BAF apparently will be selling a BEEF LIVER HYDROLYSATE in the new year..
BAF apparently will be selling a BEEF LIVER HYDROLYSATE in the new year..
In reply to Post #28
The OP is looking for a beef LIVER hydro!
Very different from beef hydro, which is not great
Seems to be some confusion on this thread.
The OP is looking for a beef LIVER hydro!
Very different from beef hydro, which is not great
Seems to be some confusion on this thread.
In reply to Post #29
And thats what BAF will be selling, I missed the 'liver' in my wording, my apologies.
And thats what BAF will be selling, I missed the 'liver' in my wording, my apologies.
In reply to Post #30
Ahh interesting!
Ahh interesting!
In reply to Post #28
That will be a very interesting product!
That will be a very interesting product!
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