So in a nutshell as the title suggests does anyone make any proper milk protein baits? When i say milk protein i mean using the best quality milk basemix, various different milk proteins added in alongside some additional wizardary
I know opti baits do a really good basemix and I've thought about doing it myself but I'd make a pigs ear of it. I do also think anyone can chuck a load of ingredients together but the really good baits come from someone who understands bait and the ingredients going into the bait as well as testing it for months if not years
I can't actually find a top tier milk bait though. I can find baits that say they include various milks here and there but not the full monty. Is that because no one is actually making one due to what the bait would end up costing for us to buy? Or am I just not looking in the right place?
I'm not bothered how much the bait costs it's an itch I need to scratch and just want to give it a whirl
I know opti baits do a really good basemix and I've thought about doing it myself but I'd make a pigs ear of it. I do also think anyone can chuck a load of ingredients together but the really good baits come from someone who understands bait and the ingredients going into the bait as well as testing it for months if not years
I can't actually find a top tier milk bait though. I can find baits that say they include various milks here and there but not the full monty. Is that because no one is actually making one due to what the bait would end up costing for us to buy? Or am I just not looking in the right place?
I'm not bothered how much the bait costs it's an itch I need to scratch and just want to give it a whirl
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I think rollin baits do one called optimum and I'm sure Baitworks do one too called pro flow .......
I think rollin baits do one called optimum and I'm sure Baitworks do one too called pro flow .......
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I've played about on and off for a while with a banana milk protein bait that had five different milks in it. Whilst it's a nice bait, I'm not actually convinced in the end it offers much more than say a high quality nut bait with a decent amount of just one high quality milk added. They are a pain in the arse to get right when you're adding that much milk, cos there's a fine line between high quality boilie and ending up with pop ups! Plus I'm not convinced that carp can actually digest that much protein, so in the end are you producing a hellishly expensive bait for a marginal gain. I think I'd rather use one decent milk in a balanced bait that offers a broad spectrum of attraction rather than relying solely on milk proteins alone.
I've played about on and off for a while with a banana milk protein bait that had five different milks in it. Whilst it's a nice bait, I'm not actually convinced in the end it offers much more than say a high quality nut bait with a decent amount of just one high quality milk added. They are a pain in the arse to get right when you're adding that much milk, cos there's a fine line between high quality boilie and ending up with pop ups! Plus I'm not convinced that carp can actually digest that much protein, so in the end are you producing a hellishly expensive bait for a marginal gain. I think I'd rather use one decent milk in a balanced bait that offers a broad spectrum of attraction rather than relying solely on milk proteins alone.
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The optimum is a funny one. It was what I sort of expect to pay for a bait of this kind but I've hardly ever seen anyone saying its actually a good bait. Has anyone been using it lately and able to give be their feedback?
The baitworks one I'll take a look at that , hadn't seen they'd released anything new. Only comes in 1kg bags though which seem odd
The optimum is a funny one. It was what I sort of expect to pay for a bait of this kind but I've hardly ever seen anyone saying its actually a good bait. Has anyone been using it lately and able to give be their feedback?
The baitworks one I'll take a look at that , hadn't seen they'd released anything new. Only comes in 1kg bags though which seem odd
I narrowed it down to rollin baits and bait works back in the spring (I wanted milk, but didn't want fishmeal or nut in the bait)
Based on talking with both, baitworks recommended creamino rather than proflow so I didn't test pro-flow.
However, I bought 1kg of optimum and 1kg of creamino and side by side creamino out fished optimum by a long way.
Was only short sessions and a kg of each so loads didn't go in but from my little test baitworks were head and shoulders over rollin baits - even the interaction with them at the start was a more positive experience with baitworks.
Based on talking with both, baitworks recommended creamino rather than proflow so I didn't test pro-flow.
However, I bought 1kg of optimum and 1kg of creamino and side by side creamino out fished optimum by a long way.
Was only short sessions and a kg of each so loads didn't go in but from my little test baitworks were head and shoulders over rollin baits - even the interaction with them at the start was a more positive experience with baitworks.
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Think optibaits are now doing a rolled milk protein bait. Only in 16's and stabilised.
Think optibaits are now doing a rolled milk protein bait. Only in 16's and stabilised.
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John Baker Supermilk
John Baker Supermilk
High volume top flagship milk baits are: insanely expensive and super rare.
John baker does a super milk mix, and opti baits does one also. Both very good.
Rollin produces a seriously quality bait called optimum. Who mix high end milks plus hydrolysed liquids and some krill products. (Could be wrong)
Bait works creamino is not even close in composition to an old school
High end milk protein bait. Both reflected in cost and its listed ingredients.
It contains some milk and cream products, along with a lot of other stuff. It's a great bait but it is entirely seperate (hybrid) category of bait.
The nutra baits BFM, had higher volumes of milks than fish products apparently. Alot of older classic baits rhat did the business had air of quality milks but sadly now are not possible used in commercial baits due to cost.
I am of the opinion anyways that whilst highly soluble and attractive they can benefit from a large inclusion, but along with extra different additions. I would add them along with other high end products, for my own bait to create an high quality expensive hybrid type bait. Possibly fish, savoury, meat etc
John baker does a super milk mix, and opti baits does one also. Both very good.
Rollin produces a seriously quality bait called optimum. Who mix high end milks plus hydrolysed liquids and some krill products. (Could be wrong)
Bait works creamino is not even close in composition to an old school
High end milk protein bait. Both reflected in cost and its listed ingredients.
It contains some milk and cream products, along with a lot of other stuff. It's a great bait but it is entirely seperate (hybrid) category of bait.
The nutra baits BFM, had higher volumes of milks than fish products apparently. Alot of older classic baits rhat did the business had air of quality milks but sadly now are not possible used in commercial baits due to cost.
I am of the opinion anyways that whilst highly soluble and attractive they can benefit from a large inclusion, but along with extra different additions. I would add them along with other high end products, for my own bait to create an high quality expensive hybrid type bait. Possibly fish, savoury, meat etc
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Cotswold meta bait is decent. Not cheap but decent
Cotswold meta bait is decent. Not cheap but decent
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Used to be deadly when my mate used it back in the day (80's).
It cost 11 quid a kilo for the base mix in 1987 !
Forgot who produces it now ...
Used to be deadly when my mate used it back in the day (80's).
It cost 11 quid a kilo for the base mix in 1987 !
Forgot who produces it now ...
Baitworks PRO FLOW
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It's Dave Moore's current bait of choice , developed by him
It's Dave Moore's current bait of choice , developed by him