Just had the opportunity to watch Kordas latest underwater vid.
Have any of you managed to give it a watch yet. And if so what are your thoughts?
Felt a big sorry for Tom Stokes in the end. Danny Watching Tom struggle ( if catching a half a dozen fish is struggling)
knowing he had a rig in the locker. That as he put it. Is a big a step forward as the invention of the hair rig ( not quite sure about that )
The shot on the hook rig. Been around for years, so nothing new. Dinsmore better be prepared for an up sale in split shot.
Have any of you managed to give it a watch yet. And if so what are your thoughts?
Felt a big sorry for Tom Stokes in the end. Danny Watching Tom struggle ( if catching a half a dozen fish is struggling)
knowing he had a rig in the locker. That as he put it. Is a big a step forward as the invention of the hair rig ( not quite sure about that )The shot on the hook rig. Been around for years, so nothing new. Dinsmore better be prepared for an up sale in split shot.
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Yep seen it. The fact that it took them so long to work out that the rigs they were using were crap left me baffled. They are watching live ffs.The rig that Fairbrass 'came up' with is just one that's now gone full circle as they all do. It's all no doubt designed to sell the latest load of components. He's getting closer though. Bless.😉
Yep seen it. The fact that it took them so long to work out that the rigs they were using were crap left me baffled. They are watching live ffs.The rig that Fairbrass 'came up' with is just one that's now gone full circle as they all do. It's all no doubt designed to sell the latest load of components. He's getting closer though. Bless.😉
Watched the first 30 minutes and got bored, ill come back to it at some point. It's not as bad as the Fox one for filler, but it absolutely doesn't need to be 2 hours long.
I watched it last night, and yes, it was quite frustrating for both them and the viewer. When given the chance to figure out what was happening as the fish immediately blew the rig back out, no one seemed to consider the cause—could it be the metal from the hook, or perhaps the plastic from the shrink tube, though not all rigs use it? It might sound silly, but for the sake of experimentation, wouldn't it make sense to eliminate each component and observe the reaction or feeding? For instance, present a bait without a hook and see how quickly they reject it. If the issue is the bait feeling tethered, why not devise a rig that minimizes this to simply observe the reaction, instead of continuously trying to catch carp? Then, use that information to advance.
The session did provide positive answers to certain questions, such as the boom length and its hinged connection to the lead or line in a helicopter setup. However, as is typical with these filming sessions, it was suitable for the substrate they could film on, but not for many practical angling scenarios, like deep silt, which obviously couldn't be captured on film.
The session did provide positive answers to certain questions, such as the boom length and its hinged connection to the lead or line in a helicopter setup. However, as is typical with these filming sessions, it was suitable for the substrate they could film on, but not for many practical angling scenarios, like deep silt, which obviously couldn't be captured on film.
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They don't want us to eliminate component they want us to add them to are tackle box 🤫
They don't want us to eliminate component they want us to add them to are tackle box 🤫
I'm not too fussed either way what happens under water tbh, I go fishing, I have a rig that catches fish, I know this as I have caught fish using the rig. am I getting done 9 out of ten times??? I don't know but I'm not too fussed either way. I catch some fish throughout the year and it keeps me coming back. will I watch this??. most probably at some point,will I change what I do?? probably not....I don't make a living out of it,I don't have sponsors I need to please,I don't own a tackle company that will benefit from sales on the back of a promotional video. I enjoy my fishing,If I catch I'm happy. if I don't ill be back next week to try again
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I agree with your thoughts on that they just jumped from one thing to another without taking a slightly more scientific approach by doing one thing at a time to see how it reacted.
The earlier underwaters were extremely structured in that approach, it appears in the last two they have been more opinion and thought based of the anglers in them. Also why not start where they left off in the previous ones and work from there,
I also thought there was a lot more they could have tried especially with 2 rigs in the water at the same time.
As always i never think there is a bad underwater film as such, as you can always learn something from them imo, albeit the fox was tested that belief a lot last year.
I agree with your thoughts on that they just jumped from one thing to another without taking a slightly more scientific approach by doing one thing at a time to see how it reacted.
The earlier underwaters were extremely structured in that approach, it appears in the last two they have been more opinion and thought based of the anglers in them. Also why not start where they left off in the previous ones and work from there,
I also thought there was a lot more they could have tried especially with 2 rigs in the water at the same time.
As always i never think there is a bad underwater film as such, as you can always learn something from them imo, albeit the fox was tested that belief a lot last year.
as revolutionary as the hair rig for that type of fishing?
as much as I like Danny that was pretty bold - especially as anglers have been effectively using inline leads & very short hooklinks in PVA bags for years (which they didn't try??)
have always found rig choice should be made on the day with so many things that can affect how effective they are. they definitely cracked the code of that spot for sure but I will be interested to see how quickly it blows & fish-wise up to it.
as much as I like Danny that was pretty bold - especially as anglers have been effectively using inline leads & very short hooklinks in PVA bags for years (which they didn't try??)
have always found rig choice should be made on the day with so many things that can affect how effective they are. they definitely cracked the code of that spot for sure but I will be interested to see how quickly it blows & fish-wise up to it.
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Yeah a solid bag was one of the things i thought they would have tried in that situation. Especially when Rob Burgess cleans up on Norton Disney with them.
Yeah a solid bag was one of the things i thought they would have tried in that situation. Especially when Rob Burgess cleans up on Norton Disney with them.
Watched the whole lot now, the whole thing just felt like an Infomercial. I understand these videos are hard to make, but all they get obsessed with is catching carp on film, rather than actually learning. I think they need some kind of scientist on board, to actually help them run a fair experiment. I wouldn't mind betting if they had used the same rig the whole way through, they would have had identical results, it's just purely how the fish were feeding on that day.
It was in places good entertainment without getting too technical. Seeing as these videos are commercially driven it wasn't bad at all. 
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I wouldn't mind betting if they had used the same rig the whole way through, they would have had identical results, it's just purely how the fish were feeding on that day.
Not seen the video but I suspect that's what happened here and what happens for many other people.
They change something and convince themselves that is what they needed.
Confirmation bias.
I wouldn't mind betting if they had used the same rig the whole way through, they would have had identical results, it's just purely how the fish were feeding on that day.
Not seen the video but I suspect that's what happened here and what happens for many other people.
They change something and convince themselves that is what they needed.
Confirmation bias.
Also, I didn't understand when Danny put the hair right by the barb and said it was to "make the point of the hook heavier"
Surely this does the absolute opposite, if you lift that bait up. The bend of the hook is the heaviest.
Surely this does the absolute opposite, if you lift that bait up. The bend of the hook is the heaviest.
Very bold claim to say that it was as revolutionary as the hair rig, it is definitely not. Its just a multitude of variations on what is already out there.
With that being said, im going to try a flavour of that rig when i next go fishing :P
With that being said, im going to try a flavour of that rig when i next go fishing :P
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Love PB products posted on their socials with the shot on the hook beads, saying they had been on about it for years and nothing new
Yeah i think the lines between it being a "experiment" vs entertainment are becoming to blurred. The early ones were nothing but experimentation and full on discussion around why certain things happened and how to react to it. Thinking tackle then was running as well as more of the entertainment side.
This one felt a bit too blurred, and dare i say it but i think looking back that having someone like Ali or Elliot who would just non stop challenge others about the how and why probably pushed it on.
Again will always go back and say that i never watch a underwater film and don't learn something so well done to all who do it
Love PB products posted on their socials with the shot on the hook beads, saying they had been on about it for years and nothing new
Yeah i think the lines between it being a "experiment" vs entertainment are becoming to blurred. The early ones were nothing but experimentation and full on discussion around why certain things happened and how to react to it. Thinking tackle then was running as well as more of the entertainment side.
This one felt a bit too blurred, and dare i say it but i think looking back that having someone like Ali or Elliot who would just non stop challenge others about the how and why probably pushed it on.
Again will always go back and say that i never watch a underwater film and don't learn something so well done to all who do it