In reply to Post #26
Please familiarise yourself with these facts!.
Weil's disease can be carried in water contaminated with rats' urine.
Weil's disease,is the acute human form of a bacterial infection with a raft of different names: mud fever, swamp fever, haemorrhagic jaundice, swineherd's disease, sewerman's flu. All are known as Leptospirosis, mild cases of which affect millions of people every year worldwide.
The infection is caught through contact with infected animal urine (mainly from rodents, cattle or pigs), generally in contaminated water, and typically enters the body through cuts or scrapes, or the lining of the nose, mouth, throat or eyes. Only a very few patients experience the severe, life-threatening illness known as Weil's disease, thought to kill two or three people a year in Britain.
After an incubation period that can vary from three days to three weeks, most patients suffer severe headaches, red eyes, muscle pains, fatigue, nausea and a temperature of 39C or above. In roughly a third of cases there is a skin rash; sometimes hallucinations.
In very severe cases, symptoms include haemorrhaging from the mouth, eyes and internally. There is significant and rapid organ damage: liver and kidney failure can occur within 10 days, leading to jaundice (these are the only cases that can properly be called Weil's disease). Hospitalisation, followed by antibiotics and often dialysis, will be required if the patient is to survive. Recovery can take months.
According to British Rowing, the risk of contracting Weil's disease from recreational water in the UK is "very small". Infection is logically more likely in slow-moving or stagnant water and areas where agriculture and rodents mix; lakes, ponds and canals are more likely to be contaminated than fast-running streams, although some activities – angling, for example, where minor cuts and nicks are common, and swimming, where some water will almost inevitably enter the mouth – could heighten exposure.
Anglers,Rowers and canoeists should cover all cuts and abrasions; avoid splashing themselves, or swallowing potentially contaminated water; wash their hands carefully and if possible shower afterwards; and wash all equipment and clothing regularly. Anyone experiencing flu-like symptoms after contact with fresh water should see their doctor immediately.
Please familiarise yourself with these facts!.
Weil's disease can be carried in water contaminated with rats' urine.
Weil's disease,is the acute human form of a bacterial infection with a raft of different names: mud fever, swamp fever, haemorrhagic jaundice, swineherd's disease, sewerman's flu. All are known as Leptospirosis, mild cases of which affect millions of people every year worldwide.
The infection is caught through contact with infected animal urine (mainly from rodents, cattle or pigs), generally in contaminated water, and typically enters the body through cuts or scrapes, or the lining of the nose, mouth, throat or eyes. Only a very few patients experience the severe, life-threatening illness known as Weil's disease, thought to kill two or three people a year in Britain.
After an incubation period that can vary from three days to three weeks, most patients suffer severe headaches, red eyes, muscle pains, fatigue, nausea and a temperature of 39C or above. In roughly a third of cases there is a skin rash; sometimes hallucinations.
In very severe cases, symptoms include haemorrhaging from the mouth, eyes and internally. There is significant and rapid organ damage: liver and kidney failure can occur within 10 days, leading to jaundice (these are the only cases that can properly be called Weil's disease). Hospitalisation, followed by antibiotics and often dialysis, will be required if the patient is to survive. Recovery can take months.
According to British Rowing, the risk of contracting Weil's disease from recreational water in the UK is "very small". Infection is logically more likely in slow-moving or stagnant water and areas where agriculture and rodents mix; lakes, ponds and canals are more likely to be contaminated than fast-running streams, although some activities – angling, for example, where minor cuts and nicks are common, and swimming, where some water will almost inevitably enter the mouth – could heighten exposure.
Anglers,Rowers and canoeists should cover all cuts and abrasions; avoid splashing themselves, or swallowing potentially contaminated water; wash their hands carefully and if possible shower afterwards; and wash all equipment and clothing regularly. Anyone experiencing flu-like symptoms after contact with fresh water should see their doctor immediately.
In reply to Post #34
Taken from medical texts....
Symptoms develop normally from 7 to 14 days after contact with the infection but they can develop in as little as three days or as long as 30 days
First Phase
The disease hits people suddenly, starting with flu like symptoms including muscle pain, nausea and a fever higher than 102 degrees F. Severe headaches also accompany the first phase, hitting suddenly with the pressure and pain of a migraine. In about one-third of all leptospirosis, the individual infected will develop a rash. This rash is similar in appearance to that which is caused by meningitis. It will appear red with a series of pin*****ed-shaped valleys.
The bacteria is alive in the bloodstream during this time period. In mild cases, the disease will be fought by white blood cells and kept at bay. In severe cases, the blood-borne bacteria could cause the body to go into septic shock.
The first phase will often last 3 to 5 days.
Second Phase
The second window of the disease does not open in mild cases. Typically restricted to moderate to severe cases of leptospirosis, a second phase will usually manifest itself after 2 to 3 days of apparent recovery. This second stage is usually more aggressive, with the return of the fever, headache and muscle pain, as well as pain in the upper torso and additional symptoms that mimic meningitis--neck stiffness, vomiting and kidney issues.
Mild cases will clear up completely in 3 to 5 weeks.
Signs of Severity
In more serious cases, people with leptospirosis can expect severe, and oftentimes, fatal, organ trauma. Jaundice will onset, indicative of liver and kidney failure. The bacteria will also cause infections in the heart and cause massive internal bleeding.
Individuals in poor health will see the disease onset and progress much quicker, with death an almost certainty.
Taken from medical texts....
Symptoms develop normally from 7 to 14 days after contact with the infection but they can develop in as little as three days or as long as 30 days
First Phase
The disease hits people suddenly, starting with flu like symptoms including muscle pain, nausea and a fever higher than 102 degrees F. Severe headaches also accompany the first phase, hitting suddenly with the pressure and pain of a migraine. In about one-third of all leptospirosis, the individual infected will develop a rash. This rash is similar in appearance to that which is caused by meningitis. It will appear red with a series of pin*****ed-shaped valleys.
The bacteria is alive in the bloodstream during this time period. In mild cases, the disease will be fought by white blood cells and kept at bay. In severe cases, the blood-borne bacteria could cause the body to go into septic shock.
The first phase will often last 3 to 5 days.
Second Phase
The second window of the disease does not open in mild cases. Typically restricted to moderate to severe cases of leptospirosis, a second phase will usually manifest itself after 2 to 3 days of apparent recovery. This second stage is usually more aggressive, with the return of the fever, headache and muscle pain, as well as pain in the upper torso and additional symptoms that mimic meningitis--neck stiffness, vomiting and kidney issues.
Mild cases will clear up completely in 3 to 5 weeks.
Signs of Severity
In more serious cases, people with leptospirosis can expect severe, and oftentimes, fatal, organ trauma. Jaundice will onset, indicative of liver and kidney failure. The bacteria will also cause infections in the heart and cause massive internal bleeding.
Individuals in poor health will see the disease onset and progress much quicker, with death an almost certainty.
after reading posts about rats and weils dieses, rabies, and all the other scum they carry, i was wondering if any else fishes rat infested lakes with open front brollys ????
In reply to Post #1
Yep! It's amazing what you see when not tucked in behind a bivvy door. They have no fear on a lake I fish. There aren't many but the ones that do appear just stand and stare at you from a few feet away. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use antibacterial gel on your hands. Especially if you're a smoker. Just keep up a routine of using it and shut your mouth when you reel in!
Yep! It's amazing what you see when not tucked in behind a bivvy door. They have no fear on a lake I fish. There aren't many but the ones that do appear just stand and stare at you from a few feet away. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use antibacterial gel on your hands. Especially if you're a smoker. Just keep up a routine of using it and shut your mouth when you reel in!
In reply to Post #2
I can remember the days when guys used to use lake water for making tea and even the bottle of white in the margins cooling off seems too risky
I can remember the days when guys used to use lake water for making tea and even the bottle of white in the margins cooling off seems too risky
In reply to Post #1
Yes
It may be hard to believe that rats can also walk through an open bivvy door
They can also chew through a fully colsed zipped up bivvy as well, so even using a fitted groundsheet and a zipped up door rats will get in if they want. They can chew through all sorts - a bit of nylon won't stop them
Edit, I regularly use lake water for brews, never got ill yet, I do get it to a rolling boil for a while before drinking it though.
Yes
It may be hard to believe that rats can also walk through an open bivvy door
They can also chew through a fully colsed zipped up bivvy as well, so even using a fitted groundsheet and a zipped up door rats will get in if they want. They can chew through all sorts - a bit of nylon won't stop them
Edit, I regularly use lake water for brews, never got ill yet, I do get it to a rolling boil for a while before drinking it though.
In reply to Post #1
i cant fish with a enclosed front feels like camping to me!
and i hate groundsheets!!
so yea always have an open front, never had any problems just dont leave food or bait out, as bream boy said if they want to get in they will get in even in your twin skinned double groundsheet bivvy!!
i use the lake water for washing the frying pan ect all the time never harmed me.
i cant fish with a enclosed front feels like camping to me!
and i hate groundsheets!!
so yea always have an open front, never had any problems just dont leave food or bait out, as bream boy said if they want to get in they will get in even in your twin skinned double groundsheet bivvy!!
i use the lake water for washing the frying pan ect all the time never harmed me.
In reply to Post #5
I never use a bivvy with a front, you miss so much otherwise. I fish Linear a lot and the rats there are scared of nothing. If you sensible and keep everything out the way and your rubbish hanging from a tree you shouldn't get bothered to bad but the things are everywhere. The worst thing is them running past all three hangers as if they know what they are doing at 3 o'clock in the morning (*******s)
I never use a bivvy with a front, you miss so much otherwise. I fish Linear a lot and the rats there are scared of nothing. If you sensible and keep everything out the way and your rubbish hanging from a tree you shouldn't get bothered to bad but the things are everywhere. The worst thing is them running past all three hangers as if they know what they are doing at 3 o'clock in the morning (*******s)
In reply to Post #6
I always take a couple of rat traps... cost me about 4 quid each... The bait area on them is perfect for a boilie and it somehow feels nice when you hear that special SNAP sound!! May not solve the problem immediately, but it gives me some pleasure.....
Just imagine if we all took a couple of traps....
I always take a couple of rat traps... cost me about 4 quid each... The bait area on them is perfect for a boilie and it somehow feels nice when you hear that special SNAP sound!! May not solve the problem immediately, but it gives me some pleasure.....
Just imagine if we all took a couple of traps....
maby not rats but mice cohh , woke up in the middle of the night in summer to a mouse walking over my bobbins , wich were on the floor 
i chased it of then it came back walking over a few tesco bags got me up again 
i chased it of then it came back walking over a few tesco bags got me up again
In reply to Post #1
after reading posts about rats and weils dieses, rabies, and all the other scum they carry, i was wondering if any else fishes rat infested lakes with open front brollys ????
i fish on the busiest dayticket in the northwest and with masses of people come massive plagues of rats. there's hundreds off them, great big dirty things
i fish under a brolley so im only acouple feet away and probs in some cases inches. they dont bother me but i just make sure i dont drop any bait, keep it in a sealed bucket and hang my bin bag in a tree. this definatly works as there only there to eat the mess that we make.
i guess they just move on from my swim, to the **** hole of a swim next one down
after reading posts about rats and weils dieses, rabies, and all the other scum they carry, i was wondering if any else fishes rat infested lakes with open front brollys ????
i fish on the busiest dayticket in the northwest and with masses of people come massive plagues of rats. there's hundreds off them, great big dirty things
i fish under a brolley so im only acouple feet away and probs in some cases inches. they dont bother me but i just make sure i dont drop any bait, keep it in a sealed bucket and hang my bin bag in a tree. this definatly works as there only there to eat the mess that we make.
i guess they just move on from my swim, to the **** hole of a swim next one down
In reply to Post #9
Vermin can be popped off with an airpistol.
I'm lucky that the places I fish have low populations of rats but my trusty Webley is always nearby.
Vermin can be popped off with an airpistol.
I'm lucky that the places I fish have low populations of rats but my trusty Webley is always nearby.
In reply to Post #7
I take a couple of traps as well and enjoy the sound of the snap
I take a couple of traps as well and enjoy the sound of the snap
In reply to Post #4
I watched somebody years ago at the little pit in Arlesey boiling a kettle of lake water and they had a dead duck in their swim! Bet you wouldn't drink it then!
I watched somebody years ago at the little pit in Arlesey boiling a kettle of lake water and they had a dead duck in their swim! Bet you wouldn't drink it then!
In reply to Post #7
may i ask what you do with the rats once killed in your?
i hope the answer is not chuck them in a nearby bush the smell in summer would be horrible
may i ask what you do with the rats once killed in your?
i hope the answer is not chuck them in a nearby bush the smell in summer would be horrible