I've never used a fig 8/loop knot in any of my rig construction, but would really like to in several situations, how does the knot compare against the grinner or palomar tied direct to the swivel?
Is it as robust and reliable, or are there failings to be aware of? Tia.
Is it as robust and reliable, or are there failings to be aware of? Tia.
In reply to Post #1
They're completely different knots used for completely different purposes, you can't really compare them
They're completely different knots used for completely different purposes, you can't really compare them
In reply to Post #2
They are used for attaching a rig to a quick change swivel (amongst other things). As against tying direct. Of course they can be compared.
They are used for attaching a rig to a quick change swivel (amongst other things). As against tying direct. Of course they can be compared.
In reply to Post #3
Properly tied all these knots are strong and reliable and do not slip. They are very different. Palomar and grinnet are what I would call snug knots that pull up tight to whatever they are tied on such as swivels and hooks. Fig of 8 produces a fixed loop. Sure you know all this. If I want a loop on the end of a line I use a fig 8 for all my fishing with the exception of attaching a lure to heavy mono with a fixed loop, when I would use a rapala knot.
Fig 8 is perfect for hooklength to a qc swivel, loop to loop attachment of bags, leads, marker floats and leaders or anything you need to take on and off or change regularly.
It is a great knot for constructing stiff hinge rigs and stiff hooklinks like stiff d rigs as you can tie a free moving swivel into the loop very easily. Also use it to tie loops in light mono hook lengths for easy strong loop to loop attachment
Very easy to tie and hangs straight and lies flat if carefully and correctly tied. Great versatile knot. Works just as well in mono, fluoro, braid and coated braid. Most knots don't.
Properly tied all these knots are strong and reliable and do not slip. They are very different. Palomar and grinnet are what I would call snug knots that pull up tight to whatever they are tied on such as swivels and hooks. Fig of 8 produces a fixed loop. Sure you know all this. If I want a loop on the end of a line I use a fig 8 for all my fishing with the exception of attaching a lure to heavy mono with a fixed loop, when I would use a rapala knot.
Fig 8 is perfect for hooklength to a qc swivel, loop to loop attachment of bags, leads, marker floats and leaders or anything you need to take on and off or change regularly.
It is a great knot for constructing stiff hinge rigs and stiff hooklinks like stiff d rigs as you can tie a free moving swivel into the loop very easily. Also use it to tie loops in light mono hook lengths for easy strong loop to loop attachment
Very easy to tie and hangs straight and lies flat if carefully and correctly tied. Great versatile knot. Works just as well in mono, fluoro, braid and coated braid. Most knots don't.
In reply to Post #1
Ive used the fig of 8 loop knot for many years on hook links without issue, and generally use the palomar for mainline to swivel without issue both strong knots.
When i have tried new knots i always compare/test against my standard knots, a simple way is to get a length of line connect one end with a knot you trust then the other end with new knot and pull for a break, i would do this test several times just incase i had tied a bad knot which would offset results.
Ive used the fig of 8 loop knot for many years on hook links without issue, and generally use the palomar for mainline to swivel without issue both strong knots.
When i have tried new knots i always compare/test against my standard knots, a simple way is to get a length of line connect one end with a knot you trust then the other end with new knot and pull for a break, i would do this test several times just incase i had tied a bad knot which would offset results.
In reply to Post #4
Thanks mate, yes I know all the different uses, only concern was the reliability/strength of knot.
Was thinking of the large loop for attaching the gemini tidy stems/pva bag system. Cheers for the advice.
Thanks mate, yes I know all the different uses, only concern was the reliability/strength of knot.
Was thinking of the large loop for attaching the gemini tidy stems/pva bag system. Cheers for the advice.
In reply to Post #6
That's the bag system I use and never had a problem. Good luck.
That's the bag system I use and never had a problem. Good luck.
In reply to Post #1
I use the figure of 8 for braid hooklink loops, brilliant knot for me
Mono to swivels, palomar for me, more nylon around the metal, doubled up
Loops in boom sections such as heavy fluro, figure of 8
If I wanted a loop in a light mono or Fluro hooklink it would be the non-slip loop. The figure of 8 is a strangulation knot, not good on lighter materials for me
I use the figure of 8 for braid hooklink loops, brilliant knot for me
Mono to swivels, palomar for me, more nylon around the metal, doubled up
Loops in boom sections such as heavy fluro, figure of 8
If I wanted a loop in a light mono or Fluro hooklink it would be the non-slip loop. The figure of 8 is a strangulation knot, not good on lighter materials for me
In reply to Post #8
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The perfection loop knot if its in hooklinks or booms as it sits flat and exits the knot perfectly inline
In reply to Post #1
Lets not beat about the bush.
A Palomar knot is alot stronger than a figure of eight loop knot.
Probably 25 %.
Lets not beat about the bush.
A Palomar knot is alot stronger than a figure of eight loop knot.
Probably 25 %.
In reply to Post #1
Palomar and grinner are both stronger than the figure of 8 loop knot. But, there's nothing wrong with using the figure 8 with any coated, or dyneema braids. I wouldn't use it with mono though.
The best loop knot is the Perfection Loop Knot, and is a lot stronger than the figure 8.
Another loop knot that's stronger than the figure 8, but can be fiddly to tie, is the Rapala loop knot. It's basically the same as the non slip loop knot, except that the knot is finished by passing the tag through the D shaped loop after it's passed through the overhand knot on the standing line. Bomb proof for a coated braid.
Palomar and grinner are both stronger than the figure of 8 loop knot. But, there's nothing wrong with using the figure 8 with any coated, or dyneema braids. I wouldn't use it with mono though.
The best loop knot is the Perfection Loop Knot, and is a lot stronger than the figure 8.
Another loop knot that's stronger than the figure 8, but can be fiddly to tie, is the Rapala loop knot. It's basically the same as the non slip loop knot, except that the knot is finished by passing the tag through the D shaped loop after it's passed through the overhand knot on the standing line. Bomb proof for a coated braid.
In reply to Post #12
The fig8, rapala and non slip loops I've always found myself and seen in other tests to be stronger than a perfection loop. It presents well as the name suggests and with heavy mono/stiff material on a hook section for example, you could lose 20% knot strength and it wouldn't matter anyway.
The fig8, rapala and non slip loops I've always found myself and seen in other tests to be stronger than a perfection loop. It presents well as the name suggests and with heavy mono/stiff material on a hook section for example, you could lose 20% knot strength and it wouldn't matter anyway.
All of the knots mentioned are very good, strong knots when tied correctly in suitable materials. All will give about 80% strength of the material they are tied in. The differences are minimal. The palomar and grinner are not loop knots so don't bear direct comparison.
I use the fig 8 to create loops because it is easy to tie and easy to check before tightening.
It's easy to tie in any diameter of line.
It is easily adjustable for length of loop.
It is completely reliable in all materials including mono.
I have complete faith in it after 54 years of hands on use and experience without problems in many different contexts.
Make your own choices. I've made mine.
I use the fig 8 to create loops because it is easy to tie and easy to check before tightening.
It's easy to tie in any diameter of line.
It is easily adjustable for length of loop.
It is completely reliable in all materials including mono.
I have complete faith in it after 54 years of hands on use and experience without problems in many different contexts.
Make your own choices. I've made mine.
In reply to Post #13
You're probably right actually. I've used the figure of 8 with coated braid when tying up a multi rig and it's never let me down.
But, if I'm tying a fluorocarbon boom for a hing rig, the perfection loop is solid and I've found it to be a lot stronger than the figure of 8; at least with fluorocarbon anyway. I've seen the figure of 8 explode with fluorocarbon and amnesia when tested against the non slip, rapala and perfection loop. But, with braid it's solid.
I used to tie the non slip loop knot for my boom sections, but moved over to the perfection loop because it's easier to tie.
You're probably right actually. I've used the figure of 8 with coated braid when tying up a multi rig and it's never let me down.
But, if I'm tying a fluorocarbon boom for a hing rig, the perfection loop is solid and I've found it to be a lot stronger than the figure of 8; at least with fluorocarbon anyway. I've seen the figure of 8 explode with fluorocarbon and amnesia when tested against the non slip, rapala and perfection loop. But, with braid it's solid.
I used to tie the non slip loop knot for my boom sections, but moved over to the perfection loop because it's easier to tie.