I remember Julian ,nutrabait chap can't remember last name
Saying he did very well using half shelfies and half frozen free offerings, eny thoughts , just a random bait thought thanks
Saying he did very well using half shelfies and half frozen free offerings, eny thoughts , just a random bait thought thanks
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Cundiff?
Cundiff?
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Think you mean Big Bill Cottam, I know he was a fan of the 50% frozen and 50% shelf life baits in a swim.
Particularly Trigga.
Think you mean Big Bill Cottam, I know he was a fan of the 50% frozen and 50% shelf life baits in a swim.
Particularly Trigga.
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for what reason i wonder
for what reason i wonder
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My thinking is that the Shelf life's give Initial high flavour, attractors and leakage, alongside the potentially more nutritional, lower flavour levels in the frozen baits.
Tim Paisley was another one who liked to use this method on some of his foreign trips.
Can get you a few quicker bites, whilst you work the swim out in the first 24to 48 hours plus.
My thinking is that the Shelf life's give Initial high flavour, attractors and leakage, alongside the potentially more nutritional, lower flavour levels in the frozen baits.
Tim Paisley was another one who liked to use this method on some of his foreign trips.
Can get you a few quicker bites, whilst you work the swim out in the first 24to 48 hours plus.
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cant say ive ever used shelfies
cant say ive ever used shelfies
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Gary Bayes said the same thing on his Carp Cast I think.
Fair bit of experience and bait knowledge between those three.
Gary Bayes said the same thing on his Carp Cast I think.
Fair bit of experience and bait knowledge between those three.
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Pretty much my thinking, and Gary Bayes most definitely said the same.
Initial attraction of I think the glycerin/sugar dip, compared to the switch on as the frozen baits start efflorescing, sugars, salt and enzymes coming out making them 'active'.
Frozen baits often are best after 3 or 4 days.
Pretty much my thinking, and Gary Bayes most definitely said the same.
Initial attraction of I think the glycerin/sugar dip, compared to the switch on as the frozen baits start efflorescing, sugars, salt and enzymes coming out making them 'active'.
Frozen baits often are best after 3 or 4 days.
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Ahh yes Cundiffe, maybe Bill Cotton did that aswell
Thanks for explaining why, are shelfies as apposed to frozen in the same bait heavier flavoured then
Ahh yes Cundiffe, maybe Bill Cotton did that aswell
Thanks for explaining why, are shelfies as apposed to frozen in the same bait heavier flavoured then
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I've been on sindicates that say no shelfies, as thay believe there inferior, then in the hut selling them , fukin game
I've been on sindicates that say no shelfies, as thay believe there inferior, then in the hut selling them , fukin game
Strange as I'm sure I read some ware that modern shelf life were almost identical to there frozen equivalent just with slightly less egg content which was replaced by the human grade preservative. It also said the frozen bait would turn quicker and get to work while the preserved bait would take longer owing to the preservative.
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Ahh yes Cundiffe, maybe Bill Cotton did that aswell
Thanks for explaining why, are shelfies as apposed to frozen in the same bait heavier flavoured then
Sorry I have to reply to you and Goose in the same post.
A number of shelfies have the exact same levels or no flavour as the freezer version.
I am not 100% sure, but I think Bill Cottam and Nutrabaits came up with almost identical boilies in Shelf and freezer version in Trigga.
Strange as I'm sure I read some ware that modern shelf life were almost identical to there frozen equivalent just with slightly less egg content which was replaced by the human grade preservative
As Goose said, the said, it is quite possible that the original Trigga Shelf life had some food grade preservative.
I did use both versions, individually, shelfies first on a water that responded very well to Trigga pellets and the Shelf life version, and the frozen version on Earith, which caught a few.
I know Crafty Catcher the shelfie version are the same as the frozen version, but after boiling and drying are given a glycerine and sugar syrup dip and then dried again to preserve them. I would think a few manufacturers do the same.
On Alton Water, I was happy to use Rod Hutchinson KMG boilies, which are shelf life only, and again they caught their fair share of fish.
I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that glycerine itself might be an attractor.
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Ahh yes Cundiffe, maybe Bill Cotton did that aswell
Thanks for explaining why, are shelfies as apposed to frozen in the same bait heavier flavoured then
Sorry I have to reply to you and Goose in the same post.
A number of shelfies have the exact same levels or no flavour as the freezer version.
I am not 100% sure, but I think Bill Cottam and Nutrabaits came up with almost identical boilies in Shelf and freezer version in Trigga.
Strange as I'm sure I read some ware that modern shelf life were almost identical to there frozen equivalent just with slightly less egg content which was replaced by the human grade preservative
As Goose said, the said, it is quite possible that the original Trigga Shelf life had some food grade preservative.
I did use both versions, individually, shelfies first on a water that responded very well to Trigga pellets and the Shelf life version, and the frozen version on Earith, which caught a few.
I know Crafty Catcher the shelfie version are the same as the frozen version, but after boiling and drying are given a glycerine and sugar syrup dip and then dried again to preserve them. I would think a few manufacturers do the same.
On Alton Water, I was happy to use Rod Hutchinson KMG boilies, which are shelf life only, and again they caught their fair share of fish.
I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that glycerine itself might be an attractor.
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I'm sure the nutrabaits of old, like the Techni Spice shelfies had a proven winter track record as hookbaits, minimal baiting as they had much higher flavour / multimino attractor levels than normal, per kilo.
Glycerine, you are probably right. I'm sure they can detect the sweetness, and emulsifying properties within, so many preserved baits use the method and catch plenty to not be a winner.
I'm sure the nutrabaits of old, like the Techni Spice shelfies had a proven winter track record as hookbaits, minimal baiting as they had much higher flavour / multimino attractor levels than normal, per kilo.
Glycerine, you are probably right. I'm sure they can detect the sweetness, and emulsifying properties within, so many preserved baits use the method and catch plenty to not be a winner.
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Also quite a vested interest though....
Also quite a vested interest though....
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Nash shelf life's used to have potassium sorbate in ( most stabilised ones do now ) and the actual boilies where a different from easy to preserve recipe. I used to use scopex squid shellfire as a kid and they were bright orange compared to the brown freezer bait, and looking back on how they tasted I'd be shocked if they contained any fishmeal etc.
Completely different now though.
Nash shelf life's used to have potassium sorbate in ( most stabilised ones do now ) and the actual boilies where a different from easy to preserve recipe. I used to use scopex squid shellfire as a kid and they were bright orange compared to the brown freezer bait, and looking back on how they tasted I'd be shocked if they contained any fishmeal etc.
Completely different now though.