Evening all.
I'm looking for a simple milk protein recipe with minimal ingredients that addresses nutritional requirements.
I would also like suggestions for an ingredient in this mix that would bring coarseness and texture without adding fish ingredients as a lot of the birdfood ingredients i can find have contained fishmeal in some ratio or cod liver oil.
Thank you Beep.
I'm looking for a simple milk protein recipe with minimal ingredients that addresses nutritional requirements.
I would also like suggestions for an ingredient in this mix that would bring coarseness and texture without adding fish ingredients as a lot of the birdfood ingredients i can find have contained fishmeal in some ratio or cod liver oil.
Thank you Beep.
In reply to Post #1
Or some advice on this recipe:
20% acid casein
20% rennet casein
10% whey hydro
25% wpc 80
25% maize meal?
Any help appreciated, thanks.
Or some advice on this recipe:
20% acid casein
20% rennet casein
10% whey hydro
25% wpc 80
25% maize meal?
Any help appreciated, thanks.
In reply to Post #2
ToIt's been years since I have used a milk protein based bait but some things you might consider.
Back in the day we used to try to minimise the boiling time. To do this we added aboy 5% egg albumin to quickly skin the baits. I would reduce the wpc to include this.
For me the mix has no fatty ingredients and might be hard to roll, suggested ingredients are full fat soya four, nut meal or a calf milk replacer. I would reduce both the wpc and maize to make way for this.
Personally I would add a quality yeast product and some liver to vary the attraction signals from the bait and some spices to add taste, I used to use a tandoori masala ready mixed spices in milk protein baits, it seemed to work ok.
ToIt's been years since I have used a milk protein based bait but some things you might consider.
Back in the day we used to try to minimise the boiling time. To do this we added aboy 5% egg albumin to quickly skin the baits. I would reduce the wpc to include this.
For me the mix has no fatty ingredients and might be hard to roll, suggested ingredients are full fat soya four, nut meal or a calf milk replacer. I would reduce both the wpc and maize to make way for this.
Personally I would add a quality yeast product and some liver to vary the attraction signals from the bait and some spices to add taste, I used to use a tandoori masala ready mixed spices in milk protein baits, it seemed to work ok.
In reply to Post #2
That will end up boiling very hard with the casein and maize. Won't be that digestable either. I would add some birdfood and yeast and drop the maize.
As regards birdfoods without fishmeal, have a look at the Orlux range... There's a good site called Garden Feathers that sells some good feeds.
That will end up boiling very hard with the casein and maize. Won't be that digestable either. I would add some birdfood and yeast and drop the maize.
As regards birdfoods without fishmeal, have a look at the Orlux range... There's a good site called Garden Feathers that sells some good feeds.
In reply to Post #4
from Hutchy
20% lactalbumen
20% casienate
20 % soya isolate
40 % casein
or
40% casein
30 % lactalbumen
15% casienate
10% gluten
5% egg albumen
from Hutchy
20% lactalbumen
20% casienate
20 % soya isolate
40 % casein
or
40% casein
30 % lactalbumen
15% casienate
10% gluten
5% egg albumen
That's excellent thanks everyone I will make some adjustments and report back.
Had a rethink, what about something like this?
20% HT soya
20% Acid casein
20% WPC 80
20% Orlux gold patee birdfood
10% Whey hydro
10% Brocacel yeast
I've obviously dropped the rennet casein, would this be advisable or should I have half rennet, half acid?
20% HT soya
20% Acid casein
20% WPC 80
20% Orlux gold patee birdfood
10% Whey hydro
10% Brocacel yeast
I've obviously dropped the rennet casein, would this be advisable or should I have half rennet, half acid?
In reply to Post #5
10% gluten will make the baits like squash balls.
10% gluten will make the baits like squash balls.
In reply to Post #7
I think I would drop the soya by. 5% and replace with egg albumin otherwise think it's fine.
I think I would drop the soya by. 5% and replace with egg albumin otherwise think it's fine.
Much appreciated thanks all.
In reply to Post #7
Looks good. I don't like soya personally in baits, so I'd change to 10% each of semo and Lamlac, which will give a nice creamy taste.
Looks good. I don't like soya personally in baits, so I'd change to 10% each of semo and Lamlac, which will give a nice creamy taste.