Good morning all!
Just a quick post regarding my tackle end.
I use a meter of leadcore tied to 15lb mono main line. At the tackle end the leadcore is then tied to a size 8 quick change swivel with a standard lead clip attached including rubber tail.
The problem I have is on a pick up the lead clip with lead always ends up by the mono knot 1 meter up the line which isn't ideal when playing a fish.
Is there anyway I can prevent this happening without a potential death rig? Seems like the lead clip is too loose around the swivel?
Just a quick post regarding my tackle end.
I use a meter of leadcore tied to 15lb mono main line. At the tackle end the leadcore is then tied to a size 8 quick change swivel with a standard lead clip attached including rubber tail.
The problem I have is on a pick up the lead clip with lead always ends up by the mono knot 1 meter up the line which isn't ideal when playing a fish.
Is there anyway I can prevent this happening without a potential death rig? Seems like the lead clip is too loose around the swivel?
In reply to Post #1
Change brand to one with a peg
Change brand to one with a peg
In reply to Post #1
The lead clip is meant to stay with the swivel otherwise it won't release the lead. Allowing it to move on the lead core results in exactly what you are trying to avoid - a potential death rig. I suggest you go to a weighted tubing.
The lead clip is meant to stay with the swivel otherwise it won't release the lead. Allowing it to move on the lead core results in exactly what you are trying to avoid - a potential death rig. I suggest you go to a weighted tubing.
In reply to Post #1
Firstly you would be better off changing the type of lead clip you use for one that either attaches to your swivel via a locating pin or a leadclip that has a swivel built in so the leadclip cannot move away from your swivel, only the lead can eject if needed.
Secondly i wouldn't use a leadclip with leadcore as in the event of a line break the fish could still be trailing a length of leader plus line which could still become tethered
Firstly you would be better off changing the type of lead clip you use for one that either attaches to your swivel via a locating pin or a leadclip that has a swivel built in so the leadclip cannot move away from your swivel, only the lead can eject if needed.
Secondly i wouldn't use a leadclip with leadcore as in the event of a line break the fish could still be trailing a length of leader plus line which could still become tethered
In reply to Post #1
Is the leadclip 'clicking' into the swivel? if not thats the problem as the ring isn't sitting inside the clip housing properly.
If your tieing the swivel on to the leadcore and not splicing this will prevent the clicking sound as the knot will be too big to go inside properly.
if its still happening then as said try the peg ones, i presume your using a 'carp' brand size 8 swivel and not a rounder shape type as that might cause an issue too with it going in but popping out again as there ever so slightly smaller to 'click' in
Is the leadclip 'clicking' into the swivel? if not thats the problem as the ring isn't sitting inside the clip housing properly.
If your tieing the swivel on to the leadcore and not splicing this will prevent the clicking sound as the knot will be too big to go inside properly.
if its still happening then as said try the peg ones, i presume your using a 'carp' brand size 8 swivel and not a rounder shape type as that might cause an issue too with it going in but popping out again as there ever so slightly smaller to 'click' in
Thanks for all the replies,
Tubing is not the answer as there are bars and other potential snags in my water.
The rubber tail and clip effortlessly passes over my mono knot so it's not a real risk.
If anyone could post a link to a different lead clip type to be used with lead core that'll be great.
I could use chod's but prefer the standard setup.
Thanks
Tubing is not the answer as there are bars and other potential snags in my water.
The rubber tail and clip effortlessly passes over my mono knot so it's not a real risk.
If anyone could post a link to a different lead clip type to be used with lead core that'll be great.
I could use chod's but prefer the standard setup.
Thanks
In reply to Post #6
Fox
ESP adjustable
Pb products hit and run are just 3
Fox
ESP adjustable
Pb products hit and run are just 3
In reply to Post #1
I use a meter of leadcore tied to 15lb mono main line. At the tackle end the leadcore is then tied to a size 8 quick change swivel with a standard lead clip attached including rubber tail.
The problem I have is on a pick up the lead clip with lead always ends up by the mono knot 1 meter up the line which isn't ideal when playing a fish.
Is there anyway I can prevent this happening without a potential death rig? Seems like the lead clip is too loose around the swivel?
Secondly i wouldn't use a leadclip with leadcore as in the event of a line break the fish could still be trailing a length of leader plus line which could still become tethered
I'm with Woody, do NOT use a lead clip (or run ring) setup on leadcore. If you have a break off then the fish is trailing leadcore, even if the lead has ejected. Trailing leadcore can catch up on weed or any snags, leading to a tether rig.
If you have to use leadcore, the shortest length possible, with a helicopter set-up, but you must make sure that the rig can be ejected.
I use a meter of leadcore tied to 15lb mono main line. At the tackle end the leadcore is then tied to a size 8 quick change swivel with a standard lead clip attached including rubber tail.
The problem I have is on a pick up the lead clip with lead always ends up by the mono knot 1 meter up the line which isn't ideal when playing a fish.
Is there anyway I can prevent this happening without a potential death rig? Seems like the lead clip is too loose around the swivel?
Secondly i wouldn't use a leadclip with leadcore as in the event of a line break the fish could still be trailing a length of leader plus line which could still become tethered
I'm with Woody, do NOT use a lead clip (or run ring) setup on leadcore. If you have a break off then the fish is trailing leadcore, even if the lead has ejected. Trailing leadcore can catch up on weed or any snags, leading to a tether rig.
If you have to use leadcore, the shortest length possible, with a helicopter set-up, but you must make sure that the rig can be ejected.
In reply to Post #6
Leadcore can kink severely and the lead can also come through the weave which has the potential to impede the tubing and swivel sliding over the knot.
Leadcore and lead clips are a no-no - potential for snagging up is not a price the fish should pay. Not entirely risk free but a drop off inline lead would be much safer option.
Leadcore can kink severely and the lead can also come through the weave which has the potential to impede the tubing and swivel sliding over the knot.
Leadcore and lead clips are a no-no - potential for snagging up is not a price the fish should pay. Not entirely risk free but a drop off inline lead would be much safer option.
In reply to Post #1
Sounds like the swivel isnt chunky enough to be as tight as needed in the lead clip so its only lighly semi fixed.
This isnt an issue as i mostly fish like this when it isnt snaggy or weedy and there is no need to positively drop the lead.
If you want the lead clip to be a little tighter then take a small loop of mainline and pass through the top eye of the swivel that joins your leadcore and then as you pull the swivel into the clip you will then have two mono tag ends coming out of the lead clip alongside the swivel.
This will slightly tighten the swivel in the clip but then still allow it to release the swivel should the fish shake around too much. I find the lead clip moving away from the swivel helps prevent hook pulls.
Sounds like the swivel isnt chunky enough to be as tight as needed in the lead clip so its only lighly semi fixed.
This isnt an issue as i mostly fish like this when it isnt snaggy or weedy and there is no need to positively drop the lead.
If you want the lead clip to be a little tighter then take a small loop of mainline and pass through the top eye of the swivel that joins your leadcore and then as you pull the swivel into the clip you will then have two mono tag ends coming out of the lead clip alongside the swivel.
This will slightly tighten the swivel in the clip but then still allow it to release the swivel should the fish shake around too much. I find the lead clip moving away from the swivel helps prevent hook pulls.
In reply to Post #1
What you have described is a dangerous set up made double so by the use of leadcore.
This should never happen:
Alway use a clip that can be firmly attached to the swivel with a pin such as this one from Fox.
What you have described is a dangerous set up made double so by the use of leadcore.
This should never happen:
Alway use a clip that can be firmly attached to the swivel with a pin such as this one from Fox.
In reply to Post #12
This thread goes to show the misconceptions that still exist regarding what is a safe rig. Over the years there have been some horrors on here which some think are ok. The common denominators are always leadcore and leaders, methods that are often championed by the so called media stars of carp fishing.
This thread goes to show the misconceptions that still exist regarding what is a safe rig. Over the years there have been some horrors on here which some think are ok. The common denominators are always leadcore and leaders, methods that are often championed by the so called media stars of carp fishing.
Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.
My set up is not a potential death rig as the rubber tail with lead clip easily runs over my mono knot with the slightest resistance. As mentioned, lead core is a must on my water as there are too many obstacles in them.
I had a debate with an established lake owner about leadcore and he reckoned that it's safe to use if used properly and that if he'd tied 15lb mono to my ankles and ask me to swim out of a snag I wouldn't be able too...
So going back to the tackle end, it looks like the pin is fixed through the lead clip and swivel eye preventing the clip from moving at all? If that's the case, would the fish be able to lose the lead if broken up (rare occasion)?
I think I may go back to helicopter rigs maybe if I can't find a solution,
Thanks again
My set up is not a potential death rig as the rubber tail with lead clip easily runs over my mono knot with the slightest resistance. As mentioned, lead core is a must on my water as there are too many obstacles in them.
I had a debate with an established lake owner about leadcore and he reckoned that it's safe to use if used properly and that if he'd tied 15lb mono to my ankles and ask me to swim out of a snag I wouldn't be able too...
So going back to the tackle end, it looks like the pin is fixed through the lead clip and swivel eye preventing the clip from moving at all? If that's the case, would the fish be able to lose the lead if broken up (rare occasion)?
I think I may go back to helicopter rigs maybe if I can't find a solution,
Thanks again
In reply to Post #14
So going back to the tackle end, it looks like the pin is fixed through the lead clip and swivel eye preventing the clip from moving at all? If that's the case, would the fish be able to lose the lead if broken up (rare occasion)?
Yes and Yes mate, as long the tail rubber is not forced too far on then the leadwill come off easy enough or on the take should it need to
So going back to the tackle end, it looks like the pin is fixed through the lead clip and swivel eye preventing the clip from moving at all? If that's the case, would the fish be able to lose the lead if broken up (rare occasion)?
Yes and Yes mate, as long the tail rubber is not forced too far on then the leadwill come off easy enough or on the take should it need to