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Longshank hooks and mouth damage (35 posts / 5,117 views)
Baptist73 Baptist73
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Post #1 11 Oct 2020 13:11
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Just speaking to one of the baliffs at our local and he said they were thinking of banning longshank hooks... when I asked him why he said "well, I've seen the damage they have done over the years"

Strange thing is hardly anyone seems to use them on that lake... I'm more inclined to think it's down the anglers and the way they play the fish sometimes rather than the hook... can't see that alone solving the problems of mouth damage TBH

I've used them on and off for years myself and can't remember having any issues, they are normally hooked in the bottom lip.

What are your opinions on this?
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #2 11 Oct 2020 13:16
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In reply to Post #1
I think your bailiff is a wise man and completely right
HudsonOLD
Posts: 37
Post #3 11 Oct 2020 13:30
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In reply to Post #2
Not disputing it but why are they any worse?
Goose Goose
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Post #4 11 Oct 2020 13:31
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In reply to Post #1
Everyone has an opinion but in this case it may only be the opinion of those making the rules that matter.
Obviously the longer the hook shank any sideways pressure is increasing the pressure on the hold as the leverage will increase the longer the shank.
Apps316 Apps316
Posts: 2,114
Post #5 11 Oct 2020 13:35
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In reply to Post #4
Why aren't they banned everywhere then? I've seen curved Longshanks banned... but rarely longshanks.
Goose Goose
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Post #6 11 Oct 2020 13:41
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In reply to Post #5
Bit like barbed v barb less debate, upto the venue powers to decide and us to abide.
Stevethefishy Stevethefishy
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Post #7 11 Oct 2020 15:44
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In reply to Post #6
I don't use longshanks as I find they tear but I'm sure it's more to
do with where you fish, I'm sure others find them great
Some carp have very rubbery lips and others well, don't.
and it's down to the individual to decide
I use both curve shanks and beaked point hooks which Ive found more acceptable
daveman daveman
Posts: 2,377
Post #8 11 Oct 2020 16:08
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In reply to Post #1
All types of long shanks are banned on my syndicate, regardless if straight or curved. But to be honest I've never used them myself.
bluebeat13
Posts: 2,168
Post #9 11 Oct 2020 17:00
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What's the threshold for a long shank? I've found it's more to do with gape vs shank, small gape vs long shank like the Korda ones will have more leverage and I've found they will pull/rip more frequently.

Same with the old carp r us longshank nailers which were probably the ones that kicked off the ban.

Wider gape with a long shank like the newer trig hammers seem to be a bit kinder on the fishes gob but can still be tied aggressively
Goose Goose
Posts: 12,901
Post #10 11 Oct 2020 20:05
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In reply to Post #7
Several places I've fished over the years have banned beak point hooks.
essesxandy essesxandy
Posts: 3,197
Post #11 12 Oct 2020 07:34
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In reply to Post #10
Wow I've never heard of that one before. Do you know what the thinking is behind it?
deaffred deaffred
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Post #12 12 Oct 2020 10:34
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Used them for years and never had any bother or damage at all .
Mind you when they are hooked they are hooked but I tend to cut the hook with cutters rather than try to retrieve the hook as I think a lot of the so called damage is done on the un hooking .
I've seen a lot of reluctant anglers Un willing to cut the hook hence causing minimal damage only a small hole where it entered but pull and tear the flesh to save their hook 😡

Also I use soft rods and play them not pull their heads off .
Let's face it a lot use powerfull rods on puddles with the must have 50 mm butt ring .
But a lot of more older anglers have rods for all occasions 1 3/4 TC. 2 1/4 TC 3 1/2 TC

Like I say never had a problem .

Seen a lot worse with barbless only venues but that's another kettle of fish .
HudsonOLD
Posts: 37
Post #13 12 Oct 2020 11:26
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I've got a pack of longshank muggas in my box, based on this thread I'll get rid of them.

We can recreate the length of the shank on the hook using Shrink tubing Except using a Ronnie or 360 rig so if there's any truth in this thread tackle companies should stop making them really as they don't have any benefit over any other hook and there is a potential to cause damage.

Start a Petition somebody

Tinhead Tinhead
Posts: 17,089
Post #14 12 Oct 2020 12:23
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In reply to Post #9
What's the threshold for a long shank?

That's what I'd like to know. I was trying to source some Fox Series 1 hooks recently, some packs describe them as long shank and some packs say medium. Even Fox can't make up their mind
phil090781
Posts: 2,335
Post #15 12 Oct 2020 12:24
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In reply to Post #1
I'm big fan of conventional longshank hooks - like the old KAMASAN B175 type pattern. I like them tied slip d style with a very small shrink tube kicker for bottom baits + snowman rigs

I've never noticed any mouth damage that I can attribute to the hook pattern.

Phil
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