Sorry, not sure I have quite got the correct tile to the thread.
I am trying to ascertain the relative "heaviness" of individual bait Ingredients i.e fishmeal vs squidmeal vs casiens vs whey proteins vs soya vs yeast etc..etc..etc....
Happy to be pointed in the direction of the appropriate reading, have searched but struggled to find anything, but wary of wasting money mixing a bunch of ingredients and repeatedly creating one egg pop-up mixes😁
Many thanks in advance
Cheers
Ian
I am trying to ascertain the relative "heaviness" of individual bait Ingredients i.e fishmeal vs squidmeal vs casiens vs whey proteins vs soya vs yeast etc..etc..etc....
Happy to be pointed in the direction of the appropriate reading, have searched but struggled to find anything, but wary of wasting money mixing a bunch of ingredients and repeatedly creating one egg pop-up mixes😁
Many thanks in advance
Cheers
Ian
In reply to Post #1
It might help if you explain why the "heaviness" or density of each ingredient matters so much to you.
Are you having problems with baits floating?
If so, it's usually too much shrimp or krill that will make a bait float.
It might help if you explain why the "heaviness" or density of each ingredient matters so much to you.
Are you having problems with baits floating?
If so, it's usually too much shrimp or krill that will make a bait float.
In reply to Post #2
As baitman has said you would need to know the "bulk density" of each of your powdered ingredient. This usually can come with specs of the product or can be ascertained by filling a set volume of vessel and then weighing it.
Limestone powder can be used to "weight" down a mix from memory but unsure on how it affects binding and rolling etc
As baitman has said you would need to know the "bulk density" of each of your powdered ingredient. This usually can come with specs of the product or can be ascertained by filling a set volume of vessel and then weighing it.
Limestone powder can be used to "weight" down a mix from memory but unsure on how it affects binding and rolling etc
In reply to Post #3
Thanks both for the response.
JHHilton makes sense - I have bought ingredients from on-line retailers, I would say the usual suspects, whom I am assume are buying in bulk from a source, so will have to go back to the retailers at least to start with.
Baitman - yes if is floating bait and it does contain krill. I see two possibilities. Firstly reduce the absolute amount of krill in the mixture or add more of a dense ingredient and reduce the quantities of other ingredients, which I appreciate may have other consequences such as how easy it is to roll the bait. I will try both approaches but for the later that is why I was trying to understand typically which ingredients were "denser" - much better description than my choice of words
Thanks both for the response.
JHHilton makes sense - I have bought ingredients from on-line retailers, I would say the usual suspects, whom I am assume are buying in bulk from a source, so will have to go back to the retailers at least to start with.
Baitman - yes if is floating bait and it does contain krill. I see two possibilities. Firstly reduce the absolute amount of krill in the mixture or add more of a dense ingredient and reduce the quantities of other ingredients, which I appreciate may have other consequences such as how easy it is to roll the bait. I will try both approaches but for the later that is why I was trying to understand typically which ingredients were "denser" - much better description than my choice of words
In reply to Post #4
High oil and fat content can cause bait mixes to float, and also bad rolling issues.
Going back to the density thing..
I remember back in the day when all separate ingredients were sold by volume, like in 1 PINT bags, also had the weight on the side.
That was a useful indicator of volume against weight of an ingredient. small bag and a larger bag alongside each other.
Off the top of my head, some Dense ingredients are like:
Limestome flour
Oystershell grit
seaweed / Kelp powder
Casein.
Ground Rice,
Polenta ( medium or fine ) Maize flour
Semolina
Certain Fishmeals like White fishmeal ( Provimi 66 )
Hope that helps
High oil and fat content can cause bait mixes to float, and also bad rolling issues.
Going back to the density thing..
I remember back in the day when all separate ingredients were sold by volume, like in 1 PINT bags, also had the weight on the side.
That was a useful indicator of volume against weight of an ingredient. small bag and a larger bag alongside each other.
Off the top of my head, some Dense ingredients are like:
Limestome flour
Oystershell grit
seaweed / Kelp powder
Casein.
Ground Rice,
Polenta ( medium or fine ) Maize flour
Semolina
Certain Fishmeals like White fishmeal ( Provimi 66 )
Hope that helps
In reply to Post #1
Can you put soya flour in the mix, told you I know lots about bait
Can you put soya flour in the mix, told you I know lots about bait
In reply to Post #4
Take a egg cup and fill & wight each powdered ingredient with it. List the results so you know the most and lease dense.
Then look at the amounts by weight of each ingredient you put in and how they stack up in density. Then reduce the ones that are lease dense
again it may affect how it binds and rolls
Take a egg cup and fill & wight each powdered ingredient with it. List the results so you know the most and lease dense.
Then look at the amounts by weight of each ingredient you put in and how they stack up in density. Then reduce the ones that are lease dense
again it may affect how it binds and rolls
In reply to Post #7
Cheers All
Cheers All
In reply to Post #5
High oil and fat content can cause bait mixes to float, and also bad rolling issues.
Years ago I used to roll Trigga base mix. Rolled on the rolling table, sausages formed under the pressure by hand would sink when rolled
Sausages that came out of the bait gun would often float.
The base mix was exactly the same.
I could roll half a mix by rolling table and half through a gun, and again get exactly the same results.
Weird!
I used to use Sodium Caseinate and Shrimp meal as very light meals, they are buoyant, and any amount in many baits will make pop-ups rather than bottom baits.
I would add them to my base mix for that very reason, a 1 egg mix of pop-ups.
The method mentioned in the thread about weighing a specific amount, i.e the eggcup will tell you that 10 grams of say casein is 1 eggcup, or 14grams of wholemeal semolina is also an eggcup.
However it will not tell you the density in water, whether it will sink or float, or add buoyancy to baits, although you could be close by reckoning the least dense the powders the more buoyant.
Saying that I haven't checked on sodium caseinate or shrimp meal...
High oil and fat content can cause bait mixes to float, and also bad rolling issues.
Years ago I used to roll Trigga base mix. Rolled on the rolling table, sausages formed under the pressure by hand would sink when rolled
Sausages that came out of the bait gun would often float.
The base mix was exactly the same.
I could roll half a mix by rolling table and half through a gun, and again get exactly the same results.
Weird!
I used to use Sodium Caseinate and Shrimp meal as very light meals, they are buoyant, and any amount in many baits will make pop-ups rather than bottom baits.
I would add them to my base mix for that very reason, a 1 egg mix of pop-ups.
The method mentioned in the thread about weighing a specific amount, i.e the eggcup will tell you that 10 grams of say casein is 1 eggcup, or 14grams of wholemeal semolina is also an eggcup.
However it will not tell you the density in water, whether it will sink or float, or add buoyancy to baits, although you could be close by reckoning the least dense the powders the more buoyant.
Saying that I haven't checked on sodium caseinate or shrimp meal...
In reply to Post #9
What does that actually mean?
What does that actually mean?
In reply to Post #10
It was interesting but we shall have to see later
It was interesting but we shall have to see later
In reply to Post #11
Years ago nutrabaits did a heavy bait additive, it was grey, fairly course, what was it thanks, I'm sure it was nothing special and I'm sure I paid far to much
Years ago nutrabaits did a heavy bait additive, it was grey, fairly course, what was it thanks, I'm sure it was nothing special and I'm sure I paid far to much
In reply to Post #10
What does that actually mean?
If you don't understand then put it like this:
Water has a density of say 1.
Cork has a density of 0.5. Cork is 'lighter' than water, therefore it floats.
Sodium caseinate has a density of 0.8, that also floats.
Limestone flour has a density of 1.5, that sinks.
What does that actually mean?
If you don't understand then put it like this:
Water has a density of say 1.
Cork has a density of 0.5. Cork is 'lighter' than water, therefore it floats.
Sodium caseinate has a density of 0.8, that also floats.
Limestone flour has a density of 1.5, that sinks.
In reply to Post #12
Think the company wasn't Nutrabaits. TBH.
Remember Years ago Dave Thorpe was the first company to do a SPECIFIC 'heavy bait additive' and that was probably limestone flour looking back nowadays. And yes the mark up must have been brilliant.
He was on Darenth for a little while, with a few field testers he did a good Kent Carp Society slide show, remember the products flyers for people to flick through, and his Cold water mix and Green Beast
Think the company wasn't Nutrabaits. TBH.
Remember Years ago Dave Thorpe was the first company to do a SPECIFIC 'heavy bait additive' and that was probably limestone flour looking back nowadays. And yes the mark up must have been brilliant.
He was on Darenth for a little while, with a few field testers he did a good Kent Carp Society slide show, remember the products flyers for people to flick through, and his Cold water mix and Green Beast
In reply to Post #14
Oh I might have that wrong, yes he did some good stuff
Oh I might have that wrong, yes he did some good stuff