I've had two different weighted leaders come undone recently. Both I've spliced with at least three inches inside itself, the i snot lead-core but the alternative a heavy braid. Should i have super glued this stuff? Fortunately I've not lost fish because of it, it's come undone when pulling weed off. Any help is gratefully accepted. Rich.
In reply to Post #1
For a 3” splice to slip, something is very wrong.
There should be no need to use glue, naming the brand may help with identifying problems.
For a 3” splice to slip, something is very wrong.
There should be no need to use glue, naming the brand may help with identifying problems.
In reply to Post #2
One was from Avid dropdown and the other from Gardner dropdown. I was using the new FOX twister needle but that shouldn't have any effect should it?
To be honest, never had proper lead core come undone, as you can all imagine it's very unsettling when it happens?
Rich.
One was from Avid dropdown and the other from Gardner dropdown. I was using the new FOX twister needle but that shouldn't have any effect should it?
To be honest, never had proper lead core come undone, as you can all imagine it's very unsettling when it happens?
Rich.
In reply to Post #4
They're highly respected brands, is it possible you were pulling on the leader where the splice begins when you were removing the weed? I have no other explanation.
They're highly respected brands, is it possible you were pulling on the leader where the splice begins when you were removing the weed? I have no other explanation.
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This used to happen a lot with the original solar contour, so myself and many on here around the time used a double splice.
Splice it leaving a long tag then leave 10mm or so and go through again.
I stopped using that type of leader so I don't know if newer versions are better
This used to happen a lot with the original solar contour, so myself and many on here around the time used a double splice.
Splice it leaving a long tag then leave 10mm or so and go through again.
I stopped using that type of leader so I don't know if newer versions are better
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Well, it's put me off using them now. I'll go back to the Korda plastic jobs with tungsten in them. Thanks all for your thoughts.
Rich.
Well, it's put me off using them now. I'll go back to the Korda plastic jobs with tungsten in them. Thanks all for your thoughts.
Rich.
Using glue actually weakens the splice as it stops it compressing on itself as much as unglued. If the splice is coming undone then the only way it can do so is if the "loop" end is pulled on the side that goes into the splice itself else it would constrict on itself and not come undone (at least a 2" splice should never come undone as it would tighten on itself until it broke!)
If you use a loop to loop knot then it shouldn't come undone unless you do something wrong by pulling the material like explained above, as the pressure is spread out across the material rather than a single point.
If you use a loop to loop knot then it shouldn't come undone unless you do something wrong by pulling the material like explained above, as the pressure is spread out across the material rather than a single point.
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Not necessarily as both companies could be using the same product, they all buy from limited sources.
I must admit I have had a couple of brands (ace and vardis) that have slipped on the splice but ever since ensuring that the splice was at least two inches I haven't had a problem.
Not necessarily as both companies could be using the same product, they all buy from limited sources.
I must admit I have had a couple of brands (ace and vardis) that have slipped on the splice but ever since ensuring that the splice was at least two inches I haven't had a problem.
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I find that uneven pressure, like pulling off weed, makes them "all" prone to slip, but i really like those leadless leaders so a bit of glue sorts that. I don't see them slipping with even pressure, so when drilling, just when you pull on the part that goes in and there is no pressure it does become undone. I tried blobbing the tag end as well, but that doesn't stop it.
I find that uneven pressure, like pulling off weed, makes them "all" prone to slip, but i really like those leadless leaders so a bit of glue sorts that. I don't see them slipping with even pressure, so when drilling, just when you pull on the part that goes in and there is no pressure it does become undone. I tried blobbing the tag end as well, but that doesn't stop it.
I have never had an unglued splice slip, but glued ones yes (on tests in a safe environment where if they did I could get the fish back).
Make sure you go down the splice at least the length of a sewing needle ( I use large eye sewing needles rather than tackle manufacturers splicing needles) and double check it. The splice compresses on itself, like a Chinese finger trap.
A glued one can't compress on itself, which is why they slip.
Make sure you go down the splice at least the length of a sewing needle ( I use large eye sewing needles rather than tackle manufacturers splicing needles) and double check it. The splice compresses on itself, like a Chinese finger trap.
A glued one can't compress on itself, which is why they slip.
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Burn the end very short before pulling the splice in, this creates a hard end at the leader which prevents it from slipping. The material doesn't melt, so do it very short. Been doing this for years after slipping problems . It prevents it from slipping when there is no pressure on the leader. That when its slips,not when its under pressure.
Burn the end very short before pulling the splice in, this creates a hard end at the leader which prevents it from slipping. The material doesn't melt, so do it very short. Been doing this for years after slipping problems . It prevents it from slipping when there is no pressure on the leader. That when its slips,not when its under pressure.
I blob and glue, haven't had one go in donkeys years 
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Yesterday I had one go out of the splice while setting up the rod. When I looked at the point where the loop to loop point was, I saw a loose end. It turned out the splice had come undone. I have almost 2 inch splices???
I wanted to make some new ones where I blob the end with a lighter and glue. Some of you mention that using glue makes it harder to compress, but what if I use superglue and immediately after glueing, I pull the tag ends taught? The it will settle compressed, right?
Yesterday I had one go out of the splice while setting up the rod. When I looked at the point where the loop to loop point was, I saw a loose end. It turned out the splice had come undone. I have almost 2 inch splices???
I wanted to make some new ones where I blob the end with a lighter and glue. Some of you mention that using glue makes it harder to compress, but what if I use superglue and immediately after glueing, I pull the tag ends taught? The it will settle compressed, right?
I have once had an unglued splice come apart, just as I was about to recast after landing a 20lber 
I always glued after that.
But now I don't...
I splice using a long splice and a small loop with no swivel on, and then pass the leadcore through the swivel eye and and then pass the other end of the swivel through the loop.
I also make sure the leadcore material comes back over itself as it sits on the swivel eye so it is pulling tight onto itself and I'm convinced that this will prevent any slipping.
The other end is joined to my mainline using a terry hearn knot, whatever it's called?
Its something similar to a needle knot.
I always glued after that.
But now I don't...
I splice using a long splice and a small loop with no swivel on, and then pass the leadcore through the swivel eye and and then pass the other end of the swivel through the loop.
I also make sure the leadcore material comes back over itself as it sits on the swivel eye so it is pulling tight onto itself and I'm convinced that this will prevent any slipping.
The other end is joined to my mainline using a terry hearn knot, whatever it's called?
Its something similar to a needle knot.
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Have you found any negative effects of gluing or is this way just easier for you?
Have you found any negative effects of gluing or is this way just easier for you?